TOTALLY GEEKED!

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Analysts tend to quibble over whether military veterans vote primarily Republican. The unembellished numbers suggest that they do. According to National Election Pool final exit polls, 59 percent of veterans voted Republican in both the 2014 congressional elections and the 2012 presidential election, compared to the 39 percent who voted Democratic in both elections. In 2008 54 percent voted for Sen. John McCain and Sarah Palin, and 44 percent supported then-Sens. Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden. In 2004 57 percent voted for President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and 41 percent for Sens. John F. Kerry and John Edwards.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/10/inside-the-beltway-voting-vets-147-million-strong-/

I guess you don't believe history either...

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You seem to be forgetting that Trump dissed McCain and dissed veterans by using them as political footballs.

They're not happy about that. Sure, they'll vote Republican, but how do you know they won't vote for Cruz?

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He's not going to be the Republican nominee.  He won't even be on the ballot.  And Trump is already leading in vet votes:

For a normal presidential candidate, saying the Iraq war was based on a lie, failing to provide specifics on military policy and getting a draft deferral to avoid service would be a death knell among voting service members and veterans.

Yet Donald Trump, who has done all these things and more, won the military vote in South Carolina. And that momentum shows no signs of fading heading into Super Tuesday, when states with a large number of troops and some of the nation's major military bases will cast their votes for the GOP presidential candidate.

 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-troops-and-vets-are-voting-for-trump/article/2584171

Tinydancer wrote:

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As I said. The veterans in my family want a "real man" in the Whitehouse.

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A real neo-fascist. OK.

weltschmerz wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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As I said. The veterans in my family want a "real man" in the Whitehouse.

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A real neo-fascist. OK.

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 Call him whatever you like now.  But, come January, you are likely to also have to call him Mr. President whether you like it or not.  And flan gets so upset when one gets disrespectful about the office of the President.  One can only hope she won't be hypocritical enough not to call you on your disrespect when the time comes. 

Ohfour wrote:

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It sure did get quiet real quick...

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 You DO know that most people have lives?

Do we need your approval to go to the store?

flan

Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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As I said. The veterans in my family want a "real man" in the Whitehouse.

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A real neo-fascist. OK.

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Meh, your opinion is really irrelevant.  Especially when it comes to real men... 

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 Trump is a "real" man?!

Scares the sh1t out of me that people believe that BS.

flan

weltschmerz wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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Have you proved they're not?

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What is with you people and proving negatives? 

How the hell am  I supposed to prove that negative?

That being said, if OhFour makes the claim, she has to back it up with evidence.

Which source did she get the information from, or did she mke it up?

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 Gallup polls clearly show that the gap between republican and democratic voters among veterans is at least 10 points at the lowest and more than 30 points at the highest among various age groups.

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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As I said. The veterans in my family want a "real man" in the Whitehouse.

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A real neo-fascist. OK.

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 Call him whatever you like now.  But, come January, you are likely to also have to call him Mr. President whether you like it or not.  And flan gets so upset when one gets disrespectful about the office of the President.  One can only hope she won't be hypocritical enough not to call you on your disrespect when the time comes. 

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 Don't hold your breath.

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 I meant what I said and I said what I meant.

flan

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 Well you change with the popularity wind so when you ACTUALLY say what you mean and mean what you say I will take you seriously. If I had been a gay liberal when I joined this board you would have been my best friend...LOL 

Ohfour wrote:

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www.ibtimes.com/after-donald-trump-flip-flop-torture-veterans-still-support-republican-front-runner-2330618

Of course i do. Im not a liberal...

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 I have to agree that I do not see anything in the link that supports that a vast majority of vets support Trump.

Besides the statements that many vets still support Trump the only numbers given are for the a poll for the South Carolina Republican primary.  So of Republican primary voters when asked which one candidate you support 37% of the vets said Trump.  If you look at polling data when asked which candidates you would never support 31% of the vets said Trump.  Cruz was 25%, Bush 22%, Rubio was 11%. 

cadiver wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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www.ibtimes.com/after-donald-trump-flip-flop-torture-veterans-still-support-republican-front-runner-2330618

Of course i do. Im not a liberal...

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 I have to agree that I do not see anything in the link that supports that a vast majority of vets support Trump.

 

Besides the statements that many vets still support Trump the only numbers given are for the a poll for the South Carolina Republican primary.  So of Republican primary voters when asked which one candidate you support 37% of the vets said Trump.  If you look at polling data when asked which candidates you would never support 31% of the vets said Trump.  Cruz was 25%, Bush 22%, Rubio was 11%. 

