TOTALLY GEEKED!

cadiver · Senior Member

This wont get ugly: Trump and Abortion

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I can't believe no one posted this yet.

And I have never heard the phrase "walked back" in terms of a statement.

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Whoa wait. He was asked, if it were illegal, should women be punished, the lib media wasn't giving the context. Of course law breakers should face consequences.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

But, in THIS case, that was NOT the impression I got from listening to him blather on. It wasn't part of a "tough on crime" stance.

And then his campaign was forced into damage control.

flan

cadiver · Senior Member

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Whoa wait. He was asked, if it were illegal, should women be punished, the lib media wasn't giving the context. Of course law breakers should face consequences.

Yeah.

What was wrong with what I posted or what was in the media? It was clear that the question was about if abortion was made illegal.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.

Exactly. I'm actually a little surprised he didn't just bluntly say he doesn't care. There are more important issues at hand. I would give him a big high-five if he did. I am so sick of abortion being part of the campaigns.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.
Exactly. I'm actually a little surprised he didn't just bluntly say he doesn't care. There are more important issues at hand. I would give him a big high-five if he did. I am so sick of abortion being part of the campaigns.

I wouldn't go that far, but it would be a refreshing change.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

I don't think he cares all that much about this issue. That's why the evangelicals support Cruz.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Abortion is just one thing that needs to go back to the states authority.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Abortion is not a presidential issue. It's between the states and the Supreme Court. I'm so sick of hearing about it in federal elections.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Me, too.

So many things the federal government has no business messing with.

FNW · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.
Exactly. I'm actually a little surprised he didn't just bluntly say he doesn't care. There are more important issues at hand. I would give him a big high-five if he did. I am so sick of abortion being part of the campaigns.

I am too. Unless I'm missing something, the Supreme Court has spoken, and unless another case comes all the way up which would overturn Roe, it's not going to change. Why do people buy this lib crap? I think Trump should have been better prepared for the interview, however, and should not have given so much of his time to one of the most liberal reporters who as every one knows, has a bone to pick with Trump already.

huskerbb · Guru

I agree that it's really not an issue in general for federal elections--but I would not be in favor of some states making it illegal and others not.

In general terms, if it's a crime in one state it should be a crime in all. At least any crime that jail time would be a possible punishment.

FNW · Guru

If a state enacts a law that contradicts Roe, it will be thrown out.

huskerbb · Guru

FNW wrote:
If a state enacts a law that contradicts Roe, it will be thrown out.

That's a bit of a matter of opinion, though. Many states have enacted laws to place limits on abortion. The pro-death crowd thinks they all contradict Roe, the pro-life crowd thinks none of them do.

The he court is mixed--and can change over time. It will be decidedly more unfavorable to such laws with Scalia gone.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

He may have just found his way out of this election.

cadiver · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.

That was what the criticism was, that the first response was not the republican line. The line is not to punish the women.

Seeing arguments here that surprised me. I would think the line was if it is illegal both parties would be punished.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

cadiver wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Trump doesn't really care about abortion. He's just trying to tow the republican line.
That was what the criticism was, that the first response was not the republican line. The line is not to punish the women.

Seeing arguments here that surprised me. I would think the line was if it is illegal both parties would be punished.

That is what I think. But I think the doctors should be punished more harshly. It can't happen without the doctors and the doctors are held to higher standards - they require education and licensing.

huskerbb · Guru

Saying that you want to have consequences for illegal acts is not the same thing as saying you want to make things illegal.

What is the point of having laws if there are no consequences for breaking them?

weltschmerz · Guru

All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.

Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.

Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?

You seem to do that a lot.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.

Only when responding to complete nonsense.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.
Only when responding to complete nonsense.

See the minimum wage thread and the military.

When I backed up what others have been saying, you had a hissy fit over MY posts.

It's cute.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.
Only when responding to complete nonsense.
See the minimum wage thread and the military.
When I backed up what others have been saying, you had a hissy fit over MY posts.
It's cute.

I saw that thread. You are not the only one I responded to , snowflake.

I responded to you twice, tangerine 3 times, and jlbear once. You aren't special, just wrong way more often.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 31st of March 2016 06:01:36 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.
Only when responding to complete nonsense.
See the minimum wage thread and the military.
When I backed up what others have been saying, you had a hissy fit over MY posts.
It's cute.
I saw that thread. You are not the only one I responded to , snowflake.

Read it again. You responded to others, but I was the only one you were so nasty to, snowflake.

I'm glad to know I get under your skin so badly.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.
Only when responding to complete nonsense.
See the minimum wage thread and the military.
When I backed up what others have been saying, you had a hissy fit over MY posts.
It's cute.
I saw that thread. You are not the only one I responded to , snowflake.
Read it again. You responded to others, but I was the only one you were so nasty to, snowflake.
I'm glad to know I get under your skin so badly.

I read it. see above.

weltschmerz · Guru

My posts were the only ones you called "foolish", even though others were saying the exact same thing.
Thanks for playing, and have a nice day.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Sigh, well the good debate thing lasted 7 hours. I wonder what happened at the 7th hour mark? Hmmm...

weltschmerz · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Sigh, well the good debate thing lasted 7 hours. I wonder what happened at the 7th hour mark? Hmmm...

This is what happened.

'"Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement. "

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
My posts were the only ones you called "foolish", even though others were saying the exact same thing.
Thanks for playing, and have a nice day.

They were foolish.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.

