I don't disagree with abstinence working BUT, the problem is that you, GENERAL YOU, cannot impose your, GENERAL YOUR, values on a whole society. Unless you can get it legislated but then people still break the law.
When your, GENERAL YOUR, lack of personal values means the taxpayers have to support your children or you have to kill them, you've made it everybody's business.
-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 04:48:01 PM
So expecting a person to have self control is imposing?
Teaching our children that they are more than hormones and urges is imposing?
I don't know about anybody else, but I've taught my kids they are more than a piece of tail and anyone worth their time and affection will treat them with respect.
And that they are to treat others with the same respect they want to receive.
It's just incredibly sad to me that people don't have more self respect, self worth and self control.
Where in my post did I say 1. Abstinence was bad? 2. You shouldn't teach it? All I said is that it is a personal choice and you, general you, cannot force other people to live by your, general your, standards. I will add I am specifically speaking about other adults because children, those under 18 should really not be having sex. IMO but JMO.
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Still don't understand how it's imposing anything.
And if you are an adult, and you don't want a baby, and you still get pregnant, that's incredibly stupid.
It's so easy to not get pregnant.
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Who is talking about your genitals? I'm talking about not having sex if you don't want to get pregnant.
I think if you have sex indiscriminately you don't have a very good opinion of yourself.
If you have an abortion, you don't value life as much as you should.
I have a very good opinion of myself. I'm smart, I'm kind, I'm compassionate, I'm a great mom, a terrific nurse, etc.
I'm a good human being.
It has nothing to do with how much action my vagina has seen.
Maybe your self-worth and self-respect are tied up in your naughty bits, but mine isn't.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 06:42:11 PM
Yet you support abortion when prevention is so simple.
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Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
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Who is talking about your genitals? I'm talking about not having sex if you don't want to get pregnant.
I think if you have sex indiscriminately you don't have a very good opinion of yourself.
If you have an abortion, you don't value life as much as you should.
I have a very good opinion of myself. I'm smart, I'm kind, I'm compassionate, I'm a great mom, a terrific nurse, etc.
I'm a good human being.
It has nothing to do with how much action my vagina has seen.
Maybe your self-worth and self-respect are tied up in your naughty bits, but mine isn't.
-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 06:42:11 PM
Yet you support abortion when prevention is so simple.
Yes, I absolutely do.
Do you not see the complete lunacy in that?
Why not prevent the pregnancy?
Why not make THAT the moment to declare your rights as a woman?
I mean, it's possible to sew a thumb back on, but if you don't cut it off in the first place, you don't have to deal with the consequences.
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Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
You do realize, 04, that it IS possible to enjoy sex without being married? You can even be faithful to ONE partner.
But make a snide comment, because THAT will convince everyone.
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
You do realize, 04, that it IS possible to enjoy sex without being married? You can even be faithful to ONE partner.
But make a snide comment, because THAT will convince everyone.
flan
She has stated that she enjoys casual sex. With multiple partners. If she wants to be perceived like that, then more power to her. I will continue to think of her as she presents herself, which is far less than moral...
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Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
ROTFLMAO!! You forget Pierre and Jean Luc.
If you thank its cute that you are used, go ahead. I have more respect for myself than that. You are the one that is proving you are nothing more than your nether regions. Good for one thing, according to your description of yourself. Is it any wonder that you arent married?
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
You do realize, 04, that it IS possible to enjoy sex without being married? You can even be faithful to ONE partner.
But make a snide comment, because THAT will convince everyone.
flan
She has stated that she enjoys casual sex. With multiple partners. If she wants to be perceived like that, then more power to her. I will continue to think of her as she presents herself, which is far less than moral...
Yes, I take a lover from time to time. I don't want to get married again, so if you want to call that "casual sex with multiple partners", have at it.
I'm not going to stay celibate to please some bitter religious nuts.
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
ROTFLMAO!! You forget Pierre and Jean Luc.
If you thank its cute that you are used, go ahead. I have more respect for myself than that. You are the one that is proving you are nothing more than your nether regions. Good for one thing, according to your description of yourself. Is it any wonder that you arent married?
If everyone here who had premarital sex with more than one person before we got married weren't allowed to get married I can safely say the majority of us would not be married. I mean, if you want I could go dig up the when you lost your virginity thread and bring it here. I'd dare say most of us have had at least two sexual partners before we got married.
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Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
You do realize, 04, that it IS possible to enjoy sex without being married? You can even be faithful to ONE partner.
But make a snide comment, because THAT will convince everyone.
flan
She has stated that she enjoys casual sex. With multiple partners. If she wants to be perceived like that, then more power to her. I will continue to think of her as she presents herself, which is far less than moral...
Yes, I take a lover from time to time. I don't want to get married again, so if you want to call that "casual sex with multiple partners", have at it.
I'm not going to stay celibate to please some bitter religious nuts.
