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I think they should take his organs while he is living first. Then execute him.

Our death row takes too long.



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I think they should take his organs while he is living first. Then execute him.

Our death row takes too long.

 


   Look at how masterfully LL combines 2 threads into one point!  lol!  smile

 

Also, executions should not take YEARS.  They should be done shortly after the verdict.



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People are entitled to appeals. I think there should be a fast track appeal process for death row subjects.

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Well how many appeals are you entitled too once found and convicted? Yes, fast track it. And, then take them out and execute them and get it over with. Stop wasting our time, the time of the justice system and holding those families hostage in their grief.

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Death Penalty Appeals Process

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The Direct Appeal
The direct appeal is an automatic appeal given to everyone sentenced to death.  The appeal is made to the state’s highest court in which someone can seek an appeal from a conviction and death sentence. In some states, this appeal is mandatory but in others, it is optional for the defendant.

The direct appeal is limited to issues from the trial.  Typically, the prosecutor and the defense file briefs and oral arguments are held before a panel of judges.  After reviewing the case, the judges can affirm the conviction and sentence, reverse the conviction, or reverse the death sentence.

The direct appeal for federal cases is also limited to issues from the trial, but is handled by federal courts, rather than state courts.

Either losing side can then petition for a writ of certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court,  requesting a review of federal constitutional issues.

State Post-Conviction
This is the second stage of the appellate process.  Petitions are first filed with the original trial judge, then appealed to any intermediate courts (when applicable), and then finally to the state's highest court.  At this stage, the defendant may raise issues surrounding the conviction and sentence that are outside of the record.  The defendant can raise issues such as ineffective assistance of counsel, juror misconduct, newly-discovered evidence and Brady violations (A Brady violation occurs when the state withholds evidence that could help the defense's case).  There are strict timelines that must be followed when filing this appeal, and missing a timeline may end a defendant's appeals.  The defendant may again choose to petition the U.S. Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari.  If the Court denies the writ, the defendant has exhausted all State remedies, and the case can be continued in federal court.

Federal Habeas Corpus
Federal habeas corpus is the final stage of the appeals process, and is limited to federal issues raised on appeal in the State courts.  For federal death row inmates, this is the stage of the appeals process that allows them to raise issues outside the trial record. The federal appeals process consists of three levels.

A petition to the U.S. District Court is the first step in federal post-conviction review.  The decision is made by a judge reviewing briefs filed by the prosecution and the defense. The judge may also grant a hearing on new evidence.  The judge can dismiss the petition, overturn the conviction, or overturn the sentence.

Permission to appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals is not automatic and must be granted by the U.S. District Court or the Court of Appeals.  The appeal is limited to issues raised in the U.S. District Court. If the conviction or sentence is overturned in federal review, the state is usually given the opportunity to re-try the defendant.  If the U.S. Court of Appeals denies relief, the only option is to petition the U.S. Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari.

The U.S. Supreme Court is the last resort for defendants appealing their death sentence.  The Court, however, only reviews a handful of death penalty cases a year. When a writ of certiorari is denied by the U.S. Supreme Court, the defendant has exhausted his appeals.  The only relief available to the defendant is executive clemency. 

Executive Clemency
Executive clemency is the power held by a governor or other body to grant relief to a person facing execution.  The governor may postpone an execution in order to allow time for further review or may commute a defendant's death sentence to a lesser sentence, such as of life without parole.



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Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 



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huskerbb wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

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 The death penalty would absolutely stop other crimes.  

 

Beyond that, it's the general attitude that the murderer means more than the victim here. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 10th of April 2016 01:42:01 PM

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flan327 wrote:
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No? Fire and brimstone ring any bells?


 The references to that are about the afterlife. Not about punishment while still living on earth. 


 No. God destroyed both Sodom and Gomorrah with real fire and real brimstone. 

 


 All your examples are OT. We've moved past "An eye for an eye."

Well, most of us have.

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 Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."



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huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

flan

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-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 10th of April 2016 12:15:37 PM


 The death penalty would absolutely stop other crimes.  

 

Beyond that, it's the general attitude that the murderer means more than the victim here. 



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 The death penalty has not stopped crime.  In states where you have the death penalty you have higher crime rates.  I don't have the stats looked up right now but I do know that this is also true of other countries.



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I don't care if the death penalty stops any other crime. He deserves to die So, if's he guilty, execute him. That is a JUST punishment for this type of crime whether it deters anyone else or not. Why does he get to continue to breathe while their daughter doesn't?

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
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No? Fire and brimstone ring any bells?


