TOTALLY GEEKED!

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Okay.
Sex is what you were born as. It is biological. It does not change.
Gender, and the expression of, are constructs of society, and can either match your biological sex, or in rare cases, contradict.
And yes, when they contradict, there is usually a physical reason why, rooted in the brain. Trans people nearly alway literally have a brain that does not match their sex.
This is not that complicated.

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 Then, they are abnormal and should not be led to believe that they are ok...

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 Again...what about your gay family member? The one you love?

Mentally ill, I guess. Should they be put away? Housed in an institution? Not given the right to vote?

What about adopting children?

How about the right to own a gun? They are mentally ill, after all.

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 This proves you do not understand what you are talking about.

Being homosexual and being Transgender have NOTHING to do with each other. 

 

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Yes, hes definitely mentally ill. And I dont coddle him and lead him to feel thats normal.

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 You still believe that it's a CHOICE?

flan

lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Okay.
Sex is what you were born as. It is biological. It does not change.
Gender, and the expression of, are constructs of society, and can either match your biological sex, or in rare cases, contradict.
And yes, when they contradict, there is usually a physical reason why, rooted in the brain. Trans people nearly alway literally have a brain that does not match their sex.
This is not that complicated.

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 Then, they are abnormal and should not be led to believe that they are ok...

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 Again...what about your gay family member? The one you love?

Mentally ill, I guess. Should they be put away? Housed in an institution? Not given the right to vote?

What about adopting children?

How about the right to own a gun? They are mentally ill, after all.

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 This proves you do not understand what you are talking about.

Being homosexual and being Transgender have NOTHING to do with each other. 

 

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 They were bOTH declassified as mental illnesses.

Thanks for playing.

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Yes, hes definitely mentally ill. And I dont coddle him and lead him to feel thats normal.

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 You still believe that it's a CHOICE?

flan

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 I believe acting on unnatural urges is a choice. There are plenty of gay people that dont give in to their urges. My church has a ministry of gays that CHOOSE not to act.

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But it's really not unnatural to act on what you are attracted to.  Call me crazy.  But gay people are acting on what's natural to them.  lol!  Why should you get to act on what's natural to you, but they can't?  I don't understand why you feel that a whole group of people should not have what you and I have.  You want to deny them sex?  Forever?

-- Edited by msrock on Sunday 3rd of April 2016 05:09:02 PM

msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Yes, hes definitely mentally ill. And I dont coddle him and lead him to feel thats normal.

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 You still believe that it's a CHOICE?

flan

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 I believe acting on unnatural urges is a choice. There are plenty of gay people that dont give in to their urges. My church has a ministry of gays that CHOOSE not to act.

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But it's really not unnatural to act on what you are attracted to.  Call me crazy.  But gay people are acting on what's natural to them.  lol!  Why should you get to act on what's natural to you, but they can't?  I don't understand why you feel that a whole group of people should not have what you and I have.  You want to deny them sex?  Forever?

-- Edited by msrock on Sunday 3rd of April 2016 05:09:02 PM

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 Forever and ever and ever.

No soup for you!!

"People have urges about all kinds of horrible things. Animals, children, corpses. Homosexuality is unnatural. "

Ever hear of consent? Animals, children and corpses can't consent.
You know what else is unnatural? Oral sex.
Anyone who engages in it is mentally ill.
You OK with that?

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weltschmerz wrote:

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"People have urges about all kinds of horrible things. Animals, children, corpses. Homosexuality is unnatural. "

Ever hear of consent? Animals, children and corpses can't consent.
You know what else is unnatural? Oral sex.
Anyone who engages in it is mentally ill.
You OK with that?

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 I'm screwed! ugh.  I hate that!

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 I think most of us are screwed.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 3rd of April 2016 05:24:12 PM

Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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"People have urges about all kinds of horrible things. Animals, children, corpses. Homosexuality is unnatural. "

Ever hear of consent? Animals, children and corpses can't consent.
You know what else is unnatural? Oral sex.
Anyone who engages in it is mentally ill.
You OK with that?

