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Liberals’ Double Standard on Bathrooms, Boycotts, and Religious Freedom

By Ryan T. Anderson | April 11, 2016 | 4:56 PM EDT
Bruce Springsteen interacts with the crowd during his concert with the E Street Band at the Los Angeles Sports Arena on Tuesday, March 15, 2016, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo)

If it wasn’t for double-standards, some liberals would have none at all. That seems to be the lesson from the past few weeks, where liberals have displayed three distinct forms of hypocrisy.

Liberal governors and mayors signed travel bans to North Carolina and Mississippi, CEOs of major corporations pledged boycotts and relocations, and Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams have cancelled scheduled concerts in those states.

At issue are a Mississippi law that narrowly and carefully protects the rights of religious charities, small businesses and select public servants, and a North Carolina law that reasonably protects privacy and safety in public restrooms, while leaving private institutions free to set their own bathroom policies. These laws, apparently, are now unacceptable to some voices on the Left.

But are they really? The hypocrisy in their opposition suggests otherwise.

1. Big Money and Big Business in Politics Is Bad, Unless They Support the Left?

Liberals decry the influence of big business and big money in politics. They denounce, as a direct threat to democracy, the ability of corporations to engage in issue advocacy. They argue politicians must answer to the people, not the highest corporate bidder.

Or at least that’s what they used to say. Liberals are now cheering Apple, PayPal, Salesforce, and countless other giant corporations threatening legislators and governors with boycotts if they pass popular laws that the left disapproves of.

These corporate elites didn’t win an argument about good public policy. Instead they threatened to boycott and transfer jobs out of states if the politicians didn’t do as they insisted.

This economic coercion is a form of cronyism—cultural cronyism. Big businesses use their outsized market share to pressure government to do their bidding at the expense of the will of the people and the common good. And, hypocritically, the Left cheers it on.

2. Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams Get to Follow Their Conscience, but the Baker and Florist Don’t?

Many of us think that what these corporate giants are doing is bad for representative democracy and self-government. But they have a right to do it. And yet, they want to deny the rights of bakers, florists, photographers, adoption agencies and marriage counselors who only want the same liberty to follow their conscience.

Big business is using its market freedom to deny small businesses and charities their religious freedom. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Take the cases of Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams. They said their consciences require them to deny their artistic gifts and talents to citizens of states that have enacted policy they disagreed with. And, of course, they have that right.

Adams wrote: “I cannot in good conscience perform in a state where certain people are being denied their civil rights.”

He’s wrong about the laws—they don’t deny anyone civil rights. Instead, they protect civil rights. They protect religious freedom, which, as the liberal American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) once acknowledged, is a civil liberty.

So Springsteen and Adams are exercising their freedom of conscience by boycotting states that sought to protect the consciences of adoption agencies, religious schools, bakers and florist. Do they not see the hypocrisy?

3. North Carolina and Mississippi are Human Rights Violators, but Singapore and Cuba are Great?

Finally, if these boycotts are really a matter of principle—and not just grandstanding—then why do so many of these same companies do business in foreign countries with terrible records on human rights in general, and for LGBT people in particular?

The governor of North Carolina, Pat McCrory, pointed out this hypocrisy. After New York Governor Andrew Cuomo issued a travel ban for state employees to North Carolina, Gov. McCrory asked how it was consistent with Gov. Cuomo’s trip to Cuba—with state business leaders—to promote trade with that country.

Is Cuba better on human rights than North Carolina? Or is New York Andrew Gov. Cuomo being a bit hypocritical?

Others have pointed out the hypocrisy of PayPal. The CEO of PayPal announced the company wouldn’t expand in North Carolina because of “PayPal’s deepest values and our strong belief that every person has the right to be treated equally, and with dignity and respect.”

Really?

Then PayPal might want to explain why its international headquarters are in Singapore, where people engaged in private consensual same-sex acts can face two years in jail. It might also want to explain why it announced in 2012 that it would open offices in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). While North Carolina placed some commonsense limits on public bathrooms, theUAE reportedly jails gay and transgender people.

What’s Next?

The Left knows it’s can’t win on the merits in the debate about religious freedom and bathroom privacy. These bills enjoy strong public support—that’s why elected representatives are voting to pass them. And it’s whycorporate elites have to target governors to veto them.

Missouri is likely the next state to move a religious freedom bill, and we can expect the same cast of characters to come out in opposition. But this time, the left and big business are entering the debate with one big disadvantage—they’ve been beaten. Gov. Phil Bryant of Mississippi and Gov. Pat McCrory of North Carolina have stood up to the bullies and shattered their aura of invincibility.



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Are we surprised by the double standard?

The double standard is one of the reasons American voters are voting for Trump. The silent majority is sick and tired of the uber-liberal cRaP.

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Every group has hypocrisy and double standards its part of human nature and we should all strive to be better.

