TOTALLY GEEKED!

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

RE: Target: Open Restroom Policy

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Yes, except my friend is a local Kroger manager, and he's been trying to convert all his bathrooms to unisex, but can't get corporate to send the stuff to do it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Most Krogers here have a Family Restroom, which is basically the same idea.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you are sitting on the toilet and some perv comes in, that is a very vulnerable position to be in. Probably best to keep your gun on your lap.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If you are sitting on the toilet and some perv comes in, that is a very vulnerable position to be in. Probably best to keep your gun on your lap.

Why haven't you locked the door?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Locked the door in a bathroom stall? As if that is going to prevent some perv? Oh, ok. Of course i lock the door.

FNW · Guru

I don't know.....I don't appreciate making special exceptions for a small minority of people who have a mental disease. And I believe trans is a mental disease. However, I don't feel that a sign is going to prevent pervs from entering a restroom and raping or attacking anyone, male or female. And I don't believe a sign is going to keep peepers from peeping. Peepers gonna peep. Molesters gonna molest.

It makes no difference to me whether a man is in the restroom with me, as long as he is minding his own business and taking care of business. I know there are women (my mother included) who have a problem entering a restroom and having to walk past a line of urinals. I've done it, even while the urinals were being used (in Japan), and it's no biggie to me.

But I think if they are going to start making unisex bathrooms, then they should be floor to ceiling with no peep cracks and with locks on the doors, like they do in other countries that have unisex bathrooms. Personally, I think that would solve the problem.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It gives them legitimacy to be there in the first place. To lay in wait.

Mary Zombie · Guru

The concept of changing things for everyone based on the problems of a few is what bothers me the most about the whole thing FNW.

FNW · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
The concept of changing things for everyone based on the problems of a few is what bothers me the most about the whole thing FNW.

Amen.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Most Krogers here have a Family Restroom, which is basically the same idea.

flan

No. It isnt.

A family restroom is a one seater.

HUGE difference.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Most Krogers here have a Family Restroom, which is basically the same idea.

flan
No. It isnt.
A family restroom is a one seater.
HUGE difference.

Which ANYONE can use.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Most Krogers here have a Family Restroom, which is basically the same idea.

flan
No. It isnt.
A family restroom is a one seater.
HUGE difference.

Which ANYONE can use.
flan

Yes. Anyone can use it.

The problem is the multiple seat bathrooms in which anyone can use.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The Target boycott pledge is now up to 340,000.

FNW · Guru

Years ago we were driving up to PA to visit the in-laws. My parents came with us. We stopped at a Shell Gas Station on Route 15. We went into the women's room and there were two toilets. Side by side. No stalls, just the toilets. We looked at each other, and I said, "I"ll race you!" We laughed so hard.

Sadly, that gas station has since closed. Thinking back, I still giggle.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

FNW wrote:
Years ago we were driving up to PA to visit the in-laws. My parents came with us. We stopped at a Shell Gas Station on Route 15. We went into the women's room and there were two toilets. Side by side. No stalls, just the toilets. We looked at each other, and I said, "I"ll race you!" We laughed so hard.

Sadly, that gas station has since closed. Thinking back, I still giggle.

That's funny. I wonder who designed that!

flan

FNW · Guru

I don't know, but it was hilarious. It was a single bathroom, meaning you lock the door behind you. My mother & I went in together, and I just plopped myself down. She did the same but I thought she was going to fall off she was laughing so hard.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

What else can you do except laugh?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've seen bathrooms like that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

All this nonsense will affect dorms. Girls taking showers and men can now walk in. Funny how the Left talks a good game of protecting woman and children but never does.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
All this nonsense will affect dorms. Girls taking showers and men can now walk in. Funny how the Left talks a good game of protecting woman and children but never does.

There have been co-ed dorms for a long time.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
All this nonsense will affect dorms. Girls taking showers and men can now walk in. Funny how the Left talks a good game of protecting woman and children but never does.
There have been co-ed dorms for a long time.
flan

Co-ed dorms are for college students, and they still don't share bathrooms. Do you even think before you post?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
All this nonsense will affect dorms. Girls taking showers and men can now walk in. Funny how the Left talks a good game of protecting woman and children but never does.
There have been co-ed dorms for a long time.
flan
Co-ed dorms are for college students, and they still don't share bathrooms. Do you even think before you post?

