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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

RE: Healthcare Options

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
If you are of the Faith in which you don't believe in blood transfusions, why would you expect the church affiliated insurance to cover it?

If your Faith doesn't believe in BC, then your church affiliated insurance would not be expected to cover it.

I don't understand the disconnect in thinking it would.

And I don't think you should have to pay for services you don't believe in nor use.

I brought it up because I've seen 3-4 young mothers around here, who aren't religious, use it for a health care option. It's becoming more prevalent. This is not supposed to be a BC/abortion debate. I just wanted to see what people thought about this and whether they though it was a good idea or bad. I don't think everything thinks long term when they sign up.

So if you go into a vegan bakery, do expect to find bacon?

No.

If you buy into a church insurance program, you shouldn't expect it to cover things against its Faith.

Simple common sense.

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
NJN, your MIL had her hysterectomy paid for, but she's older and doesn't need her bits anymore.
What if it's a younger woman who was told she absolutely must not get pregnant because her life would be in danger or she'd pass on some horrific disease? She absolutely needs a hysterectomy or having her tubes tied.
I can see the church saying it's birth control and refusing to pay, so she'd have to pay out of pocket.
Maybe biblically-based health insurance is not such a good idea.
Again, another good question to ask. I don't know how that would work. And I really was hoping this wouldn't turn into an abortion/BC let's call more names game.

And yet, YOU were the very first one to even mention BC or abortion...

If you dont want to discuss it, dont bring it up....

FNW · Guru

This reminds me of when my friend ordered a Philly Cheesesteak (at Veteran's Stadium) and asked for it without cheese. The vendor looked at her like she was crazy.

Sorry for the hijack. Carry on.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

As Welts said, and I don't care if you hate her, where do you draw the line with religious insurance. What IF the church decides they won't cover your hysterectomy? What if your insurance believes that the babies life is worth more than your life and your doctor tells you if you get pregnant again you will die? Sure it's easy to say self control but even married people have accidents. I know that makes them slvts and all but what if? What is the point of having this insurance if the church gets to decide what procedure is important or not?

Ohfour · Hooker

If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...

Tinydancer · Guru

If that's a worry for you (general you) then don't get religious insurance. It's not like you're forced to. Geeeez it really is that simple.

Tinydancer · Guru

Jinx!

Ohfour · Hooker

Tinydancer wrote:
Jinx!

Hahaha! The word for the day is GEEZ!!!!!!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I actually have no problem with this insurance. If people want to get it then that's great. I DO NOT think it should be an option on the healthcare exchange. I do have an issue with that.

LOL Not having sex ever with your husband. Are you ed's wife?

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I actually have no problem with this insurance. If people want to get it then that's great. I DO NOT think it should be an option on the healthcare exchange. I do have an issue with that.

LOL Not having sex ever with your husband. Are you ed's wife?

If we knew it would kill me...yeah, we have other ways to be intimate.

The fact that you cant grasp that speaks volumes.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...

Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
As Welts said, and I don't care if you hate her, where do you draw the line with religious insurance. What IF the church decides they won't cover your hysterectomy? What if your insurance believes that the babies life is worth more than your life and your doctor tells you if you get pregnant again you will die? Sure it's easy to say self control but even married people have accidents. I know that makes them slvts and all but what if? What is the point of having this insurance if the church gets to decide what procedure is important or not?

You want separation of church and state.

Well, don't expect the CHURCH to offer the exact same insurance as the STATE.

It's seperate.

One has nothing to do with the other.

But what you want is for the church to fall in line an do what the state does.

So you really only want what you want.

IF you are going to choose to use one thing, you can't expect to get another.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.

My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you with your myriad of, ahem, "lovers", but I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
As Welts said, and I don't care if you hate her, where do you draw the line with religious insurance. What IF the church decides they won't cover your hysterectomy? What if your insurance believes that the babies life is worth more than your life and your doctor tells you if you get pregnant again you will die? Sure it's easy to say self control but even married people have accidents. I know that makes them slvts and all but what if? What is the point of having this insurance if the church gets to decide what procedure is important or not?
You want separation of church and state.
Well, don't expect the CHURCH to offer the exact same insurance as the STATE.
It's seperate.
One has nothing to do with the other.
But what you want is for the church to fall in line an do what the state does.
So you really only want what you want.
IF you are going to choose to use one thing, you can't expect to get another.

Right? She wants separation, yet has a fit when there is. I dont know what happened...

