TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Decline in Religion Comes Home

Tinydancer · Guru

I find this very sad and discouraging.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I think that portraying those who don't believe as not thinking about things larger than themselves is ridiculous. I know a lot of atheists who think and act purposefully to do what's best for the community as a whole and not just for themselves. Atheist does not equal selfish. Just like religious does not equal selfless.

huskerbb · Guru

Matthew 24:

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

huskerbb · Guru

1 Timothy 4:

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
I think that portraying those who don't believe as not thinking about things larger than themselves is ridiculous. I know a lot of atheists who think and act purposefully to do what's best for the community as a whole and not just for themselves. Atheist does not equal selfish. Just like religious does not equal selfless.

Good luck convincing any one here of that.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

107983d1361759613-i-am-atheist-i-love-i_

Ohfour · Hooker

Thats just stupid. Christians do those things not because they will be rewarded for them (they wont), they do them because they care about other peoples souls.

If you dont believe in souls, you are the ones that are doing people a disservice. And you WILL suffer for that.

Tinydancer · Guru

As much as you insinuate that the religious believe athiest are immoral or not spiritual, which none of us have said, athiest seem to believe that the religious do it because we'll be rewarded or we're scared of retribution. That is so damn hypocritical that I can't even take it serious when you use it in this way.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Thats just stupid. Christians do those things not because they will be rewarded for them (they wont), they do them because they care about other peoples souls.

If you dont believe in souls, you are the ones that are doing people a disservice. And you WILL suffer for that.

You're calling my belief system stupid? Of course you are.

Guess what? I don't believe in souls and I won't suffer post-mortem. That's just stupid.

Tinydancer · Guru

You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:

You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.

Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.

I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM

Tinydancer · Guru

sec·u·lar hu·man·ism
noun
humanism, with regard in particular to the belief that humanity is capable of morality and self-fulfillment without belief in God.

As I said. A system of non-belief. In my eyes that is what makes you suffer. Nonbelief seems like no belief at all to me.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
sec·u·lar hu·man·ism
noun
humanism, with regard in particular to the belief that humanity is capable of morality and self-fulfillment without belief in God.

As I said. A system of non-belief. In my eyes that is what makes you suffer. Nonbelief seems like no belief at all to me.

Read your own post.

The belief that humanity is capable of morality and self-fulfillment. Without deities that can't be proven and are highly unlikely.

It's a belief system.

How am I suffering?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:22:41 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM

Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.

Lol! You're projecting. I have nothing to be bitter and angry about.

Am I capable of being sarcastic? Absolutely!

That being said, I'm no more bitter and angry than you.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.
Lol! You're projecting. I have nothing to be bitter and angry about.
Am I capable of being sarcastic? Absolutely!
That being said, I'm no more bitter and angry than you.

Honey, we all see it. Its not sarcasm. Its bitterness.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.

Lol! Must be kind of like Lily's accusation that my love of Muslims comes through in every post.

Cute.

Ohfour · Hooker

Your screen name says it all...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Your screen name says it all...

I'm an avid environmentalist. Yes, it pains me.the way we've treated the planet.

Doesn't make me angry and bitter, though. Nothing pains you?

How about Hillary or Liberals?

weltschmerz · Guru

If you say my anger and bitterness come through in all my posts, surely you could post some?
Show me some evidence of this "anger and bitterness". Shouldn't be too hard.
Lily couldn't do it and neither could you.

Ohfour · Hooker

You cant even see it. The meme you posted was angry and bitter. Kinda like you want to be acknowledged too!!!! Dammit, I'm a good person, see?

Your stance on abortion and euthanasia is another example of your bitterness. You have no regard for life. You have said that you would euthanize with explicit permission from the person, and you agree with late term abortion. Those are definite ideas of a bitter and angry person. Again, no regard for life.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
You cant even see it. The meme you posted was angry and bitter. Kinda like you want to be acknowledged too!!!! Dammit, I'm a good person, see?

Your stance on abortion and euthanasia is another example of your bitterness. You have no regard for life. You have said that you would euthanize with explicit permission from the person, and you agree with late term abortion. Those are definite ideas of a bitter and angry person. Again, no regard for life.