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Bonny22Pye wrote:

Every group has hypocrisy and double standards its part of human nature and we should all strive to be better.


 I was just going to say the same thing.  There are plenty of uber conservatives out there that are hypocrites.  It happens with all groups.



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If you have actual examples--please post them.

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And the left is so afraid religion is going to influence their laws, but they have no problem trampling on religious freedoms.

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huskerbb wrote:

If you have actual examples--please post them.


 None?  Exactly as I thought.



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huskerbb wrote:
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If you have actual examples--please post them.


 None?  Exactly as I thought.


 I don't need to convince MYSELF, and YOU wouldn't listen.

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www.alternet.org/story/149776/12_examples_of_stunning_hypocrisy_from_tea_party_republicans_in_one_short_month

www.alternet.org/story/155253/the_right-wing's_20_biggest_sex_hypocrites

www.forwardprogressives.com/tag/republican-hypocrisy/

www.huffingtonpost.com/news/gop-hypocrisy/

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How about his guy? Staunchly pro-life.

Why This Lawmaker Opposes Abortion For Everyone Except His Own Wife And Mistress

A Tennessee Republican is making headlines for voting in favor of a national abortion ban, even after pressuring the women in his own life to have legal abortions.

thinkprogress.org/health/2015/05/18/3659910/abortion-vote-desjarlais/




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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
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If you have actual examples--please post them.


 None?  Exactly as I thought.


 I don't need to convince MYSELF, and YOU wouldn't listen.

flan


 Fact.



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weltschmerz wrote:

How about his guy? Staunchly pro-life.

Why This Lawmaker Opposes Abortion For Everyone Except His Own Wife And Mistress

A Tennessee Republican is making headlines for voting in favor of a national abortion ban, even after pressuring the women in his own life to have legal abortions.

thinkprogress.org/health/2015/05/18/3659910/abortion-vote-desjarlais/



I know this man well.  I've worked along side him for a few years now.

He is indeed Pro-life, but he didn't used to be.  I USED to pro-choice myself.  People change.

Remember when Obama said that he thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman.  Well, he has "evolved".  So has Scott... 



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weltschmerz wrote:

How about his guy? Staunchly pro-life.

Why This Lawmaker Opposes Abortion For Everyone Except His Own Wife And Mistress

A Tennessee Republican is making headlines for voting in favor of a national abortion ban, even after pressuring the women in his own life to have legal abortions.

thinkprogress.org/health/2015/05/18/3659910/abortion-vote-desjarlais/



 My favorite headline of the day (so far)!!!

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My favorite quote of the day:

"if you are a good transgender, no one will question you"


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Lets just stick to low hanging fruit for examples from the right: Lots of affairs from Newt Gingrich, Phillip Hinkle, Christopher Lee, Chris Meyers, Mark Sanford...

But really, why do you need examples? Every group has people in it that are hypocritical. I think that the parties (both Democratic & Republican) should do their best to out these people and get good candidates that really live and follow through with what they say they stand for.


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weltschmerz wrote:

www.alternet.org/story/149776/12_examples_of_stunning_hypocrisy_from_tea_party_republicans_in_one_short_month

www.alternet.org/story/155253/the_right-wing's_20_biggest_sex_hypocrites

www.forwardprogressives.com/tag/republican-hypocrisy/

www.huffingtonpost.com/news/gop-hypocrisy/


   Deflect, deflect.  It's what you do.  Try addressing the CONTENT of the post for a change.  Oh, yeah, post other links, say it's a biased source, attack the messeger, whatever.  But, whatever you do, DON"T address the CONTENT of the article.



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Husker asked for examples, and I gave him examples.

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I think the difference is personal life vs when it affects others.



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Lets just stick to low hanging fruit for examples from the right: Lots of affairs from Newt Gingrich, Phillip Hinkle, Christopher Lee, Chris Meyers, Mark Sanford...

But really, why do you need examples? Every group has people in it that are hypocritical. I think that the parties (both Democratic & Republican) should do their best to out these people and get good candidates that really live and follow through with what they say they stand for.


 Is this NOT obvious?

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weltschmerz wrote:

Husker asked for examples, and I gave him examples.


So, do YOU think Bruce is being a hypocrite? 



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I think the difference is personal life vs when it affects others.


 I think it does affect others when you campaign to keep marriage between a man and a woman and a candidate says that they believe marriage is a very important vow between a man and only a woman and people need to respect the institution of marriage.  Then they go off and disrespect it by having an affair. Not cool.  I wouldn't want a person like that in party voting on those issues.

This goes both ways.  I have no respect for Hilary Clinton and the way she stands by Bill Clinton and his grabby ass hands and yet she says she stands for women.  Bull****. She does not stand for women.



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weltschmerz wrote:

Husker asked for examples, and I gave him examples.