LGS brought up dorms. Do you really think living on a different floor will matter if a guy wants to see a naked woman?

There was a story last week about a guy drilling holes in the women's shower walls so he could spy on them.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Sure so let's make it easy and legal. That's makes perfect sense.

Ohfour · Hooker

Well, THAT certainly didn't take long!!!!

Let's get this out of the way right at the start: No one is mistaking Matthew Foerstel for a "transgender person" for lack of the better one-word noun I'm sure someone will come up with very soon. He's clearly just a male pervert going where he's not supposed to be. I don't even think he's claiming to "identify as a woman."

But last week, Target took a step toward completely erasing the distinction between men's bathrooms/dressing rooms and women's bathrooms/dressing rooms when it told everyone to just use whichever one suits their, um, "gender identity."

This week, this:

An O'Fallon, Missouri man was arrested on April 23 after allegedly secretly filming women in a Target dressing room.

Matthew Foerstel, 26, faces felony charges for invasion of privacy in the second degree and unlawful possession of a firearm.

The Brentwood Police Department arrested Foerstel on April 23 after he allegedly held a camera phone under a dressing room door while a female shopper tried on swim suits at the Target store in Brentwood.

An officer went to Ranken Technical College to place Foerstel under arrest and reportedly found him in possession of a loaded handgun.

In 2013, Foerstel was convicted of invasion of privacy in St. Charles County for "knowingly and intentionally" filming an 11-year-old girl while she was partially nude inside a department store dressing room.

The left will insist this has nothing to do with letting transgender people use the rest room of their choice, but here's why they're wrong: Some guy decides to wander into the ladies' dressing area. An employee sees him. Does the employee stop him? How does the employee decide? Maybe the guy doesn't look transgender, but is that the test? Who has defined it? And if anyone does define it, who's to say activists won't change the definition next week?

The company has just made a very public show of announcing its intention to be "inclusive" by letting everyone go wherever they think they should go. If an employee stops a guy because he looks like a guy and that's the ladies' room, does the employee risk the wrath of the company because everyone was supposed to know this is A-OK?

I'm sure Target is wasting all kinds of money developing a protocol and training employees for how to follow it, but if you're an employee, how can you really be sure the company will back you the first time you stop and question someone, only to find out he's got every activist organization ready with their lawyers and the media on speed-dial?

With their announcement last week, Target basically gave the middle finger everyone who feels uncomfortable about a person of the opposite sex just showing up in their restroom or dressing room. This incident understandably will leave Target customers wondering if the company would really take steps to keep a guy like this from going where he doesn't belong.

Would they? Really? Are you sure? I'm sure as hell not.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I have seen numerous groups formed to boycott Target over the last few days. I think the lack of dollars will make them change their policy soon.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

So if an employee sees a person (of either sex) sticking a camera phone UNDER a dressing room door, they are supposed to do nothing? You can't tell me there aren't store cameras there to help cut down on shoplifting.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
So if an employee sees a person (of either sex) sticking a camera phone UNDER a dressing room door, they are supposed to do nothing? You can't tell me there aren't store cameras there to help cut down on shoplifting.

flan

REALLY?

Um, it's illegal to have cameras in dressing rooms.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

An 11 year old girl. Wonderful.

And flan - how are employees to see inside the dressing rooms unless they are peeking themselves?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So if an employee sees a person (of either sex) sticking a camera phone UNDER a dressing room door, they are supposed to do nothing? You can't tell me there aren't store cameras there to help cut down on shoplifting.

flan
REALLY?

Um, it's illegal to have cameras in dressing rooms.

According to Legal Match:

Do Stores Install Cameras in Dressing Rooms?

As a theft prevention measure, many retail stores use cameras to monitor fitting rooms. This practice is on the rise, due to improved technology and the availability of smaller and less expensive cameras. Similarly, two-way mirrors are also used for this purpose in some stores.

