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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Mother of 3 found Dead in Suv. Children in car with her body for 3 days.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If sane people snap and do what she did - it's evil.

You are not allowed to do that to your children for any reason and be excused for it. NONE.
It's not evil, LL.
She's sick. She lost her mind, and killed herself.
She never meant to harm her children. If she did, they would be dead. She would have killed them, first.
(Susan Smith, come to mind? She planned, and killed her children. And, she's still alive. I hope she never gets out of jail.)
I really don't think Christine Woo, meant any harm to her children.
She was a good Mom, who had a mental break down.

She left her kids in a hot car with no provisions. She was most definitely NOT a good mom. She was an ultimate loser.
No, Oh4.
If she had wanted her kids to die a miserable death in a hot car in Texas, she would have done this in June, July or August.
I don't think she planned this, at all.
I don't think she had the mental capacity to plan it.

Soooo, she snapped, couldn't think, but gets credit for knowing it would not being hot enough to kill the kids over 3 days?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

She left her phone at home. She knew what she was doing when she left the house. With the kids.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
She left her phone at home. She knew what she was doing when she left the house. With the kids.

I forget my phone at least once a week.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If sane people snap and do what she did - it's evil.

You are not allowed to do that to your children for any reason and be excused for it. NONE.
It's not evil, LL.
She's sick. She lost her mind, and killed herself.
She never meant to harm her children. If she did, they would be dead. She would have killed them, first.
(Susan Smith, come to mind? She planned, and killed her children. And, she's still alive. I hope she never gets out of jail.)
I really don't think Christine Woo, meant any harm to her children.
She was a good Mom, who had a mental break down.

She left her kids in a hot car with no provisions. She was most definitely NOT a good mom. She was an ultimate loser.
How's the air up there?
flan
Obviously better than the hell you live with every day....
LMAO
flan
You are the saddest and most miserable person I know.
Coming from you, that's a compliment.
And I'm sick of your personal insults, as I'm sure everyone else is. Do you need another vacation?
flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
She left her phone at home. She knew what she was doing when she left the house. With the kids.
I forget my phone at least once a week.
flan

But you didn't also buy sleeping pills, park your car in an out of the way spot, cover your windows, trap the kids in the car, and kill yourself.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If sane people snap and do what she did - it's evil.

You are not allowed to do that to your children for any reason and be excused for it. NONE.
It's not evil, LL.
She's sick. She lost her mind, and killed herself.
She never meant to harm her children. If she did, they would be dead. She would have killed them, first.
(Susan Smith, come to mind? She planned, and killed her children. And, she's still alive. I hope she never gets out of jail.)
I really don't think Christine Woo, meant any harm to her children.
She was a good Mom, who had a mental break down.

She left her kids in a hot car with no provisions. She was most definitely NOT a good mom. She was an ultimate loser.
No, Oh4.
If she had wanted her kids to die a miserable death in a hot car in Texas, she would have done this in June, July or August.
I don't think she planned this, at all.
I don't think she had the mental capacity to plan it.
Soooo, she snapped, couldn't think, but gets credit for knowing it would not being hot enough to kill the kids over 3 days?

Nope.

She snapped at a lucky time of year, for those children.

I don't think she planned any of this, in advance.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I have to disagree. Her actions appear very calculated.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If sane people snap and do what she did - it's evil.

You are not allowed to do that to your children for any reason and be excused for it. NONE.
It's not evil, LL.
She's sick. She lost her mind, and killed herself.
She never meant to harm her children. If she did, they would be dead. She would have killed them, first.
(Susan Smith, come to mind? She planned, and killed her children. And, she's still alive. I hope she never gets out of jail.)
I really don't think Christine Woo, meant any harm to her children.
She was a good Mom, who had a mental break down.

She left her kids in a hot car with no provisions. She was most definitely NOT a good mom. She was an ultimate loser.
How's the air up there?
flan
Obviously better than the hell you live with every day....
LMAO
flan
You are the saddest and most miserable person I know.
Coming from you, that's a compliment.
And I'm sick of your personal insults, as I'm sure everyone else is. Do you need another vacation?
flan

Everyone?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I still want to know how many sleeping pills she bought.

How many stores did she have to go to?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I have to disagree. Her actions appear very calculated.

Absolutely.....

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I have to disagree. Her actions appear very calculated.

They really don't, LL.

Not from what I have read.

And, not from what the police have found during their investigation.

They can't find any signs of premeditation, in either case.

For sure, the police don't think she had any intention, of hurting/killing her children.

And, they don't think she planned to kill herself. Not in advance.

