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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Law student who graduated top of her class sues former school after failing to find long-term employment within TEN YEAR

huskerbb · Guru

She turned it down. That's her fault.

Sometimes--it's just you.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Yes, she should lose this one. She could have gotten a job. That's the problem with today's grads, they think they should be able to walk out of school making top dollar. You have to WORK for it. She could have taken that job, worked hard for 2 years, and then gotten a better job.

Now, had she never gotten an offer, and they lied about placement rates, then MAYBE she'd have a case.

ed11563 · Guru

I'm not one of today's grads, I do vividly remember searching for a decent job with decent pay. It can be a real challenge.

When I was job hunting, there were times when someone offered me a crap job with lousy pay (but including medical coverage), and if it was better than the situation I was in, I would take it. But still keep looking.

I had one job for 2 weeks, got them some new business and solved some long-standing customer complaints ..

then was offered a much better position.

Being employed is better than being unemployed.

(Unless the employer is verbally and/or physically abusive.)

FNW · Guru

The legal industry tanked about the time I graduated so I chose to work for the federal government. Best thing I did for myself. Yes, it required relocating 3000 miles, but it was good for me.

Sometimes you don't always get the job of your dreams, and sometimes that's a good thing.

burns07 · Guru

what you are taught is the school's responsibility--what you actually do with the knowledge is up to you--she loses

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, do you think schools have any responsibility to not pump out flood the market and take money from people who have no real hope to get a job? Yeah, she should have been able to find a job. But, as I am reading the College catalogs for my son, there are so many absolutely, positively USELESS majors that they are going to siphon money out of these young people making them think they are jobs. They will amass a mountain of debt to spend their lives schlepping at some minimum wage job. It's immoral. Schools and universities should have some responsibility in the number of students they accept to particular programs in keeping with reality.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, do you think schools have any responsibility to not pump out flood the market and take money from people who have no real hope to get a job? Yeah, she should have been able to find a job. But, as I am reading the College catalogs for my son, there are so many absolutely, positively USELESS majors that they are going to siphon money out of these young people making them think they are jobs. They will amass a mountain of debt to spend their lives schlepping at some minimum wage job. It's immoral. Schools and universities should have some responsibility in the number of students they accept to particular programs in keeping with reality.

I think the schools have the responsibility not to LIE about their placement program. Beyond that, it's pretty much on the person making the choices.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

She isn't very smart, now is she?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
She isn't very smart, now is she?

Makes you wonder how she graduated top of her class, doesn't it? No wonder people aren't hiring lawyers from that school.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
She isn't very smart, now is she?
Makes you wonder how she graduated top of her class, doesn't it? No wonder people aren't hiring lawyers from that school.

When Sen Elizabeth Warren was advocating for something to be done about student loans and the high cost of college, she showcased a college grad who also didn't have a job. The college grad had been offered jobs, entry level, but she turned them down saying that she deserved better. I just am so amazed at the some of these "kids" and their entitled attitudes.

BTW, Warren was paid 750K for teaching part time at Harvard.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

The nursing programs take care of supply and demand by only allowing a certain number of people in each graduating class. More demand for nurses means higher salaries.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, do you think schools have any responsibility to not pump out flood the market and take money from people who have no real hope to get a job? Yeah, she should have been able to find a job. But, as I am reading the College catalogs for my son, there are so many absolutely, positively USELESS majors that they are going to siphon money out of these young people making them think they are jobs. They will amass a mountain of debt to spend their lives schlepping at some minimum wage job. It's immoral. Schools and universities should have some responsibility in the number of students they accept to particular programs in keeping with reality.

There's no way to police that. You have HUNDREDS of colleges and universities.

WYSIWYG · Guru

what you are taught is the school's responsibility--what you actually do with the knowledge is up to you--she loses
- burns07

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This.

TrudyML · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
She isn't very smart, now is she?
Makes you wonder how she graduated top of her class, doesn't it? No wonder people aren't hiring lawyers from that school.
When Sen Elizabeth Warren was advocating for something to be done about student loans and the high cost of college, she showcased a college grad who also didn't have a job. The college grad had been offered jobs, entry level, but she turned them down saying that she deserved better. I just am so amazed at the some of these "kids" and their entitled attitudes.
BTW, Warren was paid 750K for teaching part time at Harvard.

aH, THAT Indian!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Update - she lost. Jury found in favor of the school.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Update - she lost. Jury found in favor of the school.

Finally, a jury with common sense!

Thanks for the update.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Update - she lost. Jury found in favor of the school.
- Lawyerlady

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They must have had "civic minded citizens" on that jury instead of the proverbial "12 people so stupid they couldn't even get out of jury duty".

Good finding from this jury. I agree with it.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Good to hear!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, i mean, i don't think she should have won. However, i do think schools promise a lot of baloney that is simply untrue.

WYSIWYG · Guru

That they do. Most definitely.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Schools can promise you the moon, but what you do matters more. She had a job offer. Had she taken it, worked hard and proven herself, she'd probably be a partner somewhere by now.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Schools can promise you the moon, but what you do matters more.
- Lawyerlady

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That's true as well.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well they shouldn't be promising you the moon. That's false advertising. Just like an investment broker cannot promise u 20% returns.

ed11563 · Guru

A lot of young people go to college without any real plan, and major in subjects for which there are no (or far too few) good jobs available.

I think their parents and high school guidance counselors have screwed up in allowing or encouraging this.

Law school, as in this case, is a different matter, because while there are lots of lawyers, there are lots of lawyers who wind up having to struggle to open their own practice and get clients.

But at least that's an option while they are flipping burgers to have some sort of income.

I've also seen (and I'm not the only one) that taking the first marginal job offered in someone's field is a good idea. People in crap intro jobs can still keep looking, from a position of relative strength because they're not as desperate.

And the intro level job sometimes will turn into a good thing later.

But someone has to tell the new graduates, hopefully EARLY in their college career.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lawyers can do just about anything, and they can do it by themselves. My boss said there should never be an unemployed lawyer - there's always something you can do. From big firms, to sole practice, to title exams, to management, to teaching.

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Law student who graduated top of her class sues former school after failing to find long-term employment within TEN YEARS

Her lawyer, Brian Procel, told The Times that this will be the first time a 'law school will be on trial to defend its public employment figures'.