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
NJN, your MIL had her hysterectomy paid for, but she's older and doesn't need her bits anymore.
What if it's a younger woman who was told she absolutely must not get pregnant because her life would be in danger or she'd pass on some horrific disease? She absolutely needs a hysterectomy or having her tubes tied.
I can see the church saying it's birth control and refusing to pay, so she'd have to pay out of pocket.
Maybe biblically-based health insurance is not such a good idea.

Then don't choose that insurance provider. this is NOT an employer paid program. People who buy this plan CHOOSE to do so knowing full well what it covers and doesn't.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:05:20 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
As Welts said, and I don't care if you hate her, where do you draw the line with religious insurance. What IF the church decides they won't cover your hysterectomy? What if your insurance believes that the babies life is worth more than your life and your doctor tells you if you get pregnant again you will die? Sure it's easy to say self control but even married people have accidents. I know that makes them slvts and all but what if? What is the point of having this insurance if the church gets to decide what procedure is important or not?
You want separation of church and state.
Well, don't expect the CHURCH to offer the exact same insurance as the STATE.
It's seperate.
One has nothing to do with the other.
But what you want is for the church to fall in line an do what the state does.
So you really only want what you want.
IF you are going to choose to use one thing, you can't expect to get another.
Right? She wants separation, yet has a fit when there is. I dont know what happened...

No, my issue is not with the insurance but that it is offered as a government plan. You can go on the exchange to purchase it. I am perfectly fine with churches offering insurance. I don't believe the government should be endorsing it.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
As Welts said, and I don't care if you hate her, where do you draw the line with religious insurance. What IF the church decides they won't cover your hysterectomy? What if your insurance believes that the babies life is worth more than your life and your doctor tells you if you get pregnant again you will die? Sure it's easy to say self control but even married people have accidents. I know that makes them slvts and all but what if? What is the point of having this insurance if the church gets to decide what procedure is important or not?
You want separation of church and state.
Well, don't expect the CHURCH to offer the exact same insurance as the STATE.
It's seperate.
One has nothing to do with the other.
But what you want is for the church to fall in line an do what the state does.
So you really only want what you want.
IF you are going to choose to use one thing, you can't expect to get another.
Right? She wants separation, yet has a fit when there is. I dont know what happened...
No, my issue is not with the insurance but that it is offered as a government plan. You can go on the exchange to purchase it. I am perfectly fine with churches offering insurance. I don't believe the government should be endorsing it.

They aren't. They aren't requiring you to choose that plan, or even advocating for it. It is part of the exchange so that people can have a choice--and for some, it may be a good one.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

A church based program should not be part of a government based system.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A church based program should not be part of a government based system.

Why not? What difference does it make? You have the choice to choose that plan--or not.

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A church based program should not be part of a government based system.

And the government should not make churches go against the tenets of an established religion. See how that works?

Tinydancer · Guru

Why not? It's a health plan and that particular government based system is for health insurance. That makes no sense.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

It's a health option and it's NOT a government based system. It's a religious based system.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A church based program should not be part of a government based system.
Why not? What difference does it make? You have the choice to choose that plan--or not.

I have no problem with the church offering it. It shouldn't be on a government forced system.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A church based program should not be part of a government based system.
And the government should not make churches go against the tenets of an established religion. See how that works?

No they shouldn't. That's why the two need to stay separate. You just pointed out my whole argument.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
It's a health option and it's NOT a government based system. It's a religious based system.

??? You just said it was a government based system. Do I need to go back and quote it?

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A church based program should not be part of a government based system.
Why not? What difference does it make? You have the choice to choose that plan--or not.
I have no problem with the church offering it. It shouldn't be on a government forced system.

No one is forced to buy a specific plan so that is really BS.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM

Of course you are!

Now pull the other leg.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
It's a health option and it's NOT a government based system. It's a religious based system.
??? You just said it was a government based system. Do I need to go back and quote it?

I SAID it is a faith based program, supported by a church, offered on the government healthcare exchange. My belief is that a faith based program should not be on a government forced system. And yes, it IS forced. If you don't pick a plan off the system you are penalized and fined at the end of the year.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.

Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
It's a health option and it's NOT a government based system. It's a religious based system.
??? You just said it was a government based system. Do I need to go back and quote it?
I SAID it is a faith based program, supported by a church, offered on the government healthcare exchange. My belief is that a faith based program should not be on a government forced system. And yes, it IS forced. If you don't pick a plan off the system you are penalized and fined at the end of the year.

Then dont pick it! Its REALLY not that hard...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.
Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.

Everyone does wrong. Is he delusional?

huskerbb · Guru

I would die without sex.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
I would die without sex.

If it meant your wife would die, wouldn't be man enough to abstain?