She did it...without much, if any planning.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The second she bought that first bottle of pills, she had a plan.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.

I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
She left her phone at home. She knew what she was doing when she left the house. With the kids.
I forget my phone at least once a week.
flan
But you didn't also buy sleeping pills, park your car in an out of the way spot, cover your windows, trap the kids in the car, and kill yourself.

Don't forget that someone Flan's or my age are not tied to their phone as in life line. The younger folks are. And life line is the key term. She left it behind for a reason.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I have to disagree. Her actions appear very calculated.

AS I said before, we want to believe the best in people, but many times we are just wrong.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.

I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.

I don't think she was an evil person.

I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.

I don't know, for sure.

I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.

What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.

I will continue to pray, for all of them.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.

IKWTDS, I don't think she had the mental capacity, to realize that she was putting her children in danger.

She might not have even known, that they were in the car, with her.

I think she lost it.

Again, JMHO. I refuse to call her a devil.

I hope that God will have mercy, on her soul.

I know that I will pray for her. And her children/husband/family.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If sane people snap and do what she did - it's evil.

You are not allowed to do that to your children for any reason and be excused for it. NONE.
It's not evil, LL.
She's sick. She lost her mind, and killed herself.
She never meant to harm her children. If she did, they would be dead. She would have killed them, first.
(Susan Smith, come to mind? She planned, and killed her children. And, she's still alive. I hope she never gets out of jail.)
I really don't think Christine Woo, meant any harm to her children.
She was a good Mom, who had a mental break down.

She left her kids in a hot car with no provisions. She was most definitely NOT a good mom. She was an ultimate loser.
No, Oh4.
If she had wanted her kids to die a miserable death in a hot car in Texas, she would have done this in June, July or August.
I don't think she planned this, at all.
I don't think she had the mental capacity to plan it.
Soooo, she snapped, couldn't think, but gets credit for knowing it would not being hot enough to kill the kids over 3 days?

She's dead. Does it really matter what she does or doesn't get credit for? And, you can all dogpile her character. We dont' know anything about her or her family or her husband or children. If she didn't intend to kill her kids, she came pretty darn close to doing so by having them suffer for days of dehydration in that car. But, calling her a horrible person, etc, i am not sure how that will help her children heal in the future. Will it be easier for them to deal with this by thinking she is just a horrible person? Or, will it be easier for them, if she was an otherwise loving mom, to have simply had a terrible tragic mental health break? I don't know.

As for killing herself, it is really, really difficult to kill yourself with over the counter sleeping pills. I mean, the ingredient that is more likely to harm you is a big tylenol overdose but that literally takes days to shut down your liver. It just seems that there is more here than buying a bottle of tylenol pm.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I agree with Fort Worth Mom. I believe that she just snapped.

It is possible to be logical and do things in a reasonable way even when you have checked out of the Hotel Reality. Especially when we consider that we are seeing it after it was done, and not examining the process from start to finish without knowing what was done in what steps.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have to disagree. Her actions appear very calculated.
They really don't, LL.
Not from what I have read.
And, not from what the police have found during their investigation.
They can't find any signs of premeditation, in either case.
For sure, the police don't think she had any intention, of hurting/killing her children.
And, they don't think she planned to kill herself. Not in advance.
She did it...without much, if any planning.

Lack of a suicide note is not absolution. Not everyone leaves a note.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
She left her phone at home. She knew what she was doing when she left the house. With the kids.
I forget my phone at least once a week.
flan
But you didn't also buy sleeping pills, park your car in an out of the way spot, cover your windows, trap the kids in the car, and kill yourself.
Don't forget that someone Flan's or my age are not tied to their phone as in life line. The younger folks are. And life line is the key term. She left it behind for a reason.

DH always has his phone with him. It has his calendar, alarm, schedule, etc.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.
IKWTDS, I don't think she had the mental capacity, to realize that she was putting her children in danger.
She might not have even known, that they were in the car, with her.
I think she lost it.
Again, JMHO. I refuse to call her a devil.
I hope that God will have mercy, on her soul.
I know that I will pray for her. And her children/husband/family.

Or a bitch. She was a human being, likely in a great deal of pain.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Or she was just so overwhelmed and harried that she forgot it. This may have just been a spur of the moment, impulsive suicide. She was overwhelmed. She forgot her phone just trying to get out the door. At the store, she just made that decision right then and there with no thoughts of the consequences for the kids.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with Fort Worth Mom. I believe that she just snapped.

It is possible to be logical and do things in a reasonable way even when you have checked out of the Hotel Reality. Especially when we consider that we are seeing it after it was done, and not examining the process from start to finish without knowing what was done in what steps.