Is It Legal to Monitor a Dressing Room?

The legality of installing cameras in dressing rooms depends on what state the store is located in, and whether the camera records or is simply a live feed. In some states, it is perfectly legal to monitor the dressing room of a retail store by camera or two way mirror, and for all intents and purposes, a live, non-recording camera is a modern equivalent. In other states, this practice is banned outright over privacy concerns.

Many states have taken a middle ground approach, by allowing surveillance, even recorded surveillance, but requiring that the store post obvious and conspicuous notices to inform consumers that they are being monitored.

- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/are-cameras-in-dressing-rooms-legal.html#sthash.ZeOzQ9sv.dpuf

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 11:13:51 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WE have one store around here that does this, and it tells you that it is monitored by a female security personnel in the women's dressing rooms. No idea what the men's says since I don't go in there.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
WE have one store around here that does this, and it tells you that it is monitored by a female security personnel in the women's dressing rooms. No idea what the men's says since I don't go in there.

Yes, they have to clearly inform the customers IF they are being monitored.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So if an employee sees a person (of either sex) sticking a camera phone UNDER a dressing room door, they are supposed to do nothing? You can't tell me there aren't store cameras there to help cut down on shoplifting.

flan
REALLY?

Um, it's illegal to have cameras in dressing rooms.
According to Legal Match:
Do Stores Install Cameras in Dressing Rooms?
As a theft prevention measure, many retail stores use cameras to monitor fitting rooms. This practice is on the rise, due to improved technology and the availability of smaller and less expensive cameras. Similarly, two-way mirrors are also used for this purpose in some stores.
Is It Legal to Monitor a Dressing Room?
The legality of installing cameras in dressing rooms depends on what state the store is located in, and whether the camera records or is simply a live feed. In some states, it is perfectly legal to monitor the dressing room of a retail store by camera or two way mirror, and for all intents and purposes, a live, non-recording camera is a modern equivalent. In other states, this practice is banned outright over privacy concerns.
Many states have taken a middle ground approach, by allowing surveillance, even recorded surveillance, but requiring that the store post obvious and conspicuous notices to inform consumers that they are being monitored.
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/are-cameras-in-dressing-rooms-legal.html#sthash.ZeOzQ9sv.dpuf

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 11:13:51 AM

Well, they don't here, thank God. I don't want people watching me trying on clothes. But if that gets your jollies off, go right ahead...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WE have one store around here that does this, and it tells you that it is monitored by a female security personnel in the women's dressing rooms. No idea what the men's says since I don't go in there.
Yes, they have to clearly inform the customers IF they are being monitored.
flan

But if I found out there was a MAN on the other side of that camera, even a trans-gender, I'd sue their ass off.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So if an employee sees a person (of either sex) sticking a camera phone UNDER a dressing room door, they are supposed to do nothing? You can't tell me there aren't store cameras there to help cut down on shoplifting.

flan
REALLY?

Um, it's illegal to have cameras in dressing rooms.
According to Legal Match:
Do Stores Install Cameras in Dressing Rooms?
As a theft prevention measure, many retail stores use cameras to monitor fitting rooms. This practice is on the rise, due to improved technology and the availability of smaller and less expensive cameras. Similarly, two-way mirrors are also used for this purpose in some stores.
Is It Legal to Monitor a Dressing Room?
The legality of installing cameras in dressing rooms depends on what state the store is located in, and whether the camera records or is simply a live feed. In some states, it is perfectly legal to monitor the dressing room of a retail store by camera or two way mirror, and for all intents and purposes, a live, non-recording camera is a modern equivalent. In other states, this practice is banned outright over privacy concerns.
Many states have taken a middle ground approach, by allowing surveillance, even recorded surveillance, but requiring that the store post obvious and conspicuous notices to inform consumers that they are being monitored.
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/are-cameras-in-dressing-rooms-legal.html#sthash.ZeOzQ9sv.dpuf

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 11:13:51 AM
Well, they don't here, thank God. I don't want people watching me trying on clothes. But if that gets your jollies off, go right ahead...

