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My mother died this year and her passing brought to the foreground my thoughts about how different my life has been from hers and so many other women of her generation. Both my mother and my grandmother lived in ways that put family and their husbands' careers over their own dreams and ambitions. They are representative of women born in the early half of the 20th century who did not have the opportunities that women of my generation and those younger than me enjoy today. These women gave my generation, and those who came later, a chance to live our dreams and not have to choose between career and family. This is a luxury that middle class men have enjoyed for centuries -- to not be tied down in youth, to have time to explore the world, and to decide what their place in that world would be.

My mother, born in 1920, was never bound for college. That honor went to my uncle because my grandparents could only afford to send one child to college. Instead, my mother went to secretarial school, got a job in a textile company in Manhattan, married the boss' son and quickly found herself in the suburbs with three children, living the American dream. But it wasn't her dream.

My father's mother, on the other hand, graduated from Barnard College and attended one year of law school at NYU, dropping out to marry my grandfather. She too ended up in the suburbs with four children. She wrote children's books and played the oboe but she never did become a lawyer. 

I have to wonder, if my mother and grandmother had the opportunity to achieve higher education and follow their dreams, what would their lives have been like? 

Two major legal events gave women, like myself, the ability to be active in the workforce like never before - the 1964 passage of civil rights laws prohibiting discrimination against women and the 1973 Supreme Court decision recognizing the right to abortion. I can speak personally about how access to a safe and legal abortion allowed me to live the life I dreamed of. 

In 1973, the same year the landmark decision in Roe v. Wadelegalized abortion, I became pregnant at age 21. My relationship with my boyfriend at the time was unstable and I was just starting to figure out who I was and what I wanted to do. I could not have imagined becoming a parent at that point in my life. Thankfully, with the support of my parents, I was able to visit my trusted gynecologist and have an abortion. I knew this decision was the right choice for me. It gave me the same opportunity that middle class men have enjoyed for centuries -- to not be tied down in youth, to have time to explore the world, and to decide what my place in that world would be. 

The truth is, since then, I haven't given my abortion much thought. I went on with my life; I finished college, went on to graduate law school and became a successful lawyer. When I was emotionally and financially ready, I started a family and adopted two children. I have no regrets about the child I didn't have and find myself happy and satisfied with my life. I had advantages that women generations before me didn't have -- education, economic independence and, most importantly, I was able to exercise a right that until then wasn't available to women.

Unfortunately, women across the country are being denied access to safe and legal abortion over 40 years later. In Texas, an anti-choice law put in place barriers that force women to travel great distances to access care. The Supreme Court is reviewing the law in a case called Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt and the decision will impact the women of future generations to make their own decisions about their futures and families.

Forty-three years after my abortion, I happily joined more than 100 women lawyers who had abortions to sign on to a brief filed with the Supreme Court in support of preserving access to abortion care. I do not want the freedoms which allowed me to have the education and economic security I have enjoyed, and were fought for by strong women from generations before me, to become history.

Amy Oppenheimer is a lawyer 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-oppenheimer/still-grateful-for-my-abo_b_9237290.html



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"I have to wonder, if my mother and grandmother had the opportunity to achieve higher education and follow their dreams, what would their lives have been like? "

So, having a child prevents that HOW? So, is she saying mom should have aborted her to make all her dreams come true?

"She too ended up in the suburbs with four children. She wrote children's books and played the oboe but she never did become a lawyer. "

Maybe she WANTED to have kids and live in the suburbs and play the Oboe?


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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

"I have to wonder, if my mother and grandmother had the opportunity to achieve higher education and follow their dreams, what would their lives have been like? "

So, having a child prevents that HOW? So, is she saying mom should have aborted her to make all her dreams come true?

"She too ended up in the suburbs with four children. She wrote children's books and played the oboe but she never did become a lawyer. "

Maybe she WANTED to have kids and live in the suburbs and play the Oboe?


 The letter writer can make her OWN decisions, but NOT for anyone else.

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"I have to wonder, if my mother and grandmother had the opportunity to achieve higher education and follow their dreams, what would their lives have been like? "

So, having a child prevents that HOW? So, is she saying mom should have aborted her to make all her dreams come true?