And the only thing we have to go by is her action. We are not privy to her thoughts. We are not able to see inside her soul.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Flan and Welts....the Patron Saints of Murderers...
Why, yes!
Just because I understand that there's such a thing as a psychotic depression, means I'm all for murderers.
Listen to yourself. You couldn't get more ridiculous.
She tried to kill her kids too. In THE most horribly imaginable way. Just let them rot. Yeah, sounds like someone you would defend...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Friday 22nd of April 2016 06:28:48 PM
You don't know what she tried. You clearly don't understand psychosis. Or transgenderism. Or algebra.

The facts speak for themselves on what she tried to do. There is no way it can be construed that she wasn't trying to harm her kids. If she wasn't, she could have left them somewhere.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with Fort Worth Mom. I believe that she just snapped.

It is possible to be logical and do things in a reasonable way even when you have checked out of the Hotel Reality. Especially when we consider that we are seeing it after it was done, and not examining the process from start to finish without knowing what was done in what steps.
And the only thing we have to go by is her action. We are not privy to her thoughts. We are not able to see inside her soul.
flan

Nothing matters but the actions.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with Fort Worth Mom. I believe that she just snapped.

It is possible to be logical and do things in a reasonable way even when you have checked out of the Hotel Reality. Especially when we consider that we are seeing it after it was done, and not examining the process from start to finish without knowing what was done in what steps.
And the only thing we have to go by is her action. We are not privy to her thoughts. We are not able to see inside her soul.
flan
Nothing matters but the actions.

To YOU.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

To any normal person...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
To any normal person...

And I'm the ONLY person on this thread disagreeing with the judgmental posse...Oh, that's right, I'M NOT.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
To any normal person...
And I'm the ONLY person on this thread disagreeing with the judgmental posse...Oh, that's right, I'M NOT.
flan

I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. I don't need a popular vote to decide my opinion, feelings or thoughts.

In my opinion, this excuse for a human planned to kill herself and her kids.

I think she is scum.

I have no sympathy for the mother. None. I hope those babies forget all about her and this horrific event they survived.

Don't agree with me? I don't give a crap.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.
IKWTDS, I don't think she had the mental capacity, to realize that she was putting her children in danger.
She might not have even known, that they were in the car, with her.
I think she lost it.
Again, JMHO. I refuse to call her a devil.
I hope that God will have mercy, on her soul.
I know that I will pray for her. And her children/husband/family.

There is no basis for that. Up until this point, she had done nothing to show any type of mental incapacity. And she took STEPS. She left her phone, she bought the pills, she took her kids out and strapped them all back into the car, she MOVED THE CAR, she covered the windows. That is NOT just snapping and not realizing what you are doing.

She knew exactly what she was doing.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
To any normal person...
And I'm the ONLY person on this thread disagreeing with the judgmental posse...Oh, that's right, I'M NOT.
flan
I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. I don't need a popular vote to decide my opinion, feelings or thoughts.
In my opinion, this excuse for a human planned to kill herself and her kids.
I think she is scum.
I have no sympathy for the mother. None. I hope those babies forget all about her and this horrific event they survived.
Don't agree with me? I don't give a crap.

And I was TALKING to 04 regarding her latest insult.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
To any normal person...
And I'm the ONLY person on this thread disagreeing with the judgmental posse...Oh, that's right, I'M NOT.
flan
I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. I don't need a popular vote to decide my opinion, feelings or thoughts.
In my opinion, this excuse for a human planned to kill herself and her kids.
I think she is scum.
I have no sympathy for the mother. None. I hope those babies forget all about her and this horrific event they survived.
Don't agree with me? I don't give a crap.

And I was TALKING to 04 regarding her latest insult.
flan

And I was talking to you.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.
IKWTDS, I don't think she had the mental capacity, to realize that she was putting her children in danger.
She might not have even known, that they were in the car, with her.
I think she lost it.
Again, JMHO. I refuse to call her a devil.
I hope that God will have mercy, on her soul.
I know that I will pray for her. And her children/husband/family.
There is no basis for that. Up until this point, she had done nothing to show any type of mental incapacity. And she took STEPS. She left her phone, she bought the pills, she took her kids out and strapped them all back into the car, she MOVED THE CAR, she covered the windows. That is NOT just snapping and not realizing what you are doing.

She knew exactly what she was doing.

You ASSUME that she did, which is your prerogative.