ROTFLMAO!!

The meme was not angry and bitter.

My stances on assisted euthanasia and abortion don't make me angry and bitter.

They make YOU angry and bitter.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 03:02:16 PM

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 03:02:38 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Matthew 24:

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

I was thinking 2 Thessalonians 2.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 03:53:45 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM

I don't like it when people lie through their teeth about me.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM
I don't like it when people lie through their teeth about me.

Hasn't happened yet.

You never know just how you look through other people's eyes.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM
I don't like it when people lie through their teeth about me.
Hasn't happened yet.
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes.

So put up a few posts where I just LOVE Muslims. You said it comes through in all my posts.

Put up or shut up.

I've been asking you for MONTHS to prove your assertion and you just can't back up your lies.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Your still carrying that baggage?

Yes. You have defended muslims.

I'm not going to go back through months of posts.

I don't have to.

I did so at the time. Not going to continue to rehash.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Your still carrying that baggage?

Yes. You have defended muslims.

I'm not going to go back through months of posts.

I don't have to.

I did so at the time. Not going to continue to rehash.

You are SO full of crap.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That's nice dear.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
You cant even see it. The meme you posted was angry and bitter. Kinda like you want to be acknowledged too!!!! Dammit, I'm a good person, see?

Your stance on abortion and euthanasia is another example of your bitterness. You have no regard for life. You have said that you would euthanize with explicit permission from the person, and you agree with late term abortion. Those are definite ideas of a bitter and angry person. Again, no regard for life.

Reasoning FAIL.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM
I don't like it when people lie through their teeth about me.
Hasn't happened yet.
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes.

You might want to think long & hard about those words.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.
Lol! You're projecting. I have nothing to be bitter and angry about.
Am I capable of being sarcastic? Absolutely!
That being said, I'm no more bitter and angry than you.
Honey, we all see it. Its not sarcasm. Its bitterness.

You just HAVE to convince yourself of that...oh, and don't forget how "jealous" I am.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
As much as you insinuate that the religious believe athiest are immoral or not spiritual, which none of us have said, athiest seem to believe that the religious do it because we'll be rewarded or we're scared of retribution. That is so damn hypocritical that I can't even take it serious when you use it in this way.

I've heard it said over & over here.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:

Please point out the "bitterness."

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.
Lol! You're projecting. I have nothing to be bitter and angry about.
Am I capable of being sarcastic? Absolutely!
That being said, I'm no more bitter and angry than you.
Honey, we all see it. Its not sarcasm. Its bitterness.
You just HAVE to convince yourself of that...oh, and don't forget how "jealous" I am.
flan

The jealousy is thick. Its as obvious as the nose on your face. And i dont have to convince myself of anything. Its pretty much agreed upon here.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
As much as you insinuate that the religious believe athiest are immoral or not spiritual, which none of us have said, athiest seem to believe that the religious do it because we'll be rewarded or we're scared of retribution. That is so damn hypocritical that I can't even take it serious when you use it in this way.
I've heard it said over & over here.
flan

No you havent. Wrong again...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You have no belief system. You have a non-belief system. You're already suffering.
Lol! My belief system has no magical deities in it, but it's a belief system. Secular Humanism is a belief system.
I'm suffering? How so? Could have fooled me.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 27th of March 2016 02:15:18 PM
Your bitterness and anger come through with almost every post. Of course you are suffering, or you would be a happy person.
Lol! You're projecting. I have nothing to be bitter and angry about.
Am I capable of being sarcastic? Absolutely!
That being said, I'm no more bitter and angry than you.
Honey, we all see it. Its not sarcasm. Its bitterness.
You just HAVE to convince yourself of that...oh, and don't forget how "jealous" I am.
flan
The jealousy is thick. Its as obvious as the nose on your face. And i dont have to convince myself of anything. Its pretty much agreed upon here.