 The references to that are about the afterlife. Not about punishment while still living on earth. 


 No. God destroyed both Sodom and Gomorrah with real fire and real brimstone. 

 


 All your examples are OT. We've moved past "An eye for an eye."

Well, most of us have.

flan


 Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


 Yup.  Lots of fire and brimstone in the NT in Revelation.  Last time i checked, that is still the New Testament.



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

flan

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-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 10th of April 2016 12:15:37 PM


 The death penalty would absolutely stop other crimes.  

 

Beyond that, it's the general attitude that the murderer means more than the victim here. 



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 The death penalty has not stopped crime.  In states where you have the death penalty you have higher crime rates.  I don't have the stats looked up right now but I do know that this is also true of other countries.


 If someone is evil and/or crazy, punishment for their crime is the LAST thing on their minds.

If the death penalty stopped other crimes, there would be no more murder.

If the Amish can have sympathy for the murderer, what does that say about those here who want to not only kill him, but torture him?

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Who said the Amish have sympathy for the murderer? Thats a bit extreme...

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

flan

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 10th of April 2016 12:15:37 PM


 The death penalty would absolutely stop other crimes.  

 

Beyond that, it's the general attitude that the murderer means more than the victim here. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 10th of April 2016 01:42:01 PM


 The death penalty has not stopped crime.  In states where you have the death penalty you have higher crime rates.  I don't have the stats looked up right now but I do know that this is also true of other countries.


 It would stop that person from committing any more.  



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yeah and apparently he beat her so badly, that couldnt' ID her facially. That is sick, sick, sick. She was minding her own business only to meet up with some nefarious ahole. I hope he FRIES. They should douse him with gasoline and set him on fire. I will light the match.


 What a disgusting thing for a Christian to say. Jesus would not advocate lighting someone on fire. If you think you are a Christian and you can justify lighting a live human being on fire (even if that human committed terrible crimes) then I don't think you know what being Christian means. 


 More justification for this heinous crime.  More concern here for the murderer than his victim. 


 husker,  NO ONE is justifying the crime.

What I am saying is that we cannot stoop to the level of a murderer. Is that going to bring back the victim? Will it stop other crimes?

Nope.

flan

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 10th of April 2016 12:15:37 PM


 The death penalty would absolutely stop other crimes.  

 

Beyond that, it's the general attitude that the murderer means more than the victim here. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 10th of April 2016 01:42:01 PM


 The death penalty has not stopped crime.  In states where you have the death penalty you have higher crime rates.  I don't have the stats looked up right now but I do know that this is also true of other countries.


 If someone is evil and/or crazy, punishment for their crime is the LAST thing on their minds.

If the death penalty stopped other crimes, there would be no more murder.

If the Amish can have sympathy for the murderer, what does that say about those here who want to not only kill him, but torture him?

flan


 It's not about stopping all crime.  It's about stopping THIS criminal from committing any more.  



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If someone is evil and/or crazy, punishment for their crime is the LAST thing on their minds.

WHO Cares what is on their minds? ??? Don't care! They need to be punished with the death penalty.

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REgardless of what a terrible life he had (lots of people do) he is evil, and committed and evil act. Evil needs to be destroyed. There is no going back for him. He is too far gone.

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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

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 Yeah, kind of--several are certainly arguing that the murderer means more than the victim.  Including you.  



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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

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 Punished, but just a little bit. I mean, he cant be made to feel uncomfortable can he?



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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

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 Yeah, kind of--several are certainly arguing that the murderer means more than the victim.  Including you.  


 Quote?

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You didn't say those exact words. But in MANY of your posts you are sticking up for the murderer--and ignoring the victim.

You chastise others to "not stoop to his level" (whatever that means)--but completely ignore the heinous nature of his crime.

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I think accusing any of us of "stooping to his level" is completely ignorant and disgusting.

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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

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 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 



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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

flan


 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 


 LGS wants to douse him with gasoline & set him on fire.

I understand the anger & frustration, but what does that accomplish?

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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

flan


 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 


 LGS wants to douse him with gasoline & set him on fire.

I understand the anger & frustration, but what does that accomplish?

flan


What does it accomplish? He would be dead.  A fitting end to what he did.



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What do you think torture does to the soul?

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What do you think torture does to the soul?

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 But but but...according to you, we dont have souls. So which is it? 



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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

flan


 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 


 LGS wants to douse him with gasoline & set him on fire.

I understand the anger & frustration, but what does that accomplish?

flan


 I think he should be killed in the same manner he took someone's life.  We don't do that simply because regular people are not depraved enough to commit those acts - the people simply pulling a switch often get emotionally damaged.  But that is exactly what he DESERVES.  So, don't get all high and mighty over people saying it.