 LOL.  Did you even open and read the articles? I clicked on that last one - it just takes you to a page of headlines.  Try discussing content.



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Bonny22Pye wrote:
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I think the difference is personal life vs when it affects others.


 I think it does affect others when you campaign to keep marriage between a man and a woman and a candidate says that they believe marriage is a very important vow between a man and only a woman and people need to respect the institution of marriage.  Then they go off and disrespect it by having an affair. Not cool.  I wouldn't want a person like that in party voting on those issues.

This goes both ways.  I have no respect for Hilary Clinton and the way she stands by Bill Clinton and his grabby ass hands and yet she says she stands for women.  Bull****. She does not stand for women.


 I agree.  I don't want a candidate that lies, or cheats, or breaks the law and gets away with it, or anything else. 



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That's not what I mean.

If someone cheats on their spouse, they are scum.

If someone wants to create a situation that breeds the ability of pedophiles getting access to children by letting anyone use what ever bathroom they want to, they are creating a dangerous situation.



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And the left is so afraid religion is going to influence their laws, but they have no problem trampling on religious freedoms.
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Some of those in the middle and on the right are afraid of the very same thing. Not so much because of the influence it might have now because those in the middle and on the right that are afraid probably agree with them, but because of the bad precedent it will set that it's acceptable for religion and law to mix.

What happens when Christians are no longer the dominant religion? What do we do then? Do we say "It only counted when Christians were in power"? That won't fly. Precedent is precedent.

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If you have actual examples--please post them.

None? Exactly as I thought.
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Have you been living under a rock the past couple of decades?

Let's go back all the way to Jim Bakker. We can start there. From there we go to: Catholic priests and Altar boys; Representatives running on "family values" tickets that get caught with hookers or "escorts" or interns; Presidential shenanigans from JFK & Marilyn to Bill Clinton getting his willy slicked by Monica; and so on and so forth.

As was stated, each and every group has it's hypocrites. Christians are no different just because Christians are Christian.

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If you have actual examples--please post them.

None? Exactly as I thought.
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Have you been living under a rock the past couple of decades?

Let's go back all the way to Jim Bakker. We can start there. From there we go to: Catholic priests and Altar boys; Representatives running on "family values" tickets that get caught with hookers or "escorts" or interns; Presidential shenanigans from JFK & Marilyn to Bill Clinton getting his willy slicked by Monica; and so on and so forth.

As was stated, each and every group has it's hypocrites. Christians are no different just because Christians are Christian.


 Good point!  The Duggars come to mind.



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If you have actual examples--please post them.

None? Exactly as I thought.
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Have you been living under a rock the past couple of decades?

Let's go back all the way to Jim Bakker. We can start there. From there we go to: Catholic priests and Altar boys; Representatives running on "family values" tickets that get caught with hookers or "escorts" or interns; Presidential shenanigans from JFK & Marilyn to Bill Clinton getting his willy slicked by Monica; and so on and so forth.

As was stated, each and every group has it's hypocrites. Christians are no different just because Christians are Christian.


 Well, that is the mistake that people seem to make.  Human beings are human beings.  And, human beings are all flawed creatures.  So Christians have the same temptation to sin as anyone else.  IF you are looking for a church full of perfect people, good luck with that.  Real Christians sit in churches because they know they are sinners, not because they think they are following some rules to the letter.



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If you have actual examples--please post them.

None? Exactly as I thought.
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Have you been living under a rock the past couple of decades?

Let's go back all the way to Jim Bakker. We can start there. From there we go to: Catholic priests and Altar boys; Representatives running on "family values" tickets that get caught with hookers or "escorts" or interns; Presidential shenanigans from JFK & Marilyn to Bill Clinton getting his willy slicked by Monica; and so on and so forth.

As was stated, each and every group has it's hypocrites. Christians are no different just because Christians are Christian.


 Well, that is the mistake that people seem to make.  Human beings are human beings.  And, human beings are all flawed creatures.  So Christians have the same temptation to sin as anyone else.  IF you are looking for a church full of perfect people, good luck with that.  Real Christians sit in churches because they know they are sinners, not because they think they are following some rules to the letter.


 But most Christians realize this, that they are sinners and need salvation, while others think nothing they do is wrong. 



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Christians are human beings. And, if you look for perfection in other human beings you will be sorely disappointed. Like people literally flip out when we find out that someone is a flawed human being. Yeah, everyone is. Yeah, Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. Yeah, politicians have their issues. Everyone else does too. There was only one perfect person on this planet.

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But most Christians realize this, that they are sinners and need salvation, while others think nothing they do is wrong.
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I agree with that 100%. I was just answering huskerbb's challenge. He wanted examples, I figured I'd provide ones he could relate to, and should already know about if, as I alluded to, he hasn't been living under a rock.

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