OK - so DD11 started going to sleep away camp at age 10. She goes to horse camp for a week. But she always goes with friends - she wouldn't go if a friend couldn't go with her. We already have her signed up for this summer.
Now, Baby J will be 6 in May. She soooooo wants to go to sleepaway camp. She can't go to horse camp b/c you have to be 10. But there is a local camp here that does a "First Timers" session that is 3 days and 3 nights and includes all the normal camp stuff. She really wants to go, but there is no one I know that will also send their 6 year old, and she'd be going alone. She's ok with that. I'm not so sure. She really wants to go. I could be to the camp in about 15-20 minutes if I needed to. I'm torn.
Would you let your 6 year old go to sleepaway camp?
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No. I wouldn't. Not because I don't think my kid would have fun. But, because other adults nowadays are often untrustworthy. They dont' pay attention. They aren't watching your kid like you would. Is there water around? Would you feel safe with your kid around water who isn't really being supervised all that much? I think if you have to ask, then you already know the answer. Of course, millions of kids go to camp and nothing bad happens which i am sure Husker will be quick to point out. And, that is true. Most likely, nothing bad will happen.
No. I wouldn't. Not because I don't think my kid would have fun. But, because other adults nowadays are often untrustworthy. They dont' pay attention. They aren't watching your kid like you would. Is there water around? Would you feel safe with your kid around water who isn't really being supervised all that much? I think if you have to ask, then you already know the answer. Of course, millions of kids go to camp and nothing bad happens which i am sure Husker will be quick to point out. And, that is true. Most likely, nothing bad will happen.
The First Timers camp has the an extremely low camper to counselor ratio, and in all the time I've lived here, I've never heard of an accident at that camp.
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No. I wouldn't. Not because I don't think my kid would have fun. But, because other adults nowadays are often untrustworthy. They dont' pay attention. They aren't watching your kid like you would. Is there water around? Would you feel safe with your kid around water who isn't really being supervised all that much? I think if you have to ask, then you already know the answer. Of course, millions of kids go to camp and nothing bad happens which i am sure Husker will be quick to point out. And, that is true. Most likely, nothing bad will happen.
The First Timers camp has the an extremely low camper to counselor ratio, and in all the time I've lived here, I've never heard of an accident at that camp.
I know. It will probably be fine. But, as I said, i really don't trust other adults that much. One time, i was at Church and DD was in a different part of the church in an evening kids' Bible Study. I was in a classroom in another part of the church with a women's group. When i came out of the class, i found DD ALONE crying in the gym. The "teacher" let the class out and DD was young and didn't know where i was. And, she didnt' CARE enough to make sure my child was with anyone and just left. So, that is just one example.
No. I wouldn't. Not because I don't think my kid would have fun. But, because other adults nowadays are often untrustworthy. They dont' pay attention. They aren't watching your kid like you would. Is there water around? Would you feel safe with your kid around water who isn't really being supervised all that much? I think if you have to ask, then you already know the answer. Of course, millions of kids go to camp and nothing bad happens which i am sure Husker will be quick to point out. And, that is true. Most likely, nothing bad will happen.
The First Timers camp has the an extremely low camper to counselor ratio, and in all the time I've lived here, I've never heard of an accident at that camp.
I know. It will probably be fine. But, as I said, i really don't trust other adults that much. One time, i was at Church and DD was in a different part of the church in an evening kids' Bible Study. I was in a classroom in another part of the church with a women's group. When i came out of the class, i found DD ALONE crying in the gym. The "teacher" let the class out and DD was young and didn't know where i was. And, she didnt' CARE enough to make sure my child was with anyone and just left. So, that is just one example.
Yeah, I get that. But the teacher probably just figured the parent was in the church (not that it excuses her). At camp, they are the ones completely responsible.
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But if you can give a good answer to each of your questions, let her go.
Kids learn to be self sufficient and resilient with actual life experiences.
You said the camper to counselor ratio was low.
And you said the camp has a good record when it comes to accidents.
If the camp has a good reputation, it could be great for her.
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LL, I can't speak as a mom BUT I CAN say I admire Baby J's confidence and I agree with FWM - if in your place, I would let her go, especially considering how close the camp is in proximity.
Being 20 minutes away only matters if you're going to be dropping in unannounced to make sure everything is okay.
Did you teach her that, as part of water safety,
before she goes in the water (pool or, especially a lake) she has to make sure a lifeguard or counselor is watching her?
I don't know if anyone tells their child how to do this.
I went to overnight camp (10 night) with the YMCA at age 9, that was their cut-off. Ages 9 to 13, then age 14 as a junior counselor.
There were "incidents" where campers and/or counselors were WAY TOO unsupervised.
I don't think anyone died.
You might ask the camp to arrange a "meet and greet" for the 6 year olds and their parents, a week or two before camp starts, so the kids can start out with "friends".
