TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Many past Popes behaved as if they were living in an Ivory Tower, with little connection to the lives of millions of Catholics. This pope is different, and I applaud that.

flan

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 Um, you do know the Vatican City has walls, right, and he isn't making a move to take those down.  

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 Already discussed upthread...

flan

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 Yet you insist he's not in an ivory tower--when, in fact, he is.  

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flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Many past Popes behaved as if they were living in an Ivory Tower, with little connection to the lives of millions of Catholics. This pope is different, and I applaud that.

flan

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 Um, you do know the Vatican City has walls, right, and he isn't making a move to take those down.  

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 Already discussed upthread...

flan

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 Yet you insist he's not in an ivory tower--when, in fact, he is.  

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 Because of his upbringing and the fact that he goes out among the people. And it's a metaphor, husker...the "Ivory Tower" bit.

flan

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I'm really surprised the deep left has not spoken out against the Pope making a political comment on OUR candidates.

Must be selective thinking about separation of church and state.

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Oh, the left is LOVING this.  In general, the left is FAR removed from any vestiges of Christianity--but they'll happily use a schism like this if it suits their purpose.  They'll proclaim loud and long how Trump must not be a Christian because the pope says so.  

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 And right on cue--our little marxist proves me right. 

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 Hahahahahaha!!!!!!! Did you have a doubt?

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I don't really care if Trump is a Christian or not. He's still a bloviating clown, regardless of his beliefs.

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Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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I'm really surprised the deep left has not spoken out against the Pope making a political comment on OUR candidates.

Must be selective thinking about separation of church and state.

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Oh, the left is LOVING this.  In general, the left is FAR removed from any vestiges of Christianity--but they'll happily use a schism like this if it suits their purpose.  They'll proclaim loud and long how Trump must not be a Christian because the pope says so.  

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 And right on cue--our little marxist proves me right. 

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 Hahahahahaha!!!!!!! Did you have a doubt?

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I don't really care if Trump is a Christian or not. He's still a bloviating clown, regardless of his beliefs.

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 So are a lot of people. Obama won that contest a long time ago. Your point?

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" Oh, the left is LOVING this.  In general, the left is FAR removed from any vestiges of Christianity--but they'll happily use a schism like this if it suits their purpose.  They'll proclaim loud and long how Trump must not be a Christian because the pope says so. "

Here's my point. Did you already forget? I don't care.

weltschmerz wrote:

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Oh, for Christ's sake!

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 Here's what I do:

1. Go outside

2. Find a brick wall

3. Beat your head against it.

~or~

Keep posting. Same difference.

flan

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weltschmerz wrote:

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I don't think you know what "Marxist" means. Clearly, it's not what you think it means.

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You mean "destroy the upper and middle class", then yup, we know what it means. 

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So I want to see the middle and upper classes destroyed?  How absurd! 

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Oh, for Christ's sake!

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 Alright?   So for the love of Muhammed's doinkey!

Just trying to keep things fair and balanced if u get to say that.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Why are you so angry?

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   I find it curious that self proclaimed atheists are the most angry people, especially at God whom they supposedly don't believe exists.  So they have a lot of anger when talking about religion or anything even remotely related.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Even though I am not Catholic--I do have a lot of respect for some of the Catholic traditions.

HOWEVER--how can Catholics seriously follow this guy? Defining whether one is a "Christian" by a political position? A position that, unlike abortion, the Catholic church has NEVER taken a stand on. That is ludicrous.

I'm sorely tempted to put something on facebook about it--but I know it will come across as being very negative towards Catholics and Catholicism (even though that would be intentional, I don't want to lose my Catholic friends)--but seriously, I'm going to talk with some of them about this. I just don't see how this is in any way justifiable.

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 The Catholic church has had a lot of ups and downs through the years.  It can be a wonderful organization and does a lot for the world.  That being said, this Pope has some very strange ideas about Christianity and the teachings of the Bible.

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   I personally have great respect for the Catholic Church.  They have been the strongest voice for the Unborn on the planet.  They feed and clothe the homeless.  There are many fine Catholic people and I really enjoy the Catholic traditions and the element of awe and reverence that they have in their services.  However, I  dont' believe in the "infallability" of the Pope.  The only infalliable person was Jesus Christ.  So, of course the Pope can comment on whatever he wishes to comment on.  But, i don't happen to agree.

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 Very well said!

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

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 What part of "the current Pope does not get to choose where he lives" is so hard to understand? And, as has been noted upthread, he is commenting on Trump's motivation, which he has every right to call "not Christian."

And, being raised Catholic, I would dispute the statement that he is "just a man." He is called Our Holy Father for a reason.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Pope is "the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

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 What part of "the current Pope does not get to choose where he lives" is so hard to understand? And, as has been noted upthread, he is commenting on Trump's motivation, which he has every right to call "not Christian."

And, being raised Catholic, I would dispute the statement that he is "just a man." He is called Our Holy Father for a reason.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Pope is "the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."

flan

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 Huh?  You aren't even Catholic anymore.  And, God Himself is the Holy Father.    Calling Priess "Father" does equate them with God.  However, i know there are some Catholics who subscribe to Papal Infallibility and that is fine.  But, are you now claiming to be a devout Catholic or something?  Sometimes you make no sense.

