TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

Men Only’ Barbershop Must Serve Transgender Man

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
These are going to be my final words. I can't stand to live another day, so I'm committing suicide. The biggest reason why I've decided to do this is because I'm transgender. For those of you that unsure of what that means, it means that even though I was born in a male body, I am and have always been female. I've known I was female for as far back as I can remember. This caused me to become severely depressed from a very young age. From a very young age I was told that people like me are freaks and abominations, that we are sick in the head and society hates us. This made me hate who I was. I tried so hard to be just like everyone else but this isn't something you can change.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/3oquaq/the_last_words_of_a_transgender_woman/

She killed herself.

If you have to have everyone approve of and understand all of your life's choices to not commit suicide, well that is never going to happen and has never happened .

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?

OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.

Right?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
No one killed her. She killed herself. I just cant muscle up the pity for the choices she made...

Heartless much?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
No one killed her. She killed herself. I just cant muscle up the pity for the choices she made...
Heartless much?
flan

Victim much?

Tinydancer

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
That's very sad. It's awful that his/her mind didn't match her body but that's exactly what happened. Blame the whole world if that makes it easier for you but it's not the rest of the world that did it.
Nah, it wasn't the constant put-downs and name-calling. It wasn't because of being called a freak, a degenerate, an abomination all her life.
That's really a lame excuse.
People are called names ALL. THE. TIME. Over all kinds of things.
No. It isn't right to call names.
But you can not pretend to be something you are not and then get mad when someone points it out.

They're NOT pretending. They are HUMAN BEINGS.

The ugliness here never ceases to amaze me.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

HUMAN BEINGS who are confused and mentally ill. No matter how you spin it a man has a penis a woman has a vagina. Obviously it's a mental illness if their BRAIN doesn't match their BODY.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
These are going to be my final words. I can't stand to live another day, so I'm committing suicide. The biggest reason why I've decided to do this is because I'm transgender. For those of you that unsure of what that means, it means that even though I was born in a male body, I am and have always been female. I've known I was female for as far back as I can remember. This caused me to become severely depressed from a very young age. From a very young age I was told that people like me are freaks and abominations, that we are sick in the head and society hates us. This made me hate who I was. I tried so hard to be just like everyone else but this isn't something you can change.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/3oquaq/the_last_words_of_a_transgender_woman/

She killed herself.
If you have to have everyone approve of and understand all of your life's choices to not commit suicide, well that is never going to happen and has never happened .

You are missing the point.

It's not "teen angst" or anything else. Society sees LGBT people as FREAKS. Strangers feel they have the right to mock. This thread is a perfect example.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?

So how many trans people DO you know?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?
So how many trans people DO you know?
flan

Because of course you and welts know soooooo many. You are precious flan...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Friday 1st of April 2016 08:04:21 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Enough with the "freak" crap. It does not further your argument, and it's mean. They are mentally ill. What, did you pick on the retarded kids in school, too?

THANK YOU.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

welts' question has not yet been answered.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Was it a stupid question?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ok, so if they know a trans person, then what? Is that like saying "some of my best friends are black"? Or trans?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You are never going to change my mind. It is a mental illness.
That has nothing to do with the issue at hand. He didn't refuse her because she's transgender - he refused her because she is a biological woman.

This was in response to weltz's post just above yours.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I am not even thinking about the woman being Transgender.

I am saying it's a private business.

It's been there serving only men for this long.

And along come Sally trouble maker and now that business will probably close.

Why did she choose THAT barbershop?

There are probably ten on that street.

What's next? Grocer hates women b/c of his stupid ex-wife and decides to refuse to sell them food? Or how about men that don't think girls should be educated, refuse to teach them? And you know, men can no longer get manicures just because they are men.
It's STUPID. You don't refuse to cut someone's hair because they have a vagina.
You are missing the point.
No, I'm not. You have missed it all along. You don't discriminate against people because they are female. This isn't the 1800s.
What? Have you converted to Islam and forgot to tell us?

This is my opinion.

I don't think the woman went in for a haircut.

I think she went in to start trouble

I don't believe private business should be made to serve anyone.

That is my opinion.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree. It isnt about needing a haircut. He/she can get a haircut pretty much whereever. Not the end of the world if someone won't cut your hair. Most of these people are out there seeking to be offended so they can call Gloria Allred and slap on a big lawsuit.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.

LOL!!!

Ok. So now I can imagine Thomas the Tank Engine, on a couch, talking about the track he is on.