It's too early in the day for such stupidity.

Teenager walks in a dressing room wearing sweat pants & an expensive pair of jeans...figure out the rest.

flan

apple · Guru

I shopped at Target once, wasn't impressed. They closed down the Canadian stores, apparently Canada just doesn't "get" Target.

As far as the washroom issue, I don't really have a problem with it.

I don't see transgender people as freaks, pedophiles or rapists.

I worked with a transgender person for over 2 years. I'm certain that had they used the washroom that reflected their gender on their birth certificate, there would have been a very big issue at work.

As it was, nobody knew and this person managed to use the washroom that corresponded to the gender they reflected in the mirror and identified with. Strangely no one was raped, no children were molested either.

I don't want to frighten you all but it just may be that you have used the public washroom at the same time as a transgender, and not known it.

Yes, its true! biggrin

Ohfour · Hooker

As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...

Repeatedly.

Ohfour · Hooker

Here's another one for ya!

insider.foxnews.com/2016/04/26/pennsylvania-man-allegedly-spied-little-girl-public-bathroom-charged-child-porn

A Pennsylvania man was arrested after a 10-year-old girl told her mom that she saw him spying on her inside a public bathroom.

Employees of a Sheetz in Lancaster said that James Thomas Shoemaker, 19, was in the bathroom of the store for around an hour, according to WHTM-TV.

Authorities said that he was watching pornography on his phone before he used the camera to look over on the stall next to his.

Shoemaker was initially charged with invasion of privacy, WHTM reported.

But he has now been charged with possession of child pornography, after investigators who examined his phone said that they found several nude photos of his 16-year-old girlfriend.

Shoemaker was jailed Thursday on a $250,000 bail.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.

This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."

Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."

apple · Guru

Oh and hello, :) its nice to see you too.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.
This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."
Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."

And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is? Anyone can say they are trans-gender.

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Oh and hello, :) its nice to see you too.

I must have missed your original greeting.

Welcome back.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.
This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."
Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."
And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is? Anyone can say they are trans-gender.

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.

No that is simply what the good Christians would have you believe.

Target supports the federal Equality Act, which provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.
This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."
Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."

No, it's about the pervs that record little girls changing clothes.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.
This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."
Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."
And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is? Anyone can say they are trans-gender.

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.
No that is simply what the good Christians would have you believe.
Target supports the federal Equality Act, which provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.

Target already has unisex family restrooms. And they obviously have no problem discriminating against the women and children who shop there.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...
Repeatedly.
This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."
Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."
And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is? Anyone can say they are trans-gender.

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.
No that is simply what the good Christians would have you believe.
Target supports the federal Equality Act, which provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.

And anyone can SAY the are trans...just like the guy caught with kiddie pron...

Um...and there is no Federal Protection for LGBT. That's simply a lie, one that far too many people fall for...

Riding · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Toilets. Bathrooms.
Toilette. Salles de bain.
Bathrooms? You don't bathe in there. That's as "wrong" as restroom...
People have been known to bathe in the sink, like the homeless. Or hookers. I've never seen anyone napping in there.
Rest doesn't mean sleep. I rest on the toilet all the time...It's a great place to hide out from the kids...

I did too, with 5 kids they all seemed to *NEED* me desperately when I went in the room they were sure I would never return from! jeez the only window was one I would not fit through...but the worry was real

Ohfour · Hooker

Here ya go!!!!!

Despite widespread belief to the contrary, no federal law explicitly protects LGBT people from discrimination. Thursday (July 23, 2015) marks the introduction of The Equality Act, a comprehensive bill that would, if passed, add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to the protections that already exist based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.

Stalled in Congress...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Here are some numbers for you.

The population of the U.S. is 318.9 million people.

The number of known trans-genders in the U.S. is nearly 700,000.

The number of registered sex offenders in the U.S. is 747,408.

So, those of you that think it is a non-issue. There are more registered sex offenders in the population than known trans-genders.

Good job on making their fetishes easier to indulge!