I didn't say that is all he does. I said that's what he is doing on this issue.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
All he does is toe the Republican line.
I don't think he believes any of it.
He was pro-choice earlier, and supported Planned Parenthood.
He claimed to be a member of a church, but the church denied it.
He claimed bringing jobs back to America is important to him, yet had his clothing line made in Mexico and China.I guess there are no sewing machines in the USA.
Wow. You clearly don't pay attention. He does not "toe" the Republican line. That is why they hate him. To say he does is a flat out ignorant statement.
Lol! Did you get your nose out of joint when LL said the same thing?
You seem to do that a lot.
I didn't say that is all he does. I said that's what he is doing on this issue.

Exactly.

Tinydancer · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Sigh, well the good debate thing lasted 7 hours. I wonder what happened at the 7th hour mark? Hmmm...

Without welts I'd be the only daily drama...

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Tinydancer wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Sigh, well the good debate thing lasted 7 hours. I wonder what happened at the 7th hour mark? Hmmm...
Without welts I'd be the only daily drama...

True dat

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

So this is not about Trump per se. but I need to say that I had a heart to heart with DD last night. I was watching the NJ Trump rally and DD told me that she knows of girls in school that had abortions and such. Abortion topic came up in the rally briefly. This was a very hard conversation. I remember being 15 and selfish. But I did tell her that adoption is always an option and that some infertile couple will be so happy plus I told her that taking away abortion is not taking female rights away but is also giving those female babies rights. I hope my statements take.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It's a big subject, that's for sure.

I'm sure she not only listened, but actually heard you.

Lindley · Guru

That was a perfect response IKWTD.

FNW · Guru

It is a hard subject. I remember being her age and a couple of my friends had had them as well. I don't judge, but I know I couldn't do it. I made sure I went on the pill before I became active. And as a benefit it gave me easier periods without cramping so it was a win-win.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

To me it boils down to one thing. Is it a baby and human being or it is not? If it is, then it really doesnt' matter the circumstances of how that human being got there. A baby that is the byproduct of rape or incest is a human being as well as wanted child. However, if abortion were limited to those instances, then that would really minimize the amount of abortions that are happening.

Lindley · Guru

At one time it was and it was a sobering hard decision, at least from the stories from those who had gone through it, now there are late terms abortions with state legislators applauding, smiling and giving high fives to each other for passing a bill to terminate a baby up to birth. Some wackos even said a mother should be able to decide to let her newborn baby die a few days after birth. I remember when they said late term will never happen, close to being born will never happen.

Some are promoting “shout out your abortion” and other absurd slogans like it’s a wonderful thing. These same people will protect tooth n nail or a baby eagle before hatching and after but, couldn’t careless if a innocent unborn baby is killed, yet those who are pro life are called hitlers...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

In my upbringing, abortion was never an option. Period.

If you had sex, then you made the choice of taking on all responsibility of that.

Rape and incest, while everyone knew it could, and did happen, was so rare, it wasn't even considered.

I raised my kids with the same understanding.

I was taught, and I taught my kids, that your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear.

Talking to kids about sex, reproduction, consequences, abortion, any of it, is difficult, but we have to do it.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)

Who is going to speak, for the unborn children?

They have no voice.

They need laws, to protect them.

JMHO.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)

Tig once you introduce a baby into your body it is no longer just "your" body it is your baby's body as well. Just because having a baby may be inconvenient for you (collective you) does not justify killing another human.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)
Tig once you introduce a baby into your body it is no longer just "your" body it is your baby's body as well. Just because having a baby may be inconvenient for you (collective you) does not justify killing another human.

True - but others have other views. By making a law that women cannot choose abortion are we not taking away their 'sole right and responsibility'?

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Tignanello wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)
Tig once you introduce a baby into your body it is no longer just "your" body it is your baby's body as well. Just because having a baby may be inconvenient for you (collective you) does not justify killing another human.
True - but others have other views. By making a law that women cannot choose abortion are we not taking away their 'sole right and responsibility'?

No. Make them, responsible.

Once you make the choice, to get pregnant...now, you have another life, on board.

And, that baby has a right, to life.

There should never be an option, for murder.

That's what abortion is. Murder, of a child, who has no voice.

It's so sad, that some folks, can find a way to justify it.

It makes me sad. cry

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Tignanello wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)
Tig once you introduce a baby into your body it is no longer just "your" body it is your baby's body as well. Just because having a baby may be inconvenient for you (collective you) does not justify killing another human.
True - but others have other views. By making a law that women cannot choose abortion are we not taking away their 'sole right and responsibility'?

No. If a person is truly self responsible, then they will take the steps prevent pregnancy.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
your body is your responsibility. You have the sole right and responsibility to care for it, make decisions about your life, and understand any repercussions or consequences were your own to bear

If this is true, why are we fighting about laws? Shouldn't laws be kept out of it and individuals be free to make their own decisions about their own life? (my views on abortion aside - curious about how supporting or fighing for laws = sole right and responsibility)
Tig once you introduce a baby into your body it is no longer just "your" body it is your baby's body as well. Just because having a baby may be inconvenient for you (collective you) does not justify killing another human.
True - but others have other views. By making a law that women cannot choose abortion are we not taking away their 'sole right and responsibility'?
No. If a person is truly self responsible, then they will take the steps prevent pregnancy.

So, by that logic, if they do not prevent pregnancy they lose their rights and responsibilities and the ability to make decisions about their lives?