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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: The Decline in Religion Comes Home

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.

She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, to be fair, we certainly all relish a lively discussion as well!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.
She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.

You don't know many Quakers, apparently.

Peaceful does not equal doormat.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, to be fair, we certainly all relish a lively discussion as well!

I hate relish. DH puts it on hamburgers. evileye

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It looks like snot.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It looks like snot.

And smells worse.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.
She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.

Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Certain "Christians" here post some of the nastiest things I have ever read.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:

Here's the problem with this meme.

If YOU get to "set your own standards and enforce them"--that means everyone else does, too. "Everyone else" doesn't have the same standards.

Charles Manson had a certain standard. Pedophiles have certain standards.

If everyone gets to set their own standards--then they do, too. What is to stop them? Majority vote? The law?

That's rich--you aren't in favor of majority vote deciding things like gay marriage--you want a higher standard to decide that. You want to strike down laws that you don't agree with.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

How does the atheist 'know them to be RIGHT"? Obviously in order for something to be right, there has to be a higher and objective measure. You know, God the Moral Lawgiver. Doh!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How does the atheist 'know them to be RIGHT"? Obviously in order for something to be right, there has to be a higher and objective measure. You know, God the Moral Lawgiver. Doh!

I disagree.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You can disagree all you want. But, there has to be some objective standard that it is "right" to feed a hungry person. That it is 'right" to offer water, give help, give someone a coat and on and on. Not just pulling out standards out of one's own arse.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Of course, again you disagree that God is the moral lawgiver while pursuing being a Quaker which makes NO Sense.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.
She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.
Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Certain "Christians" here post some of the nastiest things I have ever read.
flan

Well, according to you, Quakers are better. What? You don't like having that turned back on you. You constantly comment on Christian behavior, why can't I comment on your so-called Quaker behavior.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.

How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?

And obviously gravity can be proven.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Morality based on your own personal feelings is too fluid. It changes as you do.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.
She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.
Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Certain "Christians" here post some of the nastiest things I have ever read.
flan
Well, according to you, Quakers are better. What? You don't like having that turned back on you. You constantly comment on Christian behavior, why can't I comment on your so-called Quaker behavior.

What turned back on me?

Quakers, at least the Meeting I attend, are about INclusion, not EXclusion.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Morality based on your own personal feelings is too fluid. It changes as you do.

Except when it doesn't.

It goes deeper than "feelings." When I'm having a bad day, I don't suddenly decide it's okay to steal.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, you seem to spend a lot of time here denigrating the Bible and Christianity, yet you are a Quaker so why are you wasting time with that if you really don't believe? I don't understand.
She doesn't act like any Quaker I've ever known. They are nice and peaceful and don't pick fights.
Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Certain "Christians" here post some of the nastiest things I have ever read.
flan
Well, according to you, Quakers are better. What? You don't like having that turned back on you. You constantly comment on Christian behavior, why can't I comment on your so-called Quaker behavior.
What turned back on me?
Quakers, at least the Meeting I attend, are about INclusion, not EXclusion.
flan

Again, not something you emulate. Quakers are also about love, tolerance, and quietness.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Quakers are also human, and they speak up if they feel it is necessary.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Quakers are also human, and they speak up if they feel it is necessary.

flan

Ahhh, so you feel it "necessary" to insult others every chance you get. Got it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Quakers are also human, and they speak up if they feel it is necessary.

flan
Ahhh, so you feel it "necessary" to insult others every chance you get. Got it.

Actually, I think I miss a chance now & then.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan

Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan
Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.

The weird thing? Quakers believe in Christ.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yet, she doesn't seem to indicate that belief so go figure.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan
Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.
The weird thing? Quakers believe in Christ.

Quakers also WELCOME those who don't.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan
Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.
The weird thing? Quakers believe in Christ.
Quakers also WELCOME those who don't.
flan

So do Christian churches. That's the whole point. LOL.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.

