Bio related to the point that it is HIS child. That is different than if the brother wasn't sterile. No kidding. The wife isn't coil with it. So they should sit down and all discuss it together.
They should discuss it--but she's being unreasonable.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
It does if her husband is going to have to decide between doing what his brother wants and his marriage.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
It would in my marriage. My husband would never do something like this if we didn't agree on it.
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Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
It does if her husband is going to have to decide between doing what his brother wants and his marriage.
There is zero reason for her to force such a choice. If she's that manipulative, he's better off without her.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
It does if her husband is going to have to decide between doing what his brother wants and his marriage.
There is zero reason for her to force such a choice. If she's that manipulative, he's better off without her.
Your marriage is supposed to come first. Her opinion matters more than anyone else. *Forsaking all others*, remember?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Why ? Because you disagree? Oh ok. He is in his second marriage ,already has a kid but yet isn't mature enough not to pretend it's some big secret. And he's HER husband.
What difference does the "second marriage" have to do with anything? NOTHING.
To YOU. Obviously, it means something to her. And I'd be hesitant, too. Give them a kid and they can't bother to stay married and raise it together.
What difference would it possibly make where they get the sperm if that is what she is worried about? Further, so divorced people should never have kids? Again, why would it make any difference if he gets sperm from somewhere or if he wasnot sterile?
in either case, ZERO difference.
Then let them get the sperm elsewhere. People who KNOW you and what your life choices have been actually do get to have an opinion when you are asking them for big, life-changing favors.
Hers is not the opinion that counts.
It does if her husband is going to have to decide between doing what his brother wants and his marriage.
There is zero reason for her to force such a choice. If she's that manipulative, he's better off without her.
Your marriage is supposed to come first. Her opinion matters more than anyone else. *Forsaking all others*, remember?
LOL!!! She is the one who would be forcing the choice for no reason, not him. He's not making the threat to leave the marriage.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
That's absurd. There is nothing wrong with it--and Yiu haven't been able to give any reasons why, either. No one has except the whole "second marriage " nonsense which is just that, nonsense.
On the other hand, there are a ton of good reasons to do it.
The child would share DNA with both his parents. He would share their family history. He would have a good chance of resembling both parents.
There's really no valid argument against it.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I wouldn't want my sister raising my child. Neither would he. So I guess it's good that we married each other, because we are of the same mindset. Neither of us would be able to look at that child in a non-parental way...
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Interestingly enough, he would not mind me being a surrogate. We actually went through the beginning process for a girl we work with. It didn't pan out, (her eggs were too damaged), but we were willing to do it.
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I wouldn't want my sister raising my child. Neither would he. So I guess it's good that we married each other, because we are of the same mindset. Neither of us would be able to look at that child in a non-parental way...
It wouldn't be your child.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I wouldn't want my sister raising my child. Neither would he. So I guess it's good that we married each other, because we are of the same mindset. Neither of us would be able to look at that child in a non-parental way...
It wouldn't be your child.
Genetically, it would...meaning, if I donated an egg. If he donated sperm, it would be his child and he would always feel that way...
-- Edited by Ohfour on Friday 18th of March 2016 12:51:12 PM
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I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
It would be his son, not his nephew. Or it would be my son, not my nephew (depending on which one was the donor). Neither of us are or would be OK with that.
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I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
Right? Oh, I can't have kids so you have to give me yours? That says a lot and if I HAD been on the fence, I wouldn't be any longer...
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I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I would not want DH to be a sperm donor for his brother. Not because I wouldn't be able to separate myself from the child but because his brother is a jerk.
I would not want DH to be a sperm donor for his brother. Not because I wouldn't be able to separate myself from the child but because his brother is a jerk.
And that's YOUR decision as a couple...no matter what husker thinks.
I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
I think it's ****ty of the husband to even consider this if the wife is against it.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
I think it's ****ty of the husband to even consider this if the wife is against it.
Irrationality is not a basis upon which to make decisions. Just because she's bat **** crazy doesn't mean she gets her way 100% of the time.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
I think it's ****ty of the husband to even consider this if the wife is against it.
Irrationality is not a basis upon which to make decisions. Just because she's bat **** crazy doesn't mean she gets her way 100% of the time.