Sorry, that just struck me as funny.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
That's very sad. It's awful that his/her mind didn't match her body but that's exactly what happened. Blame the whole world if that makes it easier for you but it's not the rest of the world that did it.
Nah, it wasn't the constant put-downs and name-calling. It wasn't because of being called a freak, a degenerate, an abomination all her life.
That's really a lame excuse.
People are called names ALL. THE. TIME. Over all kinds of things.
No. It isn't right to call names.
But you can not pretend to be something you are not and then get mad when someone points it out.
They're NOT pretending. They are HUMAN BEINGS.
The ugliness here never ceases to amaze me.
flan

Yes. They are pretending to be something they are not.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Enough with the "freak" crap. It does not further your argument, and it's mean. They are mentally ill. What, did you pick on the retarded kids in school, too?

Using the word "retarded" isn't much better. But I appreciate what you are trying to say.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?
So how many trans people DO you know?
flan

How many do you know, Flannie?

Tinydancer · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?
So how many trans people DO you know?
flan
How many do you know, Flannie?

I asked that same question but it's flan and we both know she never actually answers a direct question.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Why would you turn away a paying customer? Cutting someones hair is not promoting (unlike baking a cake for a same sex wedding) anything but haircuts.
- Tinydancer

____________________________

It's the same thing as the cake issue. They want to refuse their publicly offered service.

Tinydancer · Guru

No one is cutting your hair. The other is helping you celebrate a marriage that the Bible tells me is wrong.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Wow, two pages. I get my hair cut at a barbershop.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?
So how many trans people DO you know?
flan
Because of course you and welts know soooooo many. You are precious flan...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Friday 1st of April 2016 08:04:21 PM

I know quite a few. This city is very LGBT-friendly. I work with some, had a trans friend babysit my son when he was little.

He was an AMAZING sitter.

If you actually get to know them, you don't look at them as freaks and abominations. You see them as people.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Enough with the "freak" crap. It does not further your argument, and it's mean. They are mentally ill. What, did you pick on the retarded kids in school, too?
Using the word "retarded" isn't much better. But I appreciate what you are trying to say.

Retarded is a medically correct term. I can't help that people use it as an insult.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
No they are unhappy because they have a mental illness. Their mind won't believe their bodies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you study psychiatry?
How many trans people do you know?
OH, here we go! Welts is the resident EXPERT and a licensed train Pyschiatrist, well except she isn't. Or something.
Right?
So how many trans people DO you know?
flan
Because of course you and welts know soooooo many. You are precious flan...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Friday 1st of April 2016 08:04:21 PM
I know quite a few. This city is very LGBT-friendly. I work with some, had a trans friend babysit my son when he was little.
He was an AMAZING sitter.
If you actually get to know them, you don't look at them as freaks and abominations. You see them as people.

That's PRECISELY my point.

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I know two trans people, know of several more. There are quite a few around town.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I am not even thinking about the woman being Transgender.

I am saying it's a private business.

It's been there serving only men for this long.

And along come Sally trouble maker and now that business will probably close.

Why did she choose THAT barbershop?

There are probably ten on that street.

What's next? Grocer hates women b/c of his stupid ex-wife and decides to refuse to sell them food? Or how about men that don't think girls should be educated, refuse to teach them? And you know, men can no longer get manicures just because they are men.
It's STUPID. You don't refuse to cut someone's hair because they have a vagina.
You are missing the point.
No, I'm not. You have missed it all along. You don't discriminate against people because they are female. This isn't the 1800s.
What? Have you converted to Islam and forgot to tell us?
This is my opinion.
I don't think the woman went in for a haircut.
I think she went in to start trouble
I don't believe private business should be made to serve anyone.
That is my opinion.

Kinda like the way Rosa Parks started trouble on that bus...

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Enough with the "freak" crap. It does not further your argument, and it's mean. They are mentally ill. What, did you pick on the retarded kids in school, too?
Using the word "retarded" isn't much better. But I appreciate what you are trying to say.
Retarded is a medically correct term. I can't help that people use it as an insult.

No it isn't. It was once, but it is not any longer. It is an offensive term that is no longer used by the medical, psychiatric, or educational communities. Developmentally delayed is preferred.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.

Which was disputed by many parents be "intellectual disability" does not really describe the issue. Just another PC ridiculousness. And that hardly matters when I am 45 years old and that was the medical term for almost my entire life. I realize people don't like it, but when it is used properly to describe the mental capacity of disabled people, you just really need to get over it.