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Do not justify this. Many people have been lost, many people have been sad, many people have suffered and so have I. But when you decide to have kids, YOU have an OBLIGATION to take care of those kids until you are no more! I'm sorry but no. You don't get to take yourself out. Your rights end where theirs begin. Because you chose that.
Very well said.
I've had a hard life at times. Sometimes desperate. But no matter how bad it was, how much I wanted to run away or worse, I never would. Because of my children. And that is how decent people are in life.
I'm very sad, that she didn't seek mental help.
I don't think she was an evil person.
I think she needed mental help. And didn't realize it. Or, was unable to admit it. Or, didn't know how to ask for it.
I don't know, for sure.
I don't think any of us, will ever know, for sure.
What I do know, is...that I feel sorry for her. Her children. Her husband. The whole family.
I will continue to pray, for all of them.

FWM, I get your message, and if she needed to end it, ok. But one does NOT put their children in danger as she did. That part is so unforgivable.
IKWTDS, I don't think she had the mental capacity, to realize that she was putting her children in danger.
She might not have even known, that they were in the car, with her.
I think she lost it.
Again, JMHO. I refuse to call her a devil.
I hope that God will have mercy, on her soul.
I know that I will pray for her. And her children/husband/family.
There is no basis for that. Up until this point, she had done nothing to show any type of mental incapacity. And she took STEPS. She left her phone, she bought the pills, she took her kids out and strapped them all back into the car, she MOVED THE CAR, she covered the windows. That is NOT just snapping and not realizing what you are doing.

She knew exactly what she was doing.
You ASSUME that she did, which is your prerogative.
flan

Actions speak louder than words in this instance.

Mental illness does not preclude forethought.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?
flan

Because she was a monster.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?
flan

You actually don't know that she didn't give them anything - she just might not have given them enough to kill them. Their bodies would metabolize them over the 3 days and that evidence would be gone.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?
flan
Because she was a monster.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

A "monster" would have killed her children and NOT herself.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
A "monster" would have killed her children and NOT herself.

flan

Ridiculous. Many monsters kill themselves.

Those that shoot up schools, suicide bombers, etc.

She knew what she was doing, she just took the easy way out of it.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with Fort Worth Mom. I believe that she just snapped.

It is possible to be logical and do things in a reasonable way even when you have checked out of the Hotel Reality. Especially when we consider that we are seeing it after it was done, and not examining the process from start to finish without knowing what was done in what steps.
And the only thing we have to go by is her action. We are not privy to her thoughts. We are not able to see inside her soul.
flan
Nothing matters but the actions.
To YOU.
flan

And to her kids, and husband, anyone who loved her. The people who found the kids. Society.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Let's give her the benefit of a doubt for a moment and say she didn't intend to kill the kids.

What her state of mind when she;

Dressed them. Give it an hour.

Put them in the car. I had three kids in car seats at once, that alone can take 10 minutes on a good day.

Drove to store.

Took 3 kids out of car seats. Another 10 minutes.

Went in and did whatever shopping. 30 minutes to an hour.

Put kids back in car seats. 10 minutes.

Drove to where she decided to park.

Put up the shades.

Took the pills.

Waited to die.

Pills take a while. At least 30 minutes.

So, in all that time, she didn't think "the kids might get hurt"?

Nope. Sorry. There is no benefit of doubt.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?
flan

No need. They would die without them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Let's give her the benefit of a doubt for a moment and say she didn't intend to kill the kids.

What her state of mind when she;

Dressed them. Give it an hour.

Put them in the car. I had three kids in car seats at once, that alone can take 10 minutes on a good day.

Drove to store.

Took 3 kids out of car seats. Another 10 minutes.

Went in and did whatever shopping. 30 minutes to an hour.

Put kids back in car seats. 10 minutes.

Drove to where she decided to park.

Put up the shades.

Took the pills.

Waited to die.

Pills take a while. At least 30 minutes.

So, in all that time, she didn't think "the kids might get hurt"?

Nope. Sorry. There is no benefit of doubt.

Yep.

This wasn't a fast process. She had plenty of time to think about what she was doing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Exactly. How many people here suffered for depression for years on and off? Even if you considered killing yourself, did you ever consider killing your kids? WTH?????

Maybe she thought the 5-year-old could get out of the car. I don't know. If she intended to kill her children, why didn't she give them pills too?
flan
Because she was a monster.

So was Paul who murdered Christians.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She almost did kill her kids. She killed herself in front of them. That is a terrible thing to do to them. They almost died a horrific death by dehydration. No doubt she probably took the pills thinking she would just fall asleep and die and her kids would be found safe and sound. A better choice would have been to check herself into a pysch ward and get help. She has robbed these little children of a mother's comfort. That's a horrible thing.