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Tinydancer · Guru

Dear Abby: Man of My Dreams Has House Dogs

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

If you kicked my cat because it scratched you after I told you not to touch it and you ignored me? I'd knock you on your ass. You'd be lucky I didn't have you charged with animal cruelty.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Especially an elderly, arthritic cat. Seriously.

Tinydancer · Guru

But don't you know it's equivalent to being mauled by a pitbull?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

As pet owners, we are responsible for our pets behavior at ALL times. You have a dog, make sure it does not bit anyone (family included) inside or outside of your house. You have a cat, make sure it does not wonder the neighborhood or attack visitors within your home. YOU, the pet owner, ARE responsible for your pets behavior, period.
I recently saw an episode of Judge Judy on this exact problem and the dog bit within his home. The owner was ruled responsible for her dogs behavior within the house. It is the law according to Judge Judy.

TrudyML · Guru

Team Judge Judy!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
If you kicked my cat because it scratched you after I told you not to touch it and you ignored me? I'd knock you on your ass. You'd be lucky I didn't have you charged with animal cruelty.

High Five!

I do have one cat I kick regularly. Not out of cruelty but when I get her canned food out of the fridge she is always under foot & then she is sliding across the kitchen floor.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Animals have the right to defend their families and THEMSELVES.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Animals have the right to defend their families and THEMSELVES.

Not really. If a dog bites an invited guest, the you are liable.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Animals have the right to defend their families and THEMSELVES.
Not really. If a dog bites an invited guest, the you are liable.

If a dog bites you because you kick it, or a cat scratches you because you hurt it - no one is going to find the animal liable.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 13th of April 2016 11:49:10 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If you kicked my cat because it scratched you after I told you not to touch it and you ignored me? I'd knock you on your ass. You'd be lucky I didn't have you charged with animal cruelty.
High Five!

I do have one cat I kick regularly. Not out of cruelty but when I get her canned food out of the fridge she is always under foot & then she is sliding across the kitchen floor.

That's not so much a kick as shoving aside with your foot. I have to shoo mine because they like to sit on the steps.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Animals have the right to defend their families and THEMSELVES.
Not really. If a dog bites an invited guest, the you are liable.
If a dog bites you because you kick it, or a cat scratches you because you hurt it - no one is going to find the animal liable.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 13th of April 2016 11:49:10 AM

It's acting on its instinct. People should be smarter than pets.

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If you kicked my cat because it scratched you after I told you not to touch it and you ignored me? I'd knock you on your ass. You'd be lucky I didn't have you charged with animal cruelty.
High Five!

I do have one cat I kick regularly. Not out of cruelty but when I get her canned food out of the fridge she is always under foot & then she is sliding across the kitchen floor.
That's not so much a kick as shoving aside with your foot. I have to shoo mine because they like to sit on the steps.

They don't like to sit on the steps. They are trying to trip you! It's a secret cat thing.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
If you kicked my cat because it scratched you after I told you not to touch it and you ignored me? I'd knock you on your ass. You'd be lucky I didn't have you charged with animal cruelty.
High Five!

I do have one cat I kick regularly. Not out of cruelty but when I get her canned food out of the fridge she is always under foot & then she is sliding across the kitchen floor.
That's not so much a kick as shoving aside with your foot. I have to shoo mine because they like to sit on the steps.
They don't like to sit on the steps. They are trying to trip you! It's a secret cat thing.

Not any more...LOL

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I would have punted that cat across the room.
She was 15, and had arthritis. Touching was painful. If you abused the cat that only scratched you because you hurt her--you are a despicable human being and have no place in my home.
If somebody tells you not to do something when you are in their home, don't do it. And if you do, don't get all pissy when there are consequences you don't like.

This is what I tell people about my dog. DON'T THROW THE BALL. If you start he will expect you to keep doing it forever. I flat out tell them, do not throw it. Then they throw it because they think it's so cute and when he keeps bringing them the ball they tell me to make him stop. I said, I told you not to throw it in the first place. People don't listen.

weltschmerz · Guru

FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.

Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?

Pets are family, just like kids are family.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.

There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...

Tinydancer · Guru

So if your kid was biting me or sniffing my crotch you'd be ok with that?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.

Yes. Totally.

Those little runny noses and grubby hands trying to tug your climb into your lap and tug your jewelry.

Who needs that?

Seriously.

Pets are not kids.

Now I love my dogs.

And I may call them my fur babies.

But they are not kids.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...

Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.

No.

Pets are not kids.

Tinydancer · Guru

Just like boys are girls and perverts are normal.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.

No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.

Both pets and kids:

1. Can be messy & smelly

2. Can misbehave

3. Are a lot of work

4. Add infinite joy to most people's lives

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.

Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
Both pets and kids:
1. Can be messy & smelly
2. Can misbehave
3. Are a lot of work
4. Add infinite joy to most people's lives
flan

But only kids are human.

Therefore, above pets.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.
Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

I'm sure...

Animals are property here. The way it should be...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.
Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

That's just stupid.

Are you saying a collie is equal to a child?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I had no idea kids were human...