"She too ended up in the suburbs with four children. She wrote children's books and played the oboe but she never did become a lawyer. "

Maybe she WANTED to have kids and live in the suburbs and play the Oboe?


 The letter writer can make her OWN decisions, but NOT for anyone else.

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 Except she DID make a decision for someone else.  Her own child.  



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Here is a reply to the article on the comment section:

"I know a girl, similiar situations but she came home from college, gave birth and put the child up for adoption. A whole 5 months of her life to allow a child a life and a family with a baby. She finished college, married with two children. "

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Oh good grief, so the right to spread her legs was more important then the life created by spreading her legs. She was 21 in 1973, birth control was available but to stupid to use it or to exercise self control. What a selfish twit.. Yippy skippy.
She must be extra special. If she had exercised self control, she would still have finished college. Yup, blame the baby for your choices then gloat about how wise you were.
I bet she had to adopt because the abortion was botched.

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There's one big assumption. That your life is literally OVER if you have a baby. That now you can't ever do anything, work, go to school or do anything. That's ridiculous.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Here is a reply to the article on the comment section:

"I know a girl, similiar situations but she came home from college, gave birth and put the child up for adoption. A whole 5 months of her life to allow a child a life and a family with a baby. She finished college, married with two children. "


 I'm confused.

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I reread the letter & it honestly seems more about the LW's bitterness that she didn't have the "opportunities" that men do.

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I know a young girl who actually had the baby, and is raising it, and has become a successful nurse.

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flan327 wrote:

I reread the letter & it honestly seems more about the LW's bitterness that she didn't have the "opportunities" that men do.

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 Yep.  The letter was about society's place for woman in the early part of the last century and the LW or AW made it about abortion.  Very misguided.



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And, she seems to assume only her life has value. That the lives of her mother and grandmother weren't as valuable or important as hers.

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I never understood how burning your bra and killing your unborn child made you more of a woman.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

And, she seems to assume only her life has value. That the lives of her mother and grandmother weren't as valuable or important as hers.


 This.



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I never understood how burning your bra and killing your unborn child made you more of a woman.


 Two vastly different issues...

I work in a profession that has been typically a "woman's" job. How many of you today DO NOT? And who do you have to thank for that?

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We have to thank women who had abortions?

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I work in a field that has traditionally been an "old boys' club." And I have myself to thank for that for working my buttocks off. On my way up, I have been groped, harassed, ridiculed, poo poo'd, etc. But I persevered. I do not see that burning bras or abortion entitlements did anything to help. If anything, I think feminists have made things more difficult.

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Honestly, as a female, i never felt "less than". I never felt like i couldn't achieve or that somehow life wasn't "fair". I studied hard, played sports and worked hard. BTW, i was the first female to play Boys' Little League sooooo maybe someone should thank me?

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Me either. Being a woman wasn't a handicap.

To me, it was empowering.


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FNW wrote:

I know a young girl who actually had the baby, and is raising it, and has become a successful nurse.


And....? I know a woman who had an abortion and has become a successful doctor. 



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I know a young girl who actually had the baby, and is raising it, and has become a successful nurse.


And....? I know a woman who had an abortion and has become a successful doctor. 


 And....I know a woman who had a baby who became a successful doctor too.  And, sooo......????

 

 



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I will never take "my body, my choice" seriously until those chanting it are as serious about birth control as they are abortion.

Prevention is so easy now.

Be responsible and don't get pregnant in the first place.



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I wouldnt go to a doctor that was that abortion happy. She wouldnt be in business ling around here...

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I wouldnt go to a doctor that was that abortion happy. She wouldnt be in business ling around here...


Thankfully, there are other places to work. 



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I wouldnt go to a doctor that was that abortion happy. She wouldnt be in business ling around here...


Thankfully, there are other places to work. 


 Not around here....inner cities maybe...



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So the LW was so selfish that she had an abortion instead of allowing her child to be born and adopted by someone who wanted a child. Then years later when it was convenient for her, she expected other mothers to give their babies up for adoption. no



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Oh the irony!

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I will never take "my body, my choice" seriously until those chanting it are as serious about birth control as they are abortion.

Prevention is so easy now.

Be responsible and don't get pregnant in the first place.