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

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 What part of "the current Pope does not get to choose where he lives" is so hard to understand? And, as has been noted upthread, he is commenting on Trump's motivation, which he has every right to call "not Christian."

And, being raised Catholic, I would dispute the statement that he is "just a man." He is called Our Holy Father for a reason.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Pope is "the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."

flan

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 There is only one Holy Father, and the Pope ain't it. 

 

 

 But I'll bet, as the head of the Catholic Church and Vatican City, he could order that wall taken down.

 

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 And YOU are not Catholic.

WHY would he defile a place that has such meaning to Catholics?

Background:

Some of the walls in Vatican City were built in the ninth century by Pope Leo IV in an attempt to protect it from attacks by pirates and other marauders, historians said. But other stretches of wall were built during the 15th and 16th centuries, Dr. Mannion said, less as a defensive measure and more as “a political and cultural statement” about the cultural and political power of the pope.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

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 What part of "the current Pope does not get to choose where he lives" is so hard to understand? And, as has been noted upthread, he is commenting on Trump's motivation, which he has every right to call "not Christian."

And, being raised Catholic, I would dispute the statement that he is "just a man." He is called Our Holy Father for a reason.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Pope is "the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."

flan

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 There is only one Holy Father, and the Pope ain't it. 

 

 

 But I'll bet, as the head of the Catholic Church and Vatican City, he could order that wall taken down.

 

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 And YOU are not Catholic.

WHY would he defile a place that has such meaning to Catholics?

Background:

Some of the walls in Vatican City were built in the ninth century by Pope Leo IV in an attempt to protect it from attacks by pirates and other marauders, historians said. But other stretches of wall were built during the 15th and 16th centuries, Dr. Mannion said, less as a defensive measure and more as “a political and cultural statement” about the cultural and political power of the pope.

flan

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 Because, according to him, walls are not Christian.

And when the Pope stops commenting on Christians that are not Catholic, I'll stop commenting on the Pope.  His ONLY authority is over Catholics - no other Christian or person need pay him any mind whatsoever. 

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Oh, the Pope most certainly can have that wall torn down, or at the very least, leave the gates opened, unarmed, and not require security checkpoints. And if he's so "Christian", then why isn't he letting these poor Syrian refugees camp out in the Sistine Chapel? Or why isn't he selling some of that invaluable artwork to fund Syrian housing and relocation?

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 Yep.  Priests and nuns take vows of poverty, and the Pope lives in a palace in a walled city surrounded by priceless works of art and travels the world with security and servants.  

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I have been to Vatican City. It is NOT all walled in. You can walk right into St Peter's square without any walls as a barrier. You can go right inside St Peter's Basilica - no walls. If you want to go inside the Vatican Museum, yes, there are walls around that. But to say there are walls around all of Vatican City is simply not true.

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 Thanks for the clarification. I believe cadiver said the same thing.

Interesting how facts get ignored if they don't fit the particular agenda..."Let's Crucify the Pope!"

flan

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 Oh brother.  Let the Drama Games begin!  One can disagree with the Pope's comments without a "crucifixition".   Get yer cray cray on!   

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 You know, I need to take notes on that.

Funny how non-believers are accused of "Christian-bashing," but it's fine to call the head of the Roman Catholic Church a "poophead..."

flan

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 The Pope is just a man, flan.  Nothing more.  And if any Christian came out claiming someone else was not a Christian for wanting to build a wall while living behind one, we would call him a lot worse. 

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 What part of "the current Pope does not get to choose where he lives" is so hard to understand? And, as has been noted upthread, he is commenting on Trump's motivation, which he has every right to call "not Christian."

And, being raised Catholic, I would dispute the statement that he is "just a man." He is called Our Holy Father for a reason.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

The Pope is "the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."

flan

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 There is only one Holy Father, and the Pope ain't it. 

 

 

 But I'll bet, as the head of the Catholic Church and Vatican City, he could order that wall taken down.

 

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 And YOU are not Catholic.

WHY would he defile a place that has such meaning to Catholics?

Background:

Some of the walls in Vatican City were built in the ninth century by Pope Leo IV in an attempt to protect it from attacks by pirates and other marauders, historians said. But other stretches of wall were built during the 15th and 16th centuries, Dr. Mannion said, less as a defensive measure and more as “a political and cultural statement” about the cultural and political power of the pope.

flan

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 Because, according to him, walls are not Christian.

 

And when the Pope stops commenting on Christians that are not Catholic, I'll stop commenting on the Pope.  His ONLY authority is over Catholics - no other Christian or person need pay him any mind whatsoever. 

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 This is really NOT rocket science.

He is referring to building a NEW wall & giving his opinion on Trump's motives, which MANY of us share.

Who said that you could not comment? Of course you can...but those who were raised Catholic have a different perspective.

flan

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 A person in his position with his influence is actually held to a higher standard than you and I.  He may certainly not voice his opinions on such matters that do not involve the Catholic Church.    But he did, in an attempt to influence his followers to vote differently.  Now, why didn't he say that Hillary or Bernie couldn't possibly be Christians because they are in favor of killing unborn children?   (No need to respond, the answer is obvious).