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Solar Industry Is Dying. Good Riddance.

 
 
 

If you still own shares in solar energy it’s probably a sign that you’ve been in the sun too long: the sector is tanking – and deservedly so – as reality dawns that this is a Potemkin industry, an Enron of a con-trick, whose survival depends not on the energy it generates but on the subsidies it squeezes from the taxpayer.

Consider Exhibit A:  the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in the California desert. This $2.2 billion project, heavily backed with federal grants by the Obama administration, is absolutely brilliant at killing birds. According to some estimates it accounts for 28,000 a year (the workers at the plant nickname them “streamers” because they fall from the sky like burning comets), though the company denies this. What it’s not so good at is the job it was designed for: generating electricity.

It has failed to produce sufficient quantities of its exorbitantly expensive power (it charges between $135 and $200 per megawatt hour; the market rate for conventional electricity is $35 per megawatt hour) as required by its contract with PG&E Corp and may have to shut down unless bailed out by the California state authorities.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/20/the-solar-industry-is-dying-good-riddance/

Exhibit B is the solar energy firm Abengoa, now on the verge of the biggest corporate collapse in Spanish history, after the Spanish government decided to turn off the subsidy tap essential to its survival.

This was the company that in 2010 President Obama was boasting about having lured to the US as though it represented some kind of major coup.

Announcing government support for clean-energy projects, President Obama hailed a Spanish company, saying its new solar technology would supply tens of thousands of American homes with renewable power, while spurring local employment.

“It’s good news,” Mr. Obama said in 2010, “that we’ve attracted a company to our shores to build a plant and create jobs right here in America.”

Yes, “green jobs” in the “clean-energy” are very easy to create when you’re forcing the taxpayer to subsidise them to the tune of a minimum of $82,000 a year and – in some cases – $2,000,000 a year. This is what happened with Obama’s Green Jobs program.

Like its ugly twin the wind industry, solar is entirely dependent for its survival on government subsidy. Almost inevitably this tends towards crony capitalism and spectacular misallocation of resources. We now have a truly absurd situation whereby not just in California and Nevada but even in overcast, rainy places where the sun almost never shines – Germany, for example; and Maine – people are being bribed by the government to put up solar panels which generate next to no useful energy but which are very good at putting up the price of electricity for everyone else.

This cannot go on forever. Sooner or later – as has already happened in Spain – taxpayers are going to wake up to the fact that there are better ways of having their money spent for them than on gigantic anti-bird death rays.



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Solar has a place.

It should be an individual’s endeavor and it has been proven time and time again that it is not a good source for the main power of anything.

Well, maybe a calculator.

But I do think it is time to try something else.

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Solar has a place.

It should be an individual’s endeavor and it has been proven time and time again that it is not a good source for the main power of anything.

Well, maybe a calculator.

But I do think it is time to try something else.


 Yeah, like nuclear.  Something that has an actual prayer of working.  But, in reality, we have oil and natural gas in abundance.  Not sure why solar and these other things are "natural" and they demonize oil, gas and coal.  What's more natural than those things?  It's all just a big liberal wet dream.



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Solar energy needs to be focused on the small scale - not large scale. That is where they keep screwing up. Make personal solar energy systems more accessible, easy to install and affordable, saving people energy costs in the long run, and people will use them. And STOP giving them loads of government money to keep throwing away on systems that don't work.

It's called capitalism. If it works and is beneficial, people will buy it and it will be successful. If it doesn't, it won't. Stop pushing failing projects.

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Hawaii is the exception. It works for them.

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And I believe the solar tax credits ended with 2015 so you won't see people putting on solar panels at the rate they have been. Gov't won't be paying for a significant portion anymore.

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Hawaii is the exception. It works for them.

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 I bet wind power is more successful as well.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
flan327 wrote:

Hawaii is the exception. It works for them.

flan


 I bet wind power is more successful as well.


 Depends on the island and the season.

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Solar was never a good idea for mass power creation. It's really only an effective solution on a structure by structure basis, and, even then, only when supplemented by an alternative such as wind or *from the grid* during low sun periods.

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WYSIWYG wrote:

Solar was never a good idea for mass power creation. It's really only an effective solution on a structure by structure basis, and, even then, only when supplemented by an alternative such as wind or *from the grid* during low sun periods.


 I don't think most people understand how the process works.  The power one can capture for solar panels on their house does not directly power the house.  It is transferred back to the power company and the house usage comes from the power company but their rate is always the cheapest rate, as in the rate charged during low usage times, no matter the time of day or year.

ETA Also any warranty you have on your roof is voided if you put solar panels on it.  I can't imagine the expense of having to replace a roof that has panels on it.