You KNOW when the supposed "jealousy" started, and you were the one who started it.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
As much as you insinuate that the religious believe athiest are immoral or not spiritual, which none of us have said, athiest seem to believe that the religious do it because we'll be rewarded or we're scared of retribution. That is so damn hypocritical that I can't even take it serious when you use it in this way.
I've heard it said over & over here.
flan

Show a quote as welts would say. That is not what Christians believe. You make crap up just to support your non-belief.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, hon, you sure like to bring me up a lot.

You know, it is kind of flattering.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 27th of March 2016 04:00:18 PM
I don't like it when people lie through their teeth about me.
Hasn't happened yet.
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes.

So put up a few posts where I just LOVE Muslims. You said it comes through in all my posts.
Put up or shut up.
I've been asking you for MONTHS to prove your assertion and you just can't back up your lies.

Wait. I am confused. Shouldnt a Christian support loving one's enemies? Luke 6:27. Matthew 5:44 Romans 12:14...

WYSIWYG · Guru

I don't know how I feel about the OP.

But I will comment on the Atheist meme: I personally know several moral Atheists (and know of many more that i don't personally know). Morality isn't limited to those of us that believe in God.

I also know of many immoral Christians. Immorality isn't limited to those that don't believe.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't know how I feel about the OP.

But I will comment on the Atheist meme: I personally know several moral Atheists (and know of many more that i don't personally know). Morality isn't limited to those of us that believe in God.

I also know of many immoral Christians. Immorality isn't limited to those that don't believe.

Nobody said that it was or wasn't. Of course atheists can be moral as well. Man is created in the Image of God and the laws of God are written on the heart of man. People have an inherent sense of what is right and wrong. So, we all can and often do act in moral ways. And, even those who are evil are not necessarily even as evil as they could possibly be.

As for immoral Christians, yes, we have that too. We are all capable of sinning. We are all in fact, sinners. So, yes. Christians seek church knowing that they are sinners and in need of the Savior. So, not sure what your point is?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't know how I feel about the OP.

But I will comment on the Atheist meme: I personally know several moral Atheists (and know of many more that i don't personally know). Morality isn't limited to those of us that believe in God.

I also know of many immoral Christians. Immorality isn't limited to those that don't believe.
Nobody said that it was or wasn't. Of course atheists can be moral as well. Man is created in the Image of God and the laws of God are written on the heart of man. People have an inherent sense of what is right and wrong. So, we all can and often do act in moral ways. And, even those who are evil are not necessarily even as evil as they could possibly be.
As for immoral Christians, yes, we have that too. We are all capable of sinning. We are all in fact, sinners. So, yes. Christians seek church knowing that they are sinners and in need of the Savior. So, not sure what your point is?

That people (in general) don't need a Book to teach them to act with compassion. And, just because someone is an atheist, that doesn't mean their sense of morality changes from day to day.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't know how I feel about the OP.

But I will comment on the Atheist meme: I personally know several moral Atheists (and know of many more that i don't personally know). Morality isn't limited to those of us that believe in God.

I also know of many immoral Christians. Immorality isn't limited to those that don't believe.
Nobody said that it was or wasn't. Of course atheists can be moral as well. Man is created in the Image of God and the laws of God are written on the heart of man. People have an inherent sense of what is right and wrong. So, we all can and often do act in moral ways. And, even those who are evil are not necessarily even as evil as they could possibly be.
As for immoral Christians, yes, we have that too. We are all capable of sinning. We are all in fact, sinners. So, yes. Christians seek church knowing that they are sinners and in need of the Savior. So, not sure what your point is?
That people (in general) don't need a Book to teach them to act with compassion. And, just because someone is an atheist, that doesn't mean their sense of morality changes from day to day.
flan

I just answered that didnt I? Man is created in the Image of God and God's laws are written upon our heart. So, yes, most people know that it isn't 'right" to rape a baby. However, we all tend to go towards are own ways. And, yes you can be acting outrightly moral but have craven immorality in your own heart and mind. And, the standard of God isn't only the outward but the inward heart and mind and we need to understand God's teachings to find the higher path.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.

I have explained that before, LGS.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No. You really haven't.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No. You really haven't.

Yes, I really have. wink

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

LGS you know she doesn't answer direct questions...