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 THANK YOU!

Whan I said that, i was accused of not reading the article to the end, of not understanding it, and some nonsense about high-school drop-outs being smarter than me.

The article said no such thing in any way, shape or form.

cadiver wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Analysts tend to quibble over whether military veterans vote primarily Republican. The unembellished numbers suggest that they do. According to National Election Pool final exit polls, 59 percent of veterans voted Republican in both the 2014 congressional elections and the 2012 presidential election, compared to the 39 percent who voted Democratic in both elections. In 2008 54 percent voted for Sen. John McCain and Sarah Palin, and 44 percent supported then-Sens. Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden. In 2004 57 percent voted for President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and 41 percent for Sens. John F. Kerry and John Edwards.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/10/inside-the-beltway-voting-vets-147-million-strong-/

I guess you don't believe history either...

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You seem to be forgetting that Trump dissed McCain and dissed veterans by using them as political footballs.

They're not happy about that. Sure, they'll vote Republican, but how do you know they won't vote for Cruz?

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He's not going to be the Republican nominee.  He won't even be on the ballot.  And Trump is already leading in vet votes:

 

For a normal presidential candidate, saying the Iraq war was based on a lie, failing to provide specifics on military policy and getting a draft deferral to avoid service would be a death knell among voting service members and veterans.

Yet Donald Trump, who has done all these things and more, won the military vote in South Carolina. And that momentum shows no signs of fading heading into Super Tuesday, when states with a large number of troops and some of the nation's major military bases will cast their votes for the GOP presidential candidate.

 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-troops-and-vets-are-voting-for-trump/article/2584171

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Now we are talking about a past general election.  I am not sure its valid to use past votes, the number could sway either way, but even using the 59% figure.  If Trump receives 59% of the vet vote I would still say that is not a vast majority.

 

The second link for the South Carolina primary he received 35%, which is about what the poll in the previous post had.  It still doesn't show a vast majority is supporting him. 

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 That is absolutely a vast majority.  Most presidential elections come down to a 1 or 2% difference.  9% is huge.  

huskerbb wrote:

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cadiver wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Analysts tend to quibble over whether military veterans vote primarily Republican. The unembellished numbers suggest that they do. According to National Election Pool final exit polls, 59 percent of veterans voted Republican in both the 2014 congressional elections and the 2012 presidential election, compared to the 39 percent who voted Democratic in both elections. In 2008 54 percent voted for Sen. John McCain and Sarah Palin, and 44 percent supported then-Sens. Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden. In 2004 57 percent voted for President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and 41 percent for Sens. John F. Kerry and John Edwards.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/10/inside-the-beltway-voting-vets-147-million-strong-/

I guess you don't believe history either...

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You seem to be forgetting that Trump dissed McCain and dissed veterans by using them as political footballs.

They're not happy about that. Sure, they'll vote Republican, but how do you know they won't vote for Cruz?

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He's not going to be the Republican nominee.  He won't even be on the ballot.  And Trump is already leading in vet votes:

 

For a normal presidential candidate, saying the Iraq war was based on a lie, failing to provide specifics on military policy and getting a draft deferral to avoid service would be a death knell among voting service members and veterans.

Yet Donald Trump, who has done all these things and more, won the military vote in South Carolina. And that momentum shows no signs of fading heading into Super Tuesday, when states with a large number of troops and some of the nation's major military bases will cast their votes for the GOP presidential candidate.

 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-troops-and-vets-are-voting-for-trump/article/2584171

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Now we are talking about a past general election.  I am not sure its valid to use past votes, the number could sway either way, but even using the 59% figure.  If Trump receives 59% of the vet vote I would still say that is not a vast majority.

 

The second link for the South Carolina primary he received 35%, which is about what the poll in the previous post had.  It still doesn't show a vast majority is supporting him. 

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 That is absolutely a vast majority.  Most presidential elections come down to a 1 or 2% difference.  9% is huge.  

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I would not consider it huge.  I refers how large the subset to the larger group is.  I would use vast majority for blacks support of democrats at 90-95%.

If a senate vote goes 60-40 is that a vast majority?

Bonny22Pye wrote:

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Did Carson just admit that Trump promised him a position in exchange for his support? Isn't that illegal?

On Monday former presidential candidate and current Donald Trump cheerleader Dr. Ben Carson admitted to a conservative reporter what had been obvious from the start: He was persuaded to support Donald Trump because Trump promised him a role in his administration.

