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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: The big difference between the god of radical Islam and the God of Christianity

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know all that, Husker. But it's not like they are worshiping a false God. They have failed to listen to him and understand that he sent his son and therefore they do not receive salvation.
Maybe not--but the question was whether or not they worship the same God as Christians--and the answer is no. They have expressly rejected that God.
They recognize and worship Jehovah God. Yahweh.

That's still not the same. They don't worship Jesus Christ. They have expressly rejected him--and thus reject God.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know all that, Husker. But it's not like they are worshiping a false God. They have failed to listen to him and understand that he sent his son and therefore they do not receive salvation.
Maybe not--but the question was whether or not they worship the same God as Christians--and the answer is no. They have expressly rejected that God.
They recognize and worship Jehovah God. Yahweh.
That's still not the same. They don't worship Jesus Christ. They have expressly rejected him--and thus reject God.

Husker - this is a thread about the difference between Islam and Christianity. You can sit there are argue semantics all day long. The Jews worship the God of the Old Testament before Christ.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Exactly. They just don't recognize the Lordship of Jesus Christ. But, according to the Bible, at some point they will see and understand this.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I know all that, Husker. But it's not like they are worshiping a false God. They have failed to listen to him and understand that he sent his son and therefore they do not receive salvation.
Maybe not--but the question was whether or not they worship the same God as Christians--and the answer is no. They have expressly rejected that God.
They recognize and worship Jehovah God. Yahweh.
That's still not the same. They don't worship Jesus Christ. They have expressly rejected him--and thus reject God.
Husker - this is a thread about the difference between Islam and Christianity. You can sit there are argue semantics all day long. The Jews worship the God of the Old Testament before Christ.

Which is not the same thing as the God Christians worship.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Exactly. They just don't recognize the Lordship of Jesus Christ. But, according to the Bible, at some point they will see and understand this.

Which Christians do--therefore different, and not the same.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It IS the SAME God.

Goodness.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
It IS the SAME God.

Goodness.

No, it is not. Christians worship the Trinity. Jews do not.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That makes no sense.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
That makes no sense.

Which part--saying that Christians do worship the Trinity or that Jews do not? Both of those statements are facts.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't worship the Holy Ghost.

So does that mean I don't worship God?

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't worship the Holy Ghost.

So does that mean I don't worship God?

Wow. You don't woship the Trinity? That is Christianity.

huskerbb · Guru

I didn't say the Jews don't worship God. I said they don't worship the same God as Christians.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. I believe in the trinity.

But I don't worship the Holy Ghost.

I worship through the Holy Ghost.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
I didn't say the Jews don't worship God. I said they don't worship the same God as Christians.

But it is the same God.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No. I believe in the trinity.

But I don't worship the Holy Ghost.

I worship through the Holy Ghost.

That makes no sense. The Trinity IS God.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. It isnt.

We've had this discussion before.

I'm not going through it again.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No. It isnt.

We've had this discussion before.

I'm not going through it again.

The Holy Spirit is God As much as the father and the son. That is a core belief of Christianity.

Tinydancer · Guru

It's the same God just different ways of worshipping him. You really should stop thinking you know about the Jewish God if you're going to be so stuck on that.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
It's the same God just different ways of worshipping him. You really should stop thinking you know about the Jewish God if you're going to be so stuck on that.

It's not the same. Do the Jews worship Jesus?

Tinydancer · Guru

No but they worship the same God. Are you having trouble understanding today?

Tinydancer · Guru

Jesus is the Son of God, not God himself...sheesh

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Jesus is the Son of God, not God himself...sheesh

Absolutely untrue. Jesus IS God. That is a core belief of Christianity.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Monday 4th of April 2016 02:44:18 PM

-- Edited by huskerbb on Monday 4th of April 2016 02:44:43 PM

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple

But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple
But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.

Sure. No argument, there. But the question was is it the same--and without the other two parts of the Trinity, it is not the same.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple
But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.
Sure. No argument, there. But the question was is it the same--and without the other two parts of the Trinity, it is not the same.

Judaism has always been looking forward to the Messiah.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, are you saying that the Old Testament is null and void? That it was wrong since Christ hadn't come yet?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, are you saying that the Old Testament is null and void? That it was wrong since Christ hadn't come yet?

No--but it's not complete without the New Testament.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple
But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.
Sure. No argument, there. But the question was is it the same--and without the other two parts of the Trinity, it is not the same.