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 Its still an urge, right? An people should be able to act on their urges, right? What harm does screwing a corpse do? Or blowing a dog? No harm, no foul, right? 

Oral sex is not unnatural.  Its even mentioned favorably in the Bible. 

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 Nobody is talking about anything close to this.  I don't even know where this is coming from.. unless you got nothing else.  It's so desperate and sad.

"But it's really not unnatural to act on what you are attracted to."

msrock wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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"People have urges about all kinds of horrible things. Animals, children, corpses. Homosexuality is unnatural. "

Ever hear of consent? Animals, children and corpses can't consent.
You know what else is unnatural? Oral sex.
Anyone who engages in it is mentally ill.
You OK with that?

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 Its still an urge, right? An people should be able to act on their urges, right? What harm does screwing a corpse do? Or blowing a dog? No harm, no foul, right? 

Oral sex is not unnatural.  Its even mentioned favorably in the Bible. 

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 Nobody is talking about anything close to this.  I don't even know where this is coming from.. unless you got nothing else.  It's so desperate and sad.

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Msrock, give it up.  We already know you're a sinner.  You're not even serious.  You're just "playing house". 

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"But it's really not unnatural to act on what you are attracted to."

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Ok.  You think you won, but you didn't!  You live in a world of judgement that I ain't got time for!  You want to compare homosexuals to corpse rapers and pedophiles?  That's just disgusting.  No one takes any of you serious because it's just so dumb! but all you religious, judgemental folk can keep patting yourself on the back.  You've managed to turn off so many people.. so many.  You don't have a clue how off putting you are.  I'm being straight up honest.  If I ever wanted to believe, I would NOT trust you and your teachings.  It's too ugly for me to latch onto.

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weltschmerz wrote:

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"People have urges about all kinds of horrible things. Animals, children, corpses. Homosexuality is unnatural. "

Ever hear of consent? Animals, children and corpses can't consent.
You know what else is unnatural? Oral sex.
Anyone who engages in it is mentally ill.
You OK with that?

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 Its still an urge, right? An people should be able to act on their urges, right? What harm does screwing a corpse do? Or blowing a dog? No harm, no foul, right? 

Oral sex is not unnatural.  Its even mentioned favorably in the Bible. 

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 Where in the bible?

In any case what harm does it do? If your dead mother was lying in the morgue, you wouldn't have a problem with the morgue attendant screwing her? Seriously?

You don't do animals, either. It's called CONSENT.

The Book of Ruth.

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Ohfour wrote:

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The Book of Ruth.

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 Chapter and verse?

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 :) you figure it out. Read the Book of Ruth. Im not going to hand it to you. You need to do a bit of research yourself. Reading the Bible would be a good place to start. 

Ive given you a starting place. If you are too closed minded to read it, thats not on me...

weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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The Book of Ruth.

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 Chapter and verse?

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 :) you figure it out. Read the Book of Ruth. Im not going to hand it to you. You need to do a bit of research yourself. Reading the Bible would be a good place to start. 

Ive given you a starting place. If you are too closed minded to read it, thats not on me...

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 When I make a claim, I back it up. You made the claim, you back it up.

I'm not going to slog through the entire Book of Ruth.

Evidently, you've got nothing.

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 It's 4 chapters. Might take all of 30 minutes.

Youre cute. Do your own reading
I gave you a starting point. If you are too lazy to spend 30 minutes researching, thats in you.
You need to read the Bible. It may change you.

weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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The Book of Ruth.

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 Chapter and verse?

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 :) you figure it out. Read the Book of Ruth. Im not going to hand it to you. You need to do a bit of research yourself. Reading the Bible would be a good place to start. 

Ive given you a starting place. If you are too closed minded to read it, thats not on me...

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 When I make a claim, I back it up. You made the claim, you back it up.

I'm not going to slog through the entire Book of Ruth.

Evidently, you've got nothing.

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 It's 4 chapters. Might take all of 30 minutes.

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 Doesn't matter. Again, when I make a claim, I back it up.

I don't say "Go look it up. It shouldn't take more than half an hour."

Chapter and verse, or you're making it up.

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 Look at it as a link. 