My dogs aren't my "children," but I was addressing the complaints about pets stated in this thread.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

In American animal abusers get more time than child abusers. FWIW.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.
Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

I'm sure...
Animals are property here. The way it should be...

Of course you think so. You hate animals.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
In American animal abusers get more time than child abusers. FWIW.

I did not know that.

Interesting.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What I'm seeing involves lab animals. In relation to animal cruelty.

But they are not equal to humans.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.
Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

I'm sure...
Animals are property here. The way it should be...
Of course you think so. You hate animals.

I don't hate animals. I just would rather not be around one...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Animals are property, they do not equate with humans of any kind, even children. But if you abuse an animal, you are the worst sort of human.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
I had no idea kids were human...

My dogs aren't my "children," but I was addressing the complaints about pets stated in this thread.

flan

Apparently, you didnt.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
FNW wrote:
I think it's rude to go to someone's house and complain about their pets. But at the same time, it's rude not to keep the pets in another room unless the guest asks to see the pet, of course.
Should you keep your kids in another room unless your guest asks to see them?
Pets are family, just like kids are family.
There you go again, comparing children to animals again. Not the same thing at all...
Pet are family, just like kids are family. I know you don't get it because you loathe animals so much.
No, they are really not. They are animals. They are property.
Not where I live. They're sentient beings with rights.

Not according to Canadian law:

Summary in relation to Animal Law:
In Canada, the Criminal Code of Canada controls human behavior in relation to animal suffering. It defines the limitations and sets out the penalties if there are breaches. Canada treats animals as property. Property rights include the rights of possession, the rights of use, and the enjoyment of property to the exclusion of humans. The Criminal Code of Canada under Part XI sets out the Wilful and Forbidden Acts in Respect of Certain Property.

http://www.animallaw.ca/statutes-regulations-by-laws-a-bills.html

weltschmerz · Guru

Pierre Paradis said new legislation is in the works that will redefine the status of an animal in the province's Civil Code and improve its protection.

"I want to go as quickly as possible," Paradis told The Canadian Press. "It's among my legislative priorities."

Once the Civil Code is amended, cats, dogs and other animals will no longer be considered as "personal property" but as living, "sentient" creatures. That is a formula that has already been adopted by several European countries.

He said he has reached an agreement in principle with Justice Minister Stéphanie Vallée that would give critters more status before the courts than inanimate property such as a chair or table.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-to-amend-civil-code-to-better-protect-animals-from-abuse-1.2732056

It's been amended. You can also no longer dock tails or crop ears for aesthetic purposes.
They're not on par with children, but they're not property, either, that you can abuse at will.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You can't abuse animals here at will, either, even though they are considered property.

weltschmerz · Guru

Quebec has it's own laws.
We have assisted suicide, the rest of Canada does not.
We gave rights to the LGBT community almost half a century ago, the ROC did not.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sentient beings means they feel emotion and pain.

The law is geared towards harsher punishment of animal abusers.

It means they are equal to other animals that display these traits, like chimps and dolphins.

It does NOT mean they are equal to humans.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Sentient beings means they feel emotion and pain.

The law is geared towards harsher punishment of animal abusers.

It means they are equal to other animals that display these traits, like chimps and dolphins.

It does NOT mean they are equal to humans.

Who said they were equal to humans?

Stop making stuff up.

weltschmerz · Guru

I aid they're no longer considered property and have rights.
Nobody said they're equal to humans.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Sentient beings means they feel emotion and pain.

The law is geared towards harsher punishment of animal abusers.

It means they are equal to other animals that display these traits, like chimps and dolphins.

It does NOT mean they are equal to humans.

Who said they were equal to humans?
Stop making stuff up.

No one did. It was a COMPARISON of characteristics.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Sentient beings means they feel emotion and pain.

The law is geared towards harsher punishment of animal abusers.

It means they are equal to other animals that display these traits, like chimps and dolphins.

It does NOT mean they are equal to humans.

Who said they were equal to humans?
Stop making stuff up.

You said pets are family, just like kids are family. You equated the two...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Sentient beings means they feel emotion and pain.

The law is geared towards harsher punishment of animal abusers.

It means they are equal to other animals that display these traits, like chimps and dolphins.

It does NOT mean they are equal to humans.

Who said they were equal to humans?
Stop making stuff up.

I'm not making stuff up.

You equated pets to kids and made the statement that animals are sentient beings as if that makes it so.

It doesnt.

weltschmerz · Guru

I equated pets to kids in my own home.
I don't ask you to put your kids away, so don't ask me to put my animals away.
In regards to the LAW here, they're not considered property and have rights.
The LAW doesn't equate them to humans.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
I equated pets to kids in my own home.
I don't ask you to put your kids away, so don't ask me to put my animals away.
In regards to the LAW here, they're not considered property and have rights.
The LAW doesn't equate them to humans.

What rights do they have that is different from any where else?

weltschmerz · Guru

The right to not be considered property, for one.
The right to be free of aesthetic surgery.
You want a comprehensive review? Look it up.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I call mine kids when I'm talking to them. Like come on kids lets get dinner or go outside or whatever. I don't treat them like kids because I let them stay out all night if they want to & they don't get put on restriction. biggrin