Judaism has always been looking forward to the Messiah.

The Messiah has come.

Lindley · Guru

The Old Testament pointed to Christ and the New Testament is About Christ. I still read the Old Testament and feel a lot of it is relevant today. I love the Pslams, and proverbs. Daniel has passages that is about the end times. Christ didn't change the law he fulfilled it.

The food that he forbidden the Isrealites to eat were unhealthy and could cause illness. Pork, shellfish... cleanliness etc..... It wasn't just because he didn't want them to eat it for the fun of it but had health reasons. They didn't have the knowledge we do now.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple
But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.
Sure. No argument, there. But the question was is it the same--and without the other two parts of the Trinity, it is not the same.

Judaism has always been looking forward to the Messiah.
The Messiah has come.

Yes, but they don't know that.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
God the Father

God the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Three in one = Trinity.

Simple
But that PART of the Trinity is the God of Judaism.
Sure. No argument, there. But the question was is it the same--and without the other two parts of the Trinity, it is not the same.

Judaism has always been looking forward to the Messiah.
The Messiah has come.
Yes, but they don't know that.

They can "know" it as much as Christians can. They choose not to believe.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Husker - this is a thread about the difference between Islam and Christianity. You can sit there are argue semantics all day long. The Jews worship the God of the Old Testament before Christ.
- Lawyerlady

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That was the point I was trying to make regarding Islam and Christians believing in the same God. The Muslims are like the Jews in that they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Instead, unlike the Jews and the Christians, they believe Mohamed to be God's promised Prophet. They still believe the God of Abraham is their God, just as Jews and Christians believe the God of Abraham is the God of Jews and Christians accordingly.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You seem to have missed the ENTIRE Old Testament. God is not 'tolerant" of false religions and idols. God is not "tolerant" of those going by the wayside.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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I apologize that I didn't address this first. I thought I'd left off on page 3 when I logged out on Friday, not 2.

I don't recall ever saying God was tolerant of false religions. I said God loves us all equally, and I believe that he does. Just like a parent though, he still punishes his children when they misbehave. That punishment doesn't negate the love, does it? Does it negate your love for your children when you punish them for their misbehavior?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
You seem to have missed the ENTIRE Old Testament. God is not 'tolerant" of false religions and idols. God is not "tolerant" of those going by the wayside.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

______________________________

I apologize that I didn't address this first. I thought I'd left off on page 3 when I logged out on Friday, not 2.

I don't recall ever saying God was tolerant of false religions. I said God loves us all equally, and I believe that he does. Just like a parent though, he still punishes his children when they misbehave. That punishment doesn't negate the love, does it? Does it negate your love for your children when you punish them for their misbehavior?

I agree. God is no respecter of persons. But, as you so aptly put it, going astray is not without it's consequences.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Husker - this is a thread about the difference between Islam and Christianity. You can sit there are argue semantics all day long. The Jews worship the God of the Old Testament before Christ.
- Lawyerlady

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That was the point I was trying to make regarding Islam and Christians believing in the same God. The Muslims are like the Jews in that they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Instead, unlike the Jews and the Christians, they believe Mohamed to be God's promised Prophet. They still believe the God of Abraham is their God, just as Jews and Christians believe the God of Abraham is the God of Jews and Christians accordingly.

Islam is a false religion. They are worshipping Mohammed over Christ.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
Husker - this is a thread about the difference between Islam and Christianity. You can sit there are argue semantics all day long. The Jews worship the God of the Old Testament before Christ.
- Lawyerlady

_________________________________

That was the point I was trying to make regarding Islam and Christians believing in the same God. The Muslims are like the Jews in that they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Instead, unlike the Jews and the Christians, they believe Mohamed to be God's promised Prophet. They still believe the God of Abraham is their God, just as Jews and Christians believe the God of Abraham is the God of Jews and Christians accordingly.
Islam is a false religion. They are worshipping Mohammed over Christ.

They don't worship Mohammed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Quaran denies that Jesus is the Son of God and that he rose from the dead and died for our sins. It's a false religion.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The Quaran denies that Jesus is the Son of God and that he rose from the dead and died for our sins. It's a false religion.

I don't disagree--but then, the Jews deny those exact same things, also.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, and they do not have a saving faith. However, that isn't to say there isn't a lot of Truth in their teachings.

huskerbb · Guru

Sure, but from a Christian point of view, you can probably find some truth in buddhism, too.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, but Christianity is the fulfillment of the promises of Judaism.