You are the only one being irrational. And frankly, the brother is, too, giving ultimatums. I'd tell him to kiss my ass.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
I think it's ****ty of the husband to even consider this if the wife is against it.
Irrationality is not a basis upon which to make decisions. Just because she's bat **** crazy doesn't mean she gets her way 100% of the time.
You are the only one being irrational. And frankly, the brother is, too, giving ultimatums. I'd tell him to kiss my ass.
Yeah, I have more respect for my spouse than my sibling. The brother is demanding that he give up his child. Nope. Not gonna happen...
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I think it's ****ty of the brother to infer he might lose him if he doesn't give him what he wants. He already did this once. It's a lot to ask. And refusing to take a no shows a lack of maturity to me. So yeah um...no.
I think it's sh!tty of his wife to infer he might lose her f he doesn't do what she wants.
I think it's ****ty of the husband to even consider this if the wife is against it.
Irrationality is not a basis upon which to make decisions. Just because she's bat **** crazy doesn't mean she gets her way 100% of the time.
You are the only one being irrational. And frankly, the brother is, too, giving ultimatums. I'd tell him to kiss my ass.
BS. There is no reason he should not do this. NONE.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
My husband is afraid he's going to lose his brother if he doesn't give him everything he wants
Yep. No way I'd want an ass like that raising my kid.
It wouldn't be your kid any more than it would be for any other sperm donor.
The wife is basically threatening the same thing. Bros before hos.
And that right there is the problem. They are MARRIED. Spouses come FIRST. If not, you have the wrong attitude about marriage.
that doesn't mean they get their way 100% of the time, especially when they are being bat **** crazy.
Also, I've been married longer than most in here. I know how it works.
If you married a bat**** crazy woman, that was your CHOICE. You should have chosen better. But she's still your spouse, for better or worse, FORSAKING ALL OTHERS.
You need to respect her opinion on it over everyone else's whether you agree or not.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I would not want DH to be a sperm donor for his brother. Not because I wouldn't be able to separate myself from the child but because his brother is a jerk.
And that's YOUR decision as a couple...no matter what husker thinks.
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Husker raises a good point though re children from IVF not being the responsibility of the sperm donor. He also is looking at the situation practically vs emotionally.
Also, Husker's thoughts wouldn't factor into such a decision so bringing him into it was rather unnecessary.
DH doesn't like his SIL so he wouldn't donate sperm to his brother anyway.
I would not want DH to be a sperm donor for his brother. Not because I wouldn't be able to separate myself from the child but because his brother is a jerk.
And that's YOUR decision as a couple...no matter what husker thinks.
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Husker raises a good point though re children from IVF not being the responsibility of the sperm donor. He also is looking at the situation practically vs emotionally.
Also, Husker's thoughts wouldn't factor into such a decision so bringing him into it was rather unnecessary.
DH doesn't like his SIL so he wouldn't donate sperm to his brother anyway.
But sometimes they ARE. Take Sherri Shepherd for instance. She decided that she didn't want the baby that was conceived with her husband's sperm and an anonymous egg doner. Then implanted into a surrogate. Before the baby was born, Sherri decided that she didn't want the baby. So she refused to be named on the birth certificate. For over a year, the surrogate was considered the mother and she went through all kinds of legal and financial hell. They went to court in a couple of different states. They surrogate was not biologically related to the child at all.
Sherri is still fighting it. The last court ruled that she WAS the mother, but she's not going to stop fighting. This crap happens all the time..
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A Kansas sperm donor caught in the middle of a child support case says he wanted to help a lesbian couple when he made the donation nearly five years ago.
Instead, he may end up paying for his action.
A judge ruled that William Marotta must pay child support, even though he says he signed documents waiving his parental rights.
Shawnee County District Court Judge Mary Mattivi said on Wednesday that Marotta failed to conform to Kansas law, which says a licensed physician must be involved in an artificial insemination process, court documents show.
A Kansas sperm donor caught in the middle of a child support case says he wanted to help a lesbian couple when he made the donation nearly five years ago.
Instead, he may end up paying for his action.
A judge ruled that William Marotta must pay child support, even though he says he signed documents waiving his parental rights.