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Solar energy needs to be focused on the small scale - not large scale. That is where they keep screwing up. Make personal solar energy systems more accessible, easy to install and affordable, saving people energy costs in the long run, and people will use them. And STOP giving them loads of government money to keep throwing away on systems that don't work.

It's called capitalism. If it works and is beneficial, people will buy it and it will be successful. If it doesn't, it won't. Stop pushing failing projects.


   Govt always seems to be on the end of trying to prop up failures.  Energy that is truly usable and efficient and capable of being used by the masses will find it's economy.  Propping up this nonsense by govt is just more of it's silly feel goodism.



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I don't think most people understand how the process works. The power one can capture for solar panels on their house does not directly power the house. It is transferred back to the power company and the house usage comes from the power company but their rate is always the cheapest rate, as in the rate charged during low usage times, no matter the time of day or year.

ETA Also any warranty you have on your roof is voided if you put solar panels on it. I can't imagine the expense of having to replace a roof that has panels on it.
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Admittedly that's one way it can work.

Another way that I know it works, because I have a relative in California with this setup, is that the home is equipped with a NET meter (one that can run forward or backwards as demand requires) and they are billed or credited based on the meter's reading. If the difference is more used, then they pay the electric company. If if the difference is more given to the grid, then a credit is given on their bill.

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WYSIWYG wrote:

I don't think most people understand how the process works. The power one can capture for solar panels on their house does not directly power the house. It is transferred back to the power company and the house usage comes from the power company but their rate is always the cheapest rate, as in the rate charged during low usage times, no matter the time of day or year.

ETA Also any warranty you have on your roof is voided if you put solar panels on it. I can't imagine the expense of having to replace a roof that has panels on it.
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Admittedly that's one way it can work.

Another way that I know it works, because I have a relative in California with this setup, is that the home is equipped with a NET meter (one that can run forward or backwards as demand requires) and they are billed or credited based on the meter's reading. If the difference is more used, then they pay the electric company. If if the difference is more given to the grid, then a credit is given on their bill.


 We looked into solar for work and the way WYSIWYG explained it is the way the contractor explained it to us. It was a decent price - there are still government subsidies for it - but we use way too much electricity for it to be cost effective for us. It would be more cost effective on a family home or in a business that didn't use as much electricity. 



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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Hawaii is the exception. It works for them.

flan


 I bet wind power is more successful as well.


 Wind power is not successful, Either.  It can generate power, but the manufacture and erection of a wind tower takes more energy than one will generate in its usable life.



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Yeah, except wind power is noisy and kills tons of birds. The enviros want to pretend that there is some magical fuel or way to power the world that won't have any consequences. Doesn't matter what it is. Using any form of energy on a mass scale is going to result in issues.

And, there is NOTHING unnatural about coal, natural gas, oil, etc. Wow. We have to destroy our own country just to please the whack jobs.

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If I was building a house from the ground up, it would be a Passivehaus.



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There is no shortage of energy. It's just overblown nonsense.

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I'm in favor of working on energy efficiency. Better fuel economy. Better insulation. It takes a lot less energy to better what we have.

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Yes, i like lower bills. But, you have to be careful because sealing a house up too tight also can lead to respiratory and other issues. And, we are also creating a lot of trash in the name of "efficiency". Oh, let's rip out and throw our perfectly functional washer and dryer or any other thing into the landfill to "save" on energy. We never calculate those costs.

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Wind power is not successful, Either. It can generate power, but the manufacture and erection of a wind tower takes more energy than one will generate in its usable life.
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I agree that it's not cost effective in the short term. But if you plan on keeping the home long term, then it generally balances out quite nicely - unless you are sold the equipment and installation by someone that overcharges.

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Yeah, except wind power is noisy and kills tons of birds. The enviros want to pretend that there is some magical fuel or way to power the world that won't have any consequences. Doesn't matter what it is. Using any form of energy on a mass scale is going to result in issues.
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I agree with you here. It's my opinion that solar and wind should both be relegated to exclusively be used on individual properties.

The small "home-size" wind power generators can be built in such a way that they aren't even a threat to birds.

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Sunlight Striking Earth’s Surface in Just One Hour Delivers Enough Energy to Power the World Economy for an Entire Year

www.alternet.org/environment/sunlight-striking-earths-surface-just-one-hour-delivers-enough-energy-power-world

Now, if only we could find a way to STORE IT.....
It's coming, Im sure.



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weltschmerz wrote:

Sunlight Striking Earth’s Surface in Just One Hour Delivers Enough Energy to Power the World Economy for an Entire Year

www.alternet.org/environment/sunlight-striking-earths-surface-just-one-hour-delivers-enough-energy-power-world

Now, if only we could find a way to STORE IT.....
It's coming, Im sure.


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