There are worse things to "pollute my body with".
Like alcohol.
Um, your "quote" is BS. When you quote, you are supposed to actually quote another person. You must have missed that in all your many classes. You should ask for a refund. Oh, I forgot, your education was free. That explains it...free is usually sub par.
Not wanting to get married and taking a lover...well there is a word, (well several words) for that. And all of them are less than honorable. But go right ahead. Opinions have been formed...
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
ROTFLMAO!! You forget Pierre and Jean Luc.
If you thank its cute that you are used, go ahead. I have more respect for myself than that. You are the one that is proving you are nothing more than your nether regions. Good for one thing, according to your description of yourself. Is it any wonder that you arent married?
If everyone here who had premarital sex with more than one person before we got married weren't allowed to get married I can safely say the majority of us would not be married. I mean, if you want I could go dig up the when you lost your virginity thread and bring it here. I'd dare say most of us have had at least two sexual partners before we got married.
Yes, but we grew up. And dont act like rutting animals...
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
You do realize, 04, that it IS possible to enjoy sex without being married? You can even be faithful to ONE partner.
But make a snide comment, because THAT will convince everyone.
flan
She has stated that she enjoys casual sex. With multiple partners. If she wants to be perceived like that, then more power to her. I will continue to think of her as she presents herself, which is far less than moral...
Yes, I take a lover from time to time. I don't want to get married again, so if you want to call that "casual sex with multiple partners", have at it.
I'm not going to stay celibate to please some bitter religious nuts.
There are worse things to "pollute my body with".
Like alcohol.
Um, your "quote" is BS. When you quote, you are supposed to actually quote another person. You must have missed that in all your many classes. You should ask for a refund. Oh, I forgot, your education was free. That explains it...free is usually sub par.
Not wanting to get married and taking a lover...well there is a word, (well several words) for that. And all of them are less than honorable. But go right ahead. Opinions have been formed...
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
Jesus, Lighten up! Never seen SNL?
Ligthen up about what? Killing babies? Feel free to toss in a few Holocaust jokes too. Hysterical.
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
What the hell are you babbling about NOW??
I'm supporting myself just fine. Where did you get such a supid idea? Ah, let me guess. LGS has been spresding lies about me in PMs and you believed her.
Exactly! I think I'm fabulous, and it has nothing to do with my nether regions.
I like me.
Evidently, since you are willing to pervert your body with every Tom Dick and Harry that makes your nether regions feel good. Thats not something to be proud of...
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
Jesus, Lighten up! Never seen SNL?
Ligthen up about what? Killing babies? Feel free to toss in a few Holocaust jokes too. Hysterical.
I think The Church Lady is hilarious. Always loved those skits.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
What the hell are you babbling about NOW??
I'm supporting myself just fine. Where did you get such a supid idea? Ah, let me guess. LGS has been spresding lies about me in PMs and you believed her.
Figures.
Nah, you just haven't figured out who I am yet...
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
It.Was.A.Joke.
She CHOOSES to enjoy sex.
She DOES support herself.
flan
And you know this how?????
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America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome...
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
What the hell are you babbling about NOW??
I'm supporting myself just fine. Where did you get such a supid idea? Ah, let me guess. LGS has been spresding lies about me in PMs and you believed her.
Figures.
WTF? Get over yourself. You aren't that interesting that i would want to bother to talk about you in a PM. Sorry you are a Narcissist but i simply don't care that much about you to waste my time. Thanks so much!
I don't get the fascination with Welts and her life.
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Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
It.Was.A.Joke.
She CHOOSES to enjoy sex.
She DOES support herself.
flan
Again - you have an issue with what a joke is.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Careful now, don't want to get that logic and common sense on others.
Don't worry...
Many of us actually can think for ourselves. It worked for 04. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone woman everywhere...
flan
It absolutely would work for anyone. I did nothing special. I dont even have a HS degree...
I disagree. Not everyone is that strong.
flan
The LW is definitely not one of those...
I would need to reread the OP. Just last night on the mom page I post on there was a lady who was a newly single mom. She was struggling, afraid, scared, and down in the dumps. She was asking other single mom's how they did it. We all shared our experiences with her and after we did she said she just sat down and had a good cry and then felt better. She thanked us all for giving her some encouragement. Sometimes people just can't see the forest for the trees.
It is hard enough being a mom when you are married but much harder when you are raising the kids alone. Glad she found a support group/outlet that understands what she is going through and give her encouragement she needs.
It is hard enough being a mom when you are married but much harder when you are raising the kids alone. Glad she found a support group/outlet that understands what she is going through and give her encouragement she needs.