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LL you are a highly responsible person and a professional. Non professionals making minimum wage may not have your level of vigilance.
But, obviously, I'm not with my child all the time. I trust people to watch her every day.
Exactly. Heck, many 6 year olds go to school. Do we keep them from that because we don't trust other adults? Absurd. And dont listen to any nonsense about teachers being trained to work with kids, blah, blah, blah... We have PLENTY of threads on horror stories about teachers and schools.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
No way I would send Bunny to an overnight camp. He is, shall we say, high maintenance. We can hardly get anyone to babysit for the evening.
You know baby J. Is this the kind of thing she can handle?
I went to Girl Scout camp every summer. Sleep away camp starting at age 7, I think?
The only "irresponsible" thing that ever happened was that I once got left behind at the camp while everyone else went on a night hike. I was reading a book in a corner and didn't notice everyone leaving.
After I realized they were all gone I just kept reading my book and didn't say anything when they all came back. No one noticed.
I would probably be upset if something like that happened to my child, but nothing bad happened and I didn't want to go on that bike anyway.
I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
But doesn't that defeat the purpose?
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
But doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Yes.
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DD11 went to this camp's day camp when she was 5 and loved it. We didn't do it again because the day camp's hours are not conducive to working parents. You can't drop off until 9 and have to pick up at 3:45.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If she wants to go and you feel like the camp is safe then I would let her go.
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
But doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Yes.
You're gonna be the mom sitting her car up the street from her daughter's house at night till the lights are out, aren't you?
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I sent my DD to sleep away camp the summer after first grade. It was a YMCA sponsored camp. She had an amazing time. I didn't think twice about it. She was eager to go and I sent her.
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
But doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Yes.
You're gonna be the mom sitting her car up the street from her daughter's house at night till the lights are out, aren't you?
Naaa. That would be past my bedtime. 6 is just so young. it's that age when the kid's can take separation bought some parent's can't.
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I'm not sure there are sleep away camps around here. I never looked into it. I guess I would be more worried about one of them getting sick. It seems every time they spend the night at grandma's they come home sick. So we don't do that much anymore.
I think as a mom the idea of my 6 year old at sleep away camp would be a rough one. If my kid really wanted to, and there was a reputable first timers camp in the area, I would probably agree. I would be a mess(on the inside), but I fostering that confidence and independence in my kid would be worth it.
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I would have a hard time allowing my 6YO go to an overnight camp. She wouldn't have an issue though. Is there maybe a shorter stint at the camp? Or could you be a counselor? You know so you are there watching over her?
LL said it's only 3 days and nights.
That sounds reasonable, to me, for first time campers.
I would sleep there each of the 3 nights!
But doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Yes.
You're gonna be the mom sitting her car up the street from her daughter's house at night till the lights are out, aren't you?
Naaa. That would be past my bedtime. 6 is just so young. it's that age when the kid's can take separation bought some parent's can't.
I'd say it's much more likely the helicopter parent can't take the separation from the kid.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I might even feel differently if the camp was several hours away--but at 15-20 minutes, if the child can't handle it, LL can easily get there if necessary.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I am very blessed to have 2 different sleep-away camps within 30 minutes of my house. Even when DD11 goes to camp, she's about 25 minutes away, and I have a friend that only lives 5 minutes away.
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I was a YMCA camp counsellor for a lot of years, and a camper for a lot of years (I was legacy - my Dad was a camper/counsellor before me) my brother started going at 7 and I was 10, but they took 6 year olds for 1 week stints. At 9 you did 2 wks. And this was outdoor adventure camp. Hiking, canoeing, backpacking, sleeping outdoors. It was fine. Everyone survived. And learned to cook on camp stoves.
Would I let my 6 year old go to sleepaway camp? Shucks, I am the mom that is asking her 11 yr old why he doesnt have a job and a plan to move out already! hahaha! Yea, I so would let my kid go. Prepare for a possible call in the middle of the night to come get crying kid, but yeah, I would be all over letting him go.
When I was six I went away to sleepover camp. For a whole week. My sister was on the other side of the camp with the "big girls" We were about two hours from my parents. The whole week I sobbed uncontrollably. I never wanted to go in the first place. They ended up taking me to my sister's tent at night so I would sleep. (She's older.) My sister couldn't wait to get away from our house and go to sleep away camp. She was begging to go. I do have to say that the next year I did fine at camp. I've always been one of those people that doesn't do change well. I think the second year when I knew what to expect it was much easier.
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OK - we went to the open house on Saturday at the camp and Jojo loved it! They are also building a new dining hall that will be air conditioned - seems the camp is getting a little soft.
The "First Timers" will actually sleep in the lodge rather than the cabins, which is closer to the office and the nurse, and gives them a bathroom attached right to their room so they don't have to worry about late night trips to the bath house.
She loved it, and I signed her up. My baby is going to sleep-away camp. Oh boy. Sigh.
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