Well, you're practically a saint...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.
Well, you're practically a saint...
flan

I don't believe in saints.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.
Well, you're practically a saint...
flan
I don't believe in saints.

I was raised Catholic, remember?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.
Well, you're practically a saint...
flan
I don't believe in saints.

Aren't you Catholic?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.
Well, you're practically a saint...
flan
I don't believe in saints.
Aren't you Catholic?

No.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I purposely let a lot of opportunities to rip you a new one go right on by. Even when it's hard.
Well, you're practically a saint...
flan
I don't believe in saints.
Aren't you Catholic?

No, just raised one.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Actually, you are considered a "saint" when you are washed in the blood of Christ and are a professing Christian. Believers are called saints and considered saints.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

She was talking to me.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Actually, you are considered a "saint" when you are washed in the blood of Christ and are a professing Christian. Believers are called saints and considered saints.

A saint is a person considered to have a higher level of holiness, or likeness to God. And there is not a human on earth, past or present, that meets that standard. Not even professing Christians. We are all sinners. And sinners are not saints.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I know. But, i am pointing out the Biblical definition of saints are professing believers in Christ.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Actually, you are considered a "saint" when you are washed in the blood of Christ and are a professing Christian. Believers are called saints and considered saints.
A saint is a person considered to have a higher level of holiness, or likeness to God. And there is not a human on earth, past or present, that meets that standard. Not even professing Christians. We are all sinners. And sinners are not saints.

Not so. You need to some study on Christian apologetics.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Question: "What are Christian saints according to the Bible?"

Answer: The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Actually, you are considered a "saint" when you are washed in the blood of Christ and are a professing Christian. Believers are called saints and considered saints.
A saint is a person considered to have a higher level of holiness, or likeness to God. And there is not a human on earth, past or present, that meets that standard. Not even professing Christians. We are all sinners. And sinners are not saints.
Not so. You need to some study on Christian apologetics.

I know what the Bible says. Saints are those that "keep the commandments". Nobody keeps all the commandments all the time.

Revelation 14:12 ESV /

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

The ONLY real saint was Jesus Christ.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Christians are saints. However, i agree, there is a lot of ungodly behavior. But, if you are a saved Christian you are a saint in God's eyes.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Question: "What are Christian saints according to the Bible?"

Answer: The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

Name ONE person this applies to.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Christians are saints. However, i agree, there is a lot of ungodly behavior. But, if you are a saved Christian you are a saint in God's eyes.

Ideally. But nobody behaves the way it is commanded for a saint.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Christians are saints. However, i agree, there is a lot of ungodly behavior. But, if you are a saved Christian you are a saint in God's eyes.
Ideally. But nobody behaves the way it is commanded for a saint.

Catholics have a different definition of a "Saint."

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Christians are saints. However, i agree, there is a lot of ungodly behavior. But, if you are a saved Christian you are a saint in God's eyes.
Ideally. But nobody behaves the way it is commanded for a saint.
Catholics have a different definition of a "Saint."
flan

I'm aware.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan
Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.
The weird thing? Quakers believe in Christ.
Quakers also WELCOME those who don't.
flan
So do Christian churches. That's the whole point. LOL.

But they don't insist they believe in order to be a member of the Meeting.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You seem to think that disagreeing with Truth, somehow negates the reality of it. You can disagree with it all you want. It's still true. You can 'disagree" that a child in the womb is not a child. You can disagree that God exists. You can disagree with gravity. It all still applies to you.
How many gods has man created since the dawn of time?
And obviously gravity can be proven.
flan
Man can create all the gods he wants. There is only one God. Creation did not create itself.
The weird thing? Quakers believe in Christ.
Quakers also WELCOME those who don't.
flan
So do Christian churches. That's the whole point. LOL.
But they don't insist they believe in order to be a member of the Meeting.
flan

Why would you want to be a member of something you don't believe in?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, i don't get it! Why would you want to be around people who believe a lot of what you considered false teaching?