A long time ago I worked in a crisis pregnancy center. I learned one thing. That first moment when you find out when you are NOT ready to become a parent is overwhelming. It's pure panic. I know a lot of people disagree with me but if you make women take time to think about it a large percentage of the time they move from pure panic to I can handle this. But having experienced an unplanned pregnancy I DO understand the feeling of sheer terror that comes with it.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Not my fault! Someone led me astray! Could it be....
SATAN??
"Not my fault". (BTW, that's how you quote).
Typical liberal response. Nothing is your fault. You can't control primal urges, not your fault. Can't keep your legs together, not your fault. Can't support yourself with a bum arm, not your fault.
Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your life.
It is hard enough being a mom when you are married but much harder when you are raising the kids alone. Glad she found a support group/outlet that understands what she is going through and give her encouragement she needs.
A long time ago I worked in a crisis pregnancy center. I learned one thing. That first moment when you find out when you are NOT ready to become a parent is overwhelming. It's pure panic. I know a lot of people disagree with me but if you make women take time to think about it a large percentage of the time they move from pure panic to I can handle this. But having experienced an unplanned pregnancy I DO understand the feeling of sheer terror that comes with it.
It is good they had a center like the crisis pregnancy center to call. You can't think when your mind is in shock.
It is hard enough being a mom when you are married but much harder when you are raising the kids alone. Glad she found a support group/outlet that understands what she is going through and give her encouragement she needs.
A long time ago I worked in a crisis pregnancy center. I learned one thing. That first moment when you find out when you are NOT ready to become a parent is overwhelming. It's pure panic. I know a lot of people disagree with me but if you make women take time to think about it a large percentage of the time they move from pure panic to I can handle this. But having experienced an unplanned pregnancy I DO understand the feeling of sheer terror that comes with it.
It is good they had a center like the crisis pregnancy center to call. You can't think when your mind is in shock.
Well, I can share my story but it's only mine. Not everyone else's. I had been married for six years and already had two kids. A boy and a girl. I didn't need anymore and didn't want anymore. My marriage was falling apart. Merely hanging on by a mere thread. Literally. We had been on again off again for the last two years. I absolutely DID NOT need to bring a baby into the mix. I was under stress and had just had a boulder fall on my ankle. I lost three days of my life to pain pills and muscle relaxers. I had x-rays. When they asked me I told them there was NO WAY I could be pregnant. My BFF at the time said I should do a test because something just looked like I was pregnant. So I went up to work and did a test. I'm not even sure the urine hit the test before it became positive. I figured the test was defective so I did another one. Nope, I was pregnant. Five and a half months. I cried and cried and cried. This was NOT a situation to bring a child into. But abortion wasn't the answer for me. I had a really hard time finding a doctor. Most of them wanted me to abort. It was tough. And my ex ended up leaving me for good when he was ten days old so it didn't have some happy ending. I don't regret my decision one bit but it's hard for me to sit in judgment and call other people names. I just can't do it. I remember being so afraid and in shock. And knowing, in my heart of hearts, I WAS truly alone in the sense that I was having a baby without a partner.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
It is hard enough being a mom when you are married but much harder when you are raising the kids alone. Glad she found a support group/outlet that understands what she is going through and give her encouragement she needs.
A long time ago I worked in a crisis pregnancy center. I learned one thing. That first moment when you find out when you are NOT ready to become a parent is overwhelming. It's pure panic. I know a lot of people disagree with me but if you make women take time to think about it a large percentage of the time they move from pure panic to I can handle this. But having experienced an unplanned pregnancy I DO understand the feeling of sheer terror that comes with it.
It is good they had a center like the crisis pregnancy center to call. You can't think when your mind is in shock.
Well, I can share my story but it's only mine. Not everyone else's. I had been married for six years and already had two kids. A boy and a girl. I didn't need anymore and didn't want anymore. My marriage was falling apart. Merely hanging on by a mere thread. Literally. We had been on again off again for the last two years. I absolutely DID NOT need to bring a baby into the mix. I was under stress and had just had a boulder fall on my ankle. I lost three days of my life to pain pills and muscle relaxers. I had x-rays. When they asked me I told them there was NO WAY I could be pregnant. My BFF at the time said I should do a test because something just looked like I was pregnant. So I went up to work and did a test. I'm not even sure the urine hit the test before it became positive. I figured the test was defective so I did another one. Nope, I was pregnant. Five and a half months. I cried and cried and cried. This was NOT a situation to bring a child into. But abortion wasn't the answer for me. I had a really hard time finding a doctor. Most of them wanted me to abort. It was tough. And my ex ended up leaving me for good when he was ten days old so it didn't have some happy ending. I don't regret my decision one bit but it's hard for me to sit in judgment and call other people names. I just can't do it. I remember being so afraid and in shock. And knowing, in my heart of hearts, I WAS truly alone in the sense that I was having a baby without a partner.
NJN, Obviously that was a hard and tramatic time for you. I can't even imagine how hard that was to raise 3 babies alone. You must have been a strong mature young woman.