TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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This was not NEGLECT. Neglect because mom "might not have been able to reach them in time to avoid something happening" is DUMB. Otherwise, letting your kid play on the other side of the playground, or even in the outfield would qualify as neglect.

NEGLECT is when kids are not provided the basics of food, clothing, shelter, education, and supervision. She was THERE and supervising. She doesn't have to be in REACH. The nanny government strikes again.

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 How OLD were the kids?

flan

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 SCHOOL AGE.  Which is old enough to walk to school with mother supervising.

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 That COULD mean 5 and 7. Kids mature at different rates. Factor in the length of the walk...3 1/2 miles...

flan

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 So what?  That's old enough to walk to school when mom could see them.  

flan327 wrote:

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You get to decide for your children.

3 1/2 miles and a road with heavy traffic...those are factors to be considered.

flan

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 A rural country highway is not the same as an interstate.  And 3 1/2 miles.  I walk that everyday, and JoJo can easily outwalk me - she's 5. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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The cop also cited "cold weather" as a reason for the neglect. You know what the low temps were in Chattanooga last week?

Let's just go with the lows at 6am -

Monday the 28th, low was 52.
Tuesday the 29th, low was 41.
Wednesday the 30th, low was 43.
Thursday the 1st, low was 63.
Friday the 2nd, low was 50.


It's amazing they didn't get frostbitten.  

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/chattanooga/historic

 

 

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 Do you know how they were dressed?

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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The cop also cited "cold weather" as a reason for the neglect. You know what the low temps were in Chattanooga last week?

Let's just go with the lows at 6am -

Monday the 28th, low was 52.
Tuesday the 29th, low was 41.
Wednesday the 30th, low was 43.
Thursday the 1st, low was 63.
Friday the 2nd, low was 50.


It's amazing they didn't get frostbitten.  

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/chattanooga/historic

 

 

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 Do you know how they were dressed?

flan

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 Do you?  

And if those were the lows at 6 am, they were probably a couple of degrees higher by the time they were late for school.   

A crime requires proof of guilt, not proof of innocence. 

I see so many young adults that are soft and can't figure anything out. And some of the parents s are my age. We were raised different so I don't get it.
We are raising a generation on ninnies.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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You get to decide for your children.

3 1/2 miles and a road with heavy traffic...those are factors to be considered.

flan

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 A rural country highway is not the same as an interstate.  And 3 1/2 miles.  I walk that everyday, and JoJo can easily outwalk me - she's 5. 

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 Walking WITH your child is a CHOICE.

flan

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 So is teaching your kid a valuable lesson.  

Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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But THIS is the "lesson" those kids were ultimately taught:

Palmer also didn't have a valid driver's license and since she wasn't allowed to drive the children to school, her husband Brandon and his father, Douglas Palmer were called.

When the two men arrived, officers asked them for a valid driver's license.

Douglas Palmer refused and began to argue with officers.

Ladd said Douglas Palmer then grabbed at his waist, where the officer said he saw a fixed-blade knife in a sheath and after a struggle ensued, he was disarmed and arrested, according to the Free Press.

flan

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Because the cops interfered with her perfectly legal parenting... 

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 And there was NO REASON to ask for the FIL's ID.  None.  We don't live in a police state, he had every right to refuse.  Police need PROBABLE CAUSE for that kind of thing.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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That's not the issue we're discussing. We're discussing whether having your kids walk to school is neglect. Because, otherwise, none of the rest would have happened at all.

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We are discussing the OP. And I have ALREADY given you several factors that should influence a parent's decision.

flan

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 So?  She was there, and she decided it was the best decision for her children.  

flan327 wrote:

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You get to decide for your children.

3 1/2 miles and a road with heavy traffic...those are factors to be considered.

flan

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 And so should this mother.  

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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That's not the issue we're discussing. We're discussing whether having your kids walk to school is neglect. Because, otherwise, none of the rest would have happened at all.

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We are discussing the OP. And I have ALREADY given you several factors that should influence a parent's decision.

flan

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 So?  She was there, and she decided it was the best decision for her children.  

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 Well, considering the fact that she also thought it was fine & dandy to drive without a license...

flan

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 So one bad decision that has nothing to do with parenting completely negates the right to make parenting decisions?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I've got to go renew my license this week. They expired in February.

But.

Georgia law says I got up to two years.

I did drive on an expired license for almost 3 years. I didn't realize it was expired at the time.

This was HER choice. She made this decision.

While I might have chosen another method, this was her method.

There is WAY too much interference from outside sources when raising kids.

If the outside would back off, we'd all be better off.

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 We make problems where there are no problems.

No sidewalks....

just Czech wrote:

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Wow, a bunch of interfering ninnies, IMHO.
The kids were fine and never in danger. What the hell is wrong with allowing a parent to parent. Oh, wait... it will offend the perpetually offended morons that have invaded the logical world. These same morons are complaining that kids don't get enough exercise too.

Kids here walk a mile or more to and from school daily. What the heck is wrong with that? Nothing.

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 Is there heavy traffic? What is the speed limit?

flan

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flan327 wrote:

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NO, NOT THE STREET IN THE OP.

Learn to read.

flan

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 Then why was it posted?  Just some random street?  I can read just fine--but there was no context posted with that picture.  

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 There is context posted. Are you not able to read? 

I actually agree with flan on that (gasp) (omg husker too) but I stand behind it. Each circumstance is different but I won't judge that mother for trying to give a lesson. Even if she isn't perfect like some people would like to believe they are.

Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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I was just pointing out that i would not let my 5 year old walk on a street less than .10 of a mile from my house. And you can't walk in the yards. Most of the people in that street have dogs...

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 But that is YOUR decision--and this parent should have every right to make her own decision regarding what streets she might let her children walk on. 

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 Totally agree. Just pointing out that 3 miles to school may not be as safe a trip as some people would like to believe. 

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 But whether it is or isn't should not be our call--nor should it be a police matter.