I would like to think so.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.
Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.

So her adores you, thinks you can do absolutely no wrong and is willing to be neutered.

Are you sure you're not married to a German Shepherd?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Funny how this has gone from being responsible for yourself to insulting the husband of a board member.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I actually have no problem with this insurance. If people want to get it then that's great. I DO NOT think it should be an option on the healthcare exchange. I do have an issue with that.

LOL Not having sex ever with your husband. Are you ed's wife?

That was just mean and uncalled for.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.
Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.

This is true, although she keeps trying... biggrin

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Funny how this has gone from being responsible for yourself to insulting the husband of a board member.

Funny how there's not a peep out of you when people mock my education, call me a wh0re and a liar and tell me I have no nursing degree.

Am I not a board member? It's OK to insult ne?

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.
Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.
So her adores you, thinks you can do absolutely no wrong and is willing to be neutered.
Are you sure you're not married to a German Shepherd?

Awww? I sense a bit of jealousy...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Funny how this has gone from being responsible for yourself to insulting the husband of a board member.

Funny how there's not a peep out of you when people mock my education, call me a wh0re and a liar and tell me I have no nursing degree.
Am I not a board member? It's OK to insult ne?

I do not doubt you have a nursing degree.

It's the psych degree that is in question. After all, you do exhibit a lot of animosity and engage in a lot of bullying behavior.

No one called you a whore. You jumped to that conclusion after stating you have multiple partners and can't control your "urges".

If the label "liar" applies, well, that's your own doing.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Funny how this has gone from being responsible for yourself to insulting the husband of a board member.

Funny how there's not a peep out of you when people mock my education, call me a wh0re and a liar and tell me I have no nursing degree.
Am I not a board member? It's OK to insult ne?
I do not doubt you have a nursing degree.
It's the psych degree that is in question. After all, you do exhibit a lot of animosity and engage in a lot of bullying behavior.
No one called you a whore. You jumped to that conclusion after stating you have multiple partners and can't control your "urges".
If the label "liar" applies, well, that's your own doing.

Read OhFour's posts and get back to me.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I have.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

NAOW wrote:
Sounds risky to me. I mean, I would need to really trust the church I was counting on to do this.

You don't have to do it with one church, there are actually large group plans for this backed by millions of dollars.

Why do it?

It allows you to go to any doctor any time.

It allows you to negotiate a cash discount.

It allows you to be exempt from the Obamacare tax penalty while still not making you go with an insurance company or exchange you don't like.

It makes sure your money won't be used for things you find morally objectionable.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
I would die without sex.

I realize men think this, but it's actually not true.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I actually have no problem with this insurance. If people want to get it then that's great. I DO NOT think it should be an option on the healthcare exchange. I do have an issue with that.

LOL Not having sex ever with your husband. Are you ed's wife?

So you think they should be able to pay into this but then also get penalized for doing so?

Ohfour · Hooker

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
If one is worried about that, they need to look for another option. No one is forcing them to purchase THIS insurance.
And if my doctor told me i would die if i got pregnant, i wouldnt have sex. You dont have to have sex to live...geez...
Lol! I'm sure your hubby will have no problem with that.
My husband cares more about my life than sex. I know thats foreign to you w but ith your myriad of, ahem, "lovers",I'm married to a man that believes I can do no wrong. He would not risk my life to get his rocks off...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 25th of February 2016 03:02:12 PM
Of course you are!
Now pull the other leg.
Several posters here know him well. I really can do no wrong.
This is true, although she keeps trying...

Lol! Except when we were singing in the back of the limo...i think he got a little perturbed. But then he made sure we were tucked away and the last thing he said to me was, "did you have fun 04? Because that makes me happy." (And yes, he DOES call me 04)

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I would die without sex.
If it meant your wife would die, wouldn't be man enough to abstain?
I would like to think so.

Getting pregnant and sex are two different things. It's RIDICULOUS to assume that you shouldn't have sex because you shouldn't get pregnant--especially when you are married. Get sterilized.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know Husker. But if you had to wait long enough to save up for the sterilization, you would.

That's what makes us better than animals, the ability to control our desires.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I would die without sex.
- huskerbb

I realize men think this, but it's actually not true.
- Lawyerlady

_________________________________

I realize women think that it's not true, but it actually is. ;)

Two relatively large studies of this question, reported in 2003 and 2004, yielded good news for sexually active men: high ejaculation frequency seemed to protect against prostate cancer. (www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/does-frequent-ejaculation-help-ward-off-prostate-cancer)

OMG, I've found something I agree with huskerbb on!