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Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

flan


 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 


 LGS wants to douse him with gasoline & set him on fire.

I understand the anger & frustration, but what does that accomplish?

flan


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Lawyerlady wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

Is anyone arguing that THIS murder should NOT be punished? I must have missed that.

flan


 The proper punishment for his crime is death. 


 LGS wants to douse him with gasoline & set him on fire.

I understand the anger & frustration, but what does that accomplish?

flan


 I think he should be killed in the same manner he took someone's life.  We don't do that simply because regular people are not depraved enough to commit those acts - the people simply pulling a switch often get emotionally damaged.  But that is exactly what he DESERVES.  So, don't get all high and mighty over people saying it.


 I understand what you're saying but that simply would never occur to me.

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It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.


 Dessert has nothing to do with torture.

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flan327 wrote:
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It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.


 Dessert has nothing to do with torture.

flan


 Uh huh.  Maybe with a few more bits of discipline in his life in relation to the simple things, he wouldn't have grown up to torture and murder a woman.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.


 Dessert has nothing to do with torture.

flan


 Uh huh.  Maybe with a few more bits of discipline in his life in relation to the simple things, he wouldn't have grown up to torture and murder a woman.


 I was talking about PUNISHMENT, but you have discovered the key to making a child a murderer!

evileye

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flan327 wrote:
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It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.


 Dessert has nothing to do with torture.

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 Uh huh.  Maybe with a few more bits of discipline in his life in relation to the simple things, he wouldn't have grown up to torture and murder a woman.


 I was talking about PUNISHMENT, but you have discovered the key to making a child a murderer!

evileye

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 Who needs punishment.  Let's just give the poor, misunderstood murderer dessert and video games.   His childhood was obviously awful - why should he be the one to blame?  evileyeevileyeevileye



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It never "occurred" to you? It never occurred to you that if someone steals they should make equal reparations? It never occurred to you that if you child ate his dessert first that maybe he didn't get dessert with the next meal? It never occurred to you that the "punishment fits the crime" when the severity of the punishment is in accord with the actual crime? Oh, ok. Sit in your pony and pretend.


 Dessert has nothing to do with torture.

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 Uh huh.  Maybe with a few more bits of discipline in his life in relation to the simple things, he wouldn't have grown up to torture and murder a woman.


 I was talking about PUNISHMENT, but you have discovered the key to making a child a murderer!

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 So, more discipline makes a child a murderer?  Huh?    Nobody "made" him a murderer.  He CHOOSE to murder.



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And, there should be no 'innocent by reason of insanity". If they killed someone, they arent innocent. Insane? Perhaps. I think it would be better if it was "guilty but insane" as a verdict instead. Andrea Yates is guilty, whether she is insane or mentally ill or whatever. And, no, those people can never be left out again.

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so, following flan's " logic, " society is to blame for " creating " murderers--right



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so, following flan's " logic, " society is to blame for " creating " murderers--right


 Wrong again, but thanks for playing.

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flan always has s oft spot for murderers and perverts. If you're a nice kind normal human being she will judge you though if you don't do or think just like her.

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He is 17 so I Don't know if he would get the death penalty even though he deserves it.

I'm sorry, even though what he did is heinous I can't even think of burning someone alive. In our Constitution it is against our law for cruel and unusual punishment.

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When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.



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When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

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flan327 wrote:
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When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

flan


It's like saying you want to take a bat to someone's head.  It just means they should get what they deserve, not that that would even happen.  It's a figure of speech. 



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flan327 wrote:
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When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

flan


 But some are directing their anger and disgust at other posters and not a murderer.



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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

flan


 But some are directing their anger and disgust at other posters and not a murderer.


 WHY say it? Figure of speech or not, words reflect on the speaker.

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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
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When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

flan


 But some are directing their anger and disgust at other posters and not a murderer.


 WHY say it? Figure of speech or not, words reflect on the speaker.

flan


 So what?  If the fact that I am outraged by a senseless murder reflects on me--I'm ok with that.  Lack of said outrage reflects, also.



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

When someone says something like "burn them alive" I don't take it as something they would actually do.

It's more about relating their level of anger over what was done.


 We're ALL angry, disgusted, etc.

But it's not the first time that I've read very explicit ways to kill a criminal here.

Why say it at all?

flan


 But some are directing their anger and disgust at other posters and not a murderer.


 WHY say it? Figure of speech or not, words reflect on the speaker.

flan


 Why not? Why is it wrong to express a deep anger? 



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