And btw- I have a mentally retarded sister. That was the medical diagnosis.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 2nd of April 2016 10:01:07 AM

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.
Which was disputed by many parents be "intellectual disability" does not really describe the issue. Just another PC ridiculousness. And that hardly matters when I am 45 years old and that was the medical term for almost my entire life. I realize people don't like it, but when it is used properly to describe the mental capacity of disabled people, you just really need to get over it.

And btw- I have a mentally retarded sister. That was the medical diagnosis.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 2nd of April 2016 10:01:07 AM

And since the N word was once used and was widely accepted I guess we should all just use that word too. We learn from our past. When we know better, we should do better.

Ohfour · Hooker

Oh Lord, more PC bullschitt. A word hurts your feelings so no one is allowed to say it. Grow up.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.
Which was disputed by many parents be "intellectual disability" does not really describe the issue. Just another PC ridiculousness. And that hardly matters when I am 45 years old and that was the medical term for almost my entire life. I realize people don't like it, but when it is used properly to describe the mental capacity of disabled people, you just really need to get over it.

And btw- I have a mentally retarded sister. That was the medical diagnosis.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 2nd of April 2016 10:01:07 AM
And since the N word was once used and was widely accepted I guess we should all just use that word too. We learn from our past. When we know better, we should do better.

No, ****** was never a medically accepted proper word.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Even my children know the difference between using a word properly and using it as an insult.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My 90 year old great grandparents used the "N" word and negro.
Why? Because that was the words that was acceptable their whole life.

Did my parents and cousins and the rest of us? No. We knew better.

But no way was I going to correct them. They didn't mean anything by it.

It was an adjective. Like big, blue, happy, or any other.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
My 90 year old great grandparents used the "N" word and negro.
Why? Because that was the words that was acceptable their whole life.

Did my parents and cousins and the rest of us? No. We knew better.

But no way was I going to correct them. They didn't mean anything by it.

It was an adjective. Like big, blue, happy, or any other.

Wow...You DO understand that "ugly" is an adjective too?

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 3rd of April 2016 04:39:32 AM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.
Which was disputed by many parents be "intellectual disability" does not really describe the issue. Just another PC ridiculousness. And that hardly matters when I am 45 years old and that was the medical term for almost my entire life. I realize people don't like it, but when it is used properly to describe the mental capacity of disabled people, you just really need to get over it.

And btw- I have a mentally retarded sister. That was the medical diagnosis.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Saturday 2nd of April 2016 10:01:07 AM

Well, I'm older than you & I have a brother with developmental delays. The word "retarded" was never used by any doctor, teacher or counselor.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Are you seriously trying to argue that "mentally retarded" was not a medical term? Really?

You have allowed ugly people to bastardize and ruin words. NOT using them correctly is what allows that to happen. And jumping all over someone using it correctly is damn stupid.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Are you seriously trying to argue that "mentally retarded" was not a medical term? Really?

You have allowed ugly people to bastardize and ruin words. NOT using them correctly is what allows that to happen. And jumping all over someone using it correctly is damn stupid.

Past tense.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

*eyeroll*

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
It was removed from the DSM in 2013. Any doctor who uses the word is not up to speed with the latest information and is pretty callous. The word had fallen out of favor long before it was finally removed.

No eyeroll needed.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You are totally missing the point. I did not use it in a derogatory manner. The PC police can step down or bite my ass, I don't care which one.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The point is that it is NO longer an accepted medical term. No judgment, just a factual statement.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Flan, people still use the term "MR", even in professional circles. So, if you want to have some issue with that, then i guess you may. Not sure how 'intellectual disability or delay' is less "offensive" versus mental retardation. And, if you don't think kids will find a way to make that a slur, you are deluding yourself.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Flan, people still use the term "MR", even in professional circles. So, if you want to have some issue with that, then i guess you may. Not sure how 'intellectual disability or delay' is less "offensive" versus mental retardation. And, if you don't think kids will find a way to make that a slur, you are deluding yourself.

I'm not a doctor or nurse, so I wouldn't know.

And, yes, my kids used that as a slur & were immediately corrected.

If you (general you) can't see how it is offensive, I can't help there.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't call people names, other than liberals. But, you CHOOSE to be a liberal so yeah, i can pick on that nonsense, lol. But, no my kids do not use offensive terms, name call or use slurs. However, the Left chooses to pretty much deem everything a slur when it is simply speech they don't like. And, many of them can't tell the difference between someone giving an opinion they don't like about policy and someone using a slur. And, there is plenty of slurring going on all over the place. It is socially acceptable to also make fun of " rednecks", small town America, Christians and on and on. So, you kind of need to look in your own mirrors and remove your own 2x4's before removing someone else's speck.