In fact, Carson said, in an interview with NewsMax’s Steve Malzberg, that he had originally intended to back someone else.

“I didn’t see a path for Kasich, who I like, or for Rubio, who I like. As far as Cruz is concerned, I don’t think he’s gonna be able to draw independents and Democrats, unless has has some kind of miraculous change,” Carson explained. “Is there another scenario that I would have preferred? Yes. But that scenario isn’t available.”

“Okay, with one of the other candidates you mean?” Malzberg asked.

“Yes,” Carson said.

But that all changed, Carson says, when Trump made him an offer he decided not to refuse.

“He does love America. And he does want to be successful. And he will surround himself with very good people,” Carson said.

“And will one of them be Dr. Ben Carson?” asked Malzberg.

“I will be doing things as well, yes,” Carson confirmed. “Certainly in an advisory capacity.”

“That’s been determined? When you sat down with him that was discussed?” Malzberg asked.

“Yes,” Carson said. “We haven’t hammered out all the details, but it is very important that we work together to save this country... Again, I’m not going to reveal any details about it right now because all of this is still very liquid.”

As ThinkProgress points out, it is illegal for a candidate to promise “the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy.”

Just speculation, but I’m guessing Attorney General is already off the table.

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 Yes.  This story came out two days ago.  I was going to put it here but then decided not to because every time I post something people say I'm a Trump hater.  Ben Carson was seriously in debt after his campaign.  Trump paid off his campaign debt and promised him a job.  Carson is a man bought and sold.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Bonny22Pye wrote:

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Did Carson just admit that Trump promised him a position in exchange for his support? Isn't that illegal?

On Monday former presidential candidate and current Donald Trump cheerleader Dr. Ben Carson admitted to a conservative reporter what had been obvious from the start: He was persuaded to support Donald Trump because Trump promised him a role in his administration.

In fact, Carson said, in an interview with NewsMax’s Steve Malzberg, that he had originally intended to back someone else.

“I didn’t see a path for Kasich, who I like, or for Rubio, who I like. As far as Cruz is concerned, I don’t think he’s gonna be able to draw independents and Democrats, unless has has some kind of miraculous change,” Carson explained. “Is there another scenario that I would have preferred? Yes. But that scenario isn’t available.”

“Okay, with one of the other candidates you mean?” Malzberg asked.

“Yes,” Carson said.

But that all changed, Carson says, when Trump made him an offer he decided not to refuse.

“He does love America. And he does want to be successful. And he will surround himself with very good people,” Carson said.

“And will one of them be Dr. Ben Carson?” asked Malzberg.

“I will be doing things as well, yes,” Carson confirmed. “Certainly in an advisory capacity.”

“That’s been determined? When you sat down with him that was discussed?” Malzberg asked.

“Yes,” Carson said. “We haven’t hammered out all the details, but it is very important that we work together to save this country... Again, I’m not going to reveal any details about it right now because all of this is still very liquid.”

As ThinkProgress points out, it is illegal for a candidate to promise “the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy.”

Just speculation, but I’m guessing Attorney General is already off the table.

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 Yes.  This story came out two days ago.  I was going to put it here but then decided not to because every time I post something people say I'm a Trump hater.  Ben Carson was seriously in debt after his campaign.  Trump paid off his campaign debt and promised him a job.  Carson is a man bought and sold.

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Not sure if I'm remembering right, but aren't you a Carson supporter?   Obviously, your feelings have changed.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Well, why should candidates have to follow the law? Nothing happens when they don't. If it did, Hillary would be in jail.

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 They should all be held accountable and its a shame when people are lemmings.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Maybe we should get rid of this election business and go back to killing people for the right to rule the land.

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 OR maybe we should just treat politicians like every day people and prosecute them when they break the law.

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 Then we have to support them in their cushy prisons.  Duel to the death!  They'd no longer be a problem.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Maybe we should get rid of this election business and go back to killing people for the right to rule the land.

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 OR maybe we should just treat politicians like every day people and prosecute them when they break the law.

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 Then we have to support them in their cushy prisons.  Duel to the death!  They'd no longer be a problem.

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 That is true about supporting them.  But it's sad because once I stood in line at the store with SS and he was looking at all rag mags and there were all these celebs and Hillary who had done illegal things.  He told me, They're all going to jail.  I honestly had to look at him and explain because they're rich and famous they get to live by a different set of rules than we do.  I think it's awful that our country gives them all a pass.