You just have to click it open and read it.

Www.bible.com

Go to Ruth. Its easy...

flan327 wrote:

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Liberals get blasted all the time here for NOT citing a source.

flan

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 OMG, seriously?  That is a tactic of liberals.  Now, i just throw that right back at them.  If that is sooo important then you have to site them too, lol.

I speak the truth so if you wanna hear it fine, if not , fine.

It doesn't come right and say "she took his length into her warm and hungry mouth".

The euphemism is intended.

In Solomon, the "laying in his shade" and "sweet taste of his fruit" his another nod towards oral.

Bonny22Pye wrote:

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For the anti trans people on the board that think its a mental illness do you ever think their are true instances where it is a medical condition?

Personally if my child said he was trans I would want to know if their was a medical reason for it. Such has having his chromosomes and hormone levels checked.

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 There have been cases, in which the body did developed contrary to their gender.

Hermaphrodites happen.

That is not what we are talking about.

I had an uncle who was actually a woman. She was in her 80s when I was a kid. Her parents had no idea until puberty. She underwent years of surgeries and treatments.

Now, it is very, very rare for this to be a life long condition. 

There are too many tests available now that was available a centry ago.

 

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For the anti trans people on the board that think its a mental illness do you ever think their are true instances where it is a medical condition?

Personally if my child said he was trans I would want to know if their was a medical reason for it. Such has having his chromosomes and hormone levels checked.

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 The granddaughter of a friend of mine was born with adrenal hyperplasia.  One of the ways it's detected at birth is that they are unable to determine gender until blood tests are run.  Genitals do not develop as normal.  Surgery was required to make her "male-like genitals" more like those of a female.  Salt-retaining hormone medication will be a part of her life for the duration of her life.   I would be interested to see what happens to this little girl as far as gender identity.    And in particular, whether her "identification" is affected by the medication or a failure to take it.

Personally, I would not discuss the surgery with the child or any thing having to do with gender identity.  To me, that would be putting doubt in a young, impressionable mind where there would not otherwise be.  

Short of some kind of medical reason for identity issues, such as the ones this little girl might experience, I would call it a mental illness as well.  And even then, it's a mental illness precipitated by chromosomes vs. genetic makeup, i.e., physical/social/mental life experiences, with an emphasis on social/mental.

-- Edited by FNW on Monday 4th of April 2016 12:17:08 PM

Is oral sex between married couples okay?
wedding ringsby Matt Slick

The Bible makes no clear mention of oral sex at all. Therefore, it is difficult to produce an official Biblical position. Nevertheless, based on the information that follows, oral sex is not sinful and that it is permissible only within the bonds of marriage between a husband and wife.

The book, Song of Solomon, is a love poem between a husband and wife. This book is seen in two senses: physical love and a description of God's love for His church. Either way, the book definitely encourages a husband and wife to enjoy the sexual pleasures of one another. It is in this beautiful book that two Scriptures appear which may shed light on the issue of oral sex. Let's take a look.

Song 2:3, "Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
Song 4:16, "Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance. Let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits!"
Notice in Song 2:3 that it says, " . . . and his fruit was sweet to my taste." Obviously this involves very intimate experience. Tasting one another can have a wide variety of applications. It appears that this is a veiled way of alluding to oral sex. Furthermore, if we look at Song 7:8 we read, "I said, I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks. Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine." Apparently, fondling of the breasts is meant here. If such enjoyment of the body is intended and since tasting (which involves the mouth) is part of that expression, it would seem safe to say that oral sex is permissible.

What does it mean to eat the choice fruits of his garden in 4:16? She is saying that she is "his garden" and that she desires that he eat of her fruit.

The poetic use of metaphors in describing the physical relationship is sometimes hard to fully apprehend, but it seems obvious from the context that intimate sexual union is implied.

"The beloved's request that the winds blow on her garden, that is, herself (cf. vv. 12, 15) was a delicate, poetically beautiful invitation to her lover to fully possess her (come into her). She wished to be his with her charms as available as fruit on a tree,"1

Therefore, oral sex is permissible between a husband and wife.