 Prevention was easy in 1973, too.  A lot easier than an abortion. 



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Not getting pregnant is so stupid easy.

At least for those who are not married.



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I will never take "my body, my choice" seriously until those chanting it are as serious about birth control as they are abortion.

Prevention is so easy now.

Be responsible and don't get pregnant in the first place.


 Prevention was easy in 1973, too.  A lot easier than an abortion. 


 Why is there never any notion about Don't have sex if you aren't ready to be responsible?   That's what we USED to teach.  If you have sex, there are actual potential consequences.  You want to roll the dice, then fine but then if you are grown up enough for sex, then you were considered grown up enough to live up to your Obligations and responsibilities in life.  



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Does she bother to look at her 2 kids and think what if those moms made the same choice?

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Not getting pregnant is so stupid easy.

At least for those who are not married.


 We've had this discussion many times before.

NOTHING except abstinence is 100% effective.

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Oh, another pointless meme.

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Not getting pregnant is so stupid easy.

At least for those who are not married.


 We've had this discussion many times before.

NOTHING except abstinence is 100% effective.

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 That's always the excuse.  So, all the millions of aborted babies are the result of people properly using birth control and it failing?  Yeah, right. 



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That's the point.

Don't want a baby, don't have sex.

Unless you are married, abstinence is ALWAYS a solid, viable and 100% effective way to NOT get pregnant.

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Not to mention all the millions that are the product of rape and incest.

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Not to mention all the millions that are the product of rape and incest.


 Which is untrue.  Rape and incest account for less than 1/2 of 1 percent of all abortions.



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Not to mention all the millions that are the product of rape and incest.


 Which is untrue.  Rape and incest account for less than 1/2 of 1 percent of all abortions.


 That was my point, too.



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Not to mention all the millions that are the product of rape and incest.


 Which is untrue.  Rape and incest account for less than 1/2 of 1 percent of all abortions.


 That was my point, too.


 Sorry, I couldnt tell if yiu were being sarcastic or not.



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Yes, we should teach abstinence....because everyone knows it works so well.



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It's isn't about teaching abstinence.

It's teaching self control, self worth and self respect.

And if a woman truly doesn't want a baby, she can absolutely choose not to have sex.

Unless she is married, she has 100% control over getting pregnant.

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It's isn't about teaching abstinence.

It's teaching self control, self worth and self respect.

And if a woman truly doesn't want a baby, she can absolutely choose not to have sex.

Unless she is married, she has 100% control over getting pregnant.


So abstinence.

 



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So self control is bad?

Let's weigh the options.

I do not want the responsibility of a baby.

Choices.

Have sex.

Have sex and use birth control, most birth control can be all but fool proof but there is still that chance.

Don't have sex. Don't get pregnant.

Options.

Don't have sex, don't get pregnant.

Have sex with or without birth control, possibly get pregnant.

Keep baby you didn't want to begin with and could have very easily avoided by not having sex.

Put the baby up for adoption.

Kill the baby with abortion.

One costs absolutely nothing.

One costs time, money and murder.

Too me, it seems if a woman really wants to claim "my body, my right" then start by using self control.

Not getting pregnant is the EASIEST thing in the world to accomplish.



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Let's embroider this on a sampler:

Not getting pregnant is the EASIEST thing in the world to accomplish.

Even on THIS board alone, how many unplanned pregnancies?

(And this is a rhetorical question)

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I agree with Lily. Not getting pregnant is easy. If you want to make the adult decision to have sex and you don't want to get pregnant, make the adult decision to use birth control. Multiple methods, if necessary. Use the pill, condoms, spermicide, a female condom ... all of it, simultaneously. No reason to murder a baby you couldn't be arsed to prevent having in the first place.

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flan327 wrote:

Let's embroider this on a sampler:

Not getting pregnant is the EASIEST thing in the world to accomplish.

Even on THIS board alone, how many unplanned pregnancies?

(And this is a rhetorical question)

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 So? Just because unplanned pregnancies happen doesn't mean Lily's point is invalid. Except for very rare circumstances (and not talking about fertility clinics and the like), it is impossible to get pregnant if you don't have sex.

DS was unplanned. Abortion never crossed my mind.



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