Shawnee County District Court Judge Mary Mattivi said on Wednesday that Marotta failed to conform to Kansas law, which says a licensed physician must be involved in an artificial insemination process, court documents show.
My husband is afraid he's going to lose his brother if he doesn't give him everything he wants
Yep. No way I'd want an ass like that raising my kid.
It wouldn't be your kid any more than it would be for any other sperm donor.
The wife is basically threatening the same thing. Bros before hos.
And that right there is the problem. They are MARRIED. Spouses come FIRST. If not, you have the wrong attitude about marriage.
that doesn't mean they get their way 100% of the time, especially when they are being bat **** crazy.
Also, I've been married longer than most in here. I know how it works.
If you married a bat**** crazy woman, that was your CHOICE. You should have chosen better. But she's still your spouse, for better or worse, FORSAKING ALL OTHERS.
You need to respect her opinion on it over everyone else's whether you agree or not.
I didn't. My wife wouldn't make an issue out of this. Only bat sh!t crazy women would.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think the wife has a reasonable interest in where her husband's sperm wind up. And he with her body and eggs. And, if you can't agree then don't do it. I dont' have a problem if both of them agree, then fine.
My husband is afraid he's going to lose his brother if he doesn't give him everything he wants
Yep. No way I'd want an ass like that raising my kid.
It wouldn't be your kid any more than it would be for any other sperm donor.
The wife is basically threatening the same thing. Bros before hos.
And that right there is the problem. They are MARRIED. Spouses come FIRST. If not, you have the wrong attitude about marriage.
that doesn't mean they get their way 100% of the time, especially when they are being bat **** crazy.
Also, I've been married longer than most in here. I know how it works.
If you married a bat**** crazy woman, that was your CHOICE. You should have chosen better. But she's still your spouse, for better or worse, FORSAKING ALL OTHERS.
You need to respect her opinion on it over everyone else's whether you agree or not.
I didn't. My wife wouldn't make an issue out of this. Only bat sh!t crazy women would.
I think you have the wrong person listed as b*tsh*t crazy. That would be any man who would throw away his marriage so his BRO can have his kid. You might think that's ok but as you can see no one else agrees with you. If my husband ever said bros before hos he'd be living with his bros.
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My husband is afraid he's going to lose his brother if he doesn't give him everything he wants
Yep. No way I'd want an ass like that raising my kid.
It wouldn't be your kid any more than it would be for any other sperm donor.
The wife is basically threatening the same thing. Bros before hos.
And that right there is the problem. They are MARRIED. Spouses come FIRST. If not, you have the wrong attitude about marriage.
that doesn't mean they get their way 100% of the time, especially when they are being bat **** crazy.
Also, I've been married longer than most in here. I know how it works.
If you married a bat**** crazy woman, that was your CHOICE. You should have chosen better. But she's still your spouse, for better or worse, FORSAKING ALL OTHERS.
You need to respect her opinion on it over everyone else's whether you agree or not.
I didn't. My wife wouldn't make an issue out of this. Only bat sh!t crazy women would.
I think you have the wrong person listed as b*tsh*t crazy. That would be any man who would throw away his marriage so his BRO can have his kid. You might think that's ok but as you can see no one else agrees with you. If my husband ever said bros before hos he'd be living with his bros.
It's not him that is throwing anything away. He is not setting it up as an either/or scenario. He is not forcing a choice on this. She is--with ZERO reason to.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
My husband is afraid he's going to lose his brother if he doesn't give him everything he wants
Yep. No way I'd want an ass like that raising my kid.
It wouldn't be your kid any more than it would be for any other sperm donor.
The wife is basically threatening the same thing. Bros before hos.
And that right there is the problem. They are MARRIED. Spouses come FIRST. If not, you have the wrong attitude about marriage.
that doesn't mean they get their way 100% of the time, especially when they are being bat **** crazy.
Also, I've been married longer than most in here. I know how it works.
A man shall leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife and the two shall be as one. When a man and woman get married they become a family unit and the parents and siblings become extended fsmily. This is what I told both my son and daughter when they got married. We told them once they got married their spouse becomes their number one priority.
I've been married almost 34 years so zip too know how it works.