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flan327 wrote:
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It's not about transgender rights.

It's about NOT making it LEGAL for predators to have easier access to their victims.


 I'm not buying that. Its about discrimination, using fear tactics is a trait of certain special interest groups.

The fact is nothing really has changed. Transgenders will keep using the washrooms they have always used.

You continue to ignore the fact that family, single stall washrooms are available, this is very telling.

If you are worried about pedophiles, you should know that pedophiles are virtually always adult males who are known and trusted by the children they abuse.

 

 


You really have a hard time comprehending don't you?  Twice, in the past 48 hours, two males, claiming to be transgendered,  were caught filming girls...one in a bathroom and one in a dressing room.  Because of this policy, they cannot keep men out of women's restrooms or dressing rooms.

 


 I did not see that claim.

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Everyone's granddaughter can be filmed in a restroom. Everyone's mother, sister, daughter, niece, wife and granddaughter's are at serious risk of the perverts that will use this open access to their advantage. THAT is what ALL women get to look forward too. Yay, "we made the porn show" coming soon to a female family member near you.
Women are losing their right to privacy, but who cares.


 What does that have to do with being gay? That was the post I was commenting on.

How do you not notice someone filming you?

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Where is the claim of transgender?

An O'Fallon, Missouri man was arrested on April 23 after allegedly secretly filming women in a Target dressing room.

Matthew Foerstel, 26, faces felony charges for invasion of privacy in the second degree and unlawful possession of a firearm.

The Brentwood Police Department arrested Foerstel on April 23 after he allegedly held a camera phone under a dressing room door while a female shopper tried on swim suits at the Target store in Brentwood.

An officer went to Ranken Technical College to place Foerstel under arrest and reportedly found him in possession of a loaded handgun.

In 2013, Foerstel was convicted of invasion of privacy in St. Charles County for "knowingly and intentionally" filming an 11-year-old girl while she was partially nude inside a department store dressing room.

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As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...


 Repeatedly.


 This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

 

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."

Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."


 And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is?  Anyone can say they are trans-gender.  

 

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.  


 No that is simply what the good Christians would have you believe. 

Target supports the federal Equality Act, which provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.

 


And anyone can SAY the are trans...just like the guy caught with kiddie pron...

Um...and there is no Federal Protection for LGBT.  That's simply a lie, one that far too many people fall for... 


 Don't see the claim in this story, either:

A Pennsylvania man was arrested after a 10-year-old girl told her mom that she saw him spying on her inside a public bathroom.


Employees of a Sheetz in Lancaster said that James Thomas Shoemaker, 19, was in the bathroom of the store for around an hour, according to WHTM-TV.

Authorities said that he was watching pornography on his phone before he used the camera to look over on the stall next to his.


Shoemaker was initially charged with invasion of privacy, WHTM reported.

But he has now been charged with possession of child pornography, after investigators who examined his phone said that they found several nude photos of his 16-year-old girlfriend.

Shoemaker was jailed Thursday on a $250,000 bail.

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Well, now, there doesn't have to be a claim.

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flan327 wrote:
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As we have said, it's not the transgendered that we are worried about. It's the people taking advantage of the policy to do untoward things. As has already happened. And Target won't do a thing about it...


 Repeatedly.


 This is ALL about transgender. Obviously.

 

Target stores "have single-stall, family restrooms for those who may be more comfortable with that option."

Target made its position public in a blog post last week, stating that the company welcomes "transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."


 And exactly how shall Target determine what someone's actual gender identity is?  Anyone can say they are trans-gender.  

 

They have made it clear that they would rather endanger children than offend anyone.  


 No that is simply what the good Christians would have you believe. 

Target supports the federal Equality Act, which provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.

 


And anyone can SAY the are trans...just like the guy caught with kiddie pron...

Um...and there is no Federal Protection for LGBT.  That's simply a lie, one that far too many people fall for... 


 Don't see the claim in this story, either:

A Pennsylvania man was arrested after a 10-year-old girl told her mom that she saw him spying on her inside a public bathroom.


Employees of a Sheetz in Lancaster said that James Thomas Shoemaker, 19, was in the bathroom of the store for around an hour, according to WHTM-TV.

Authorities said that he was watching pornography on his phone before he used the camera to look over on the stall next to his.


Shoemaker was initially charged with invasion of privacy, WHTM reported.

But he has now been charged with possession of child pornography, after investigators who examined his phone said that they found several nude photos of his 16-year-old girlfriend.

Shoemaker was jailed Thursday on a $250,000 bail.

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How about this: Let's make laws that make peeping illegal. Let's make laws that make secretly recording illegal. Let's make laws that make all the bad things that people are worried about illegal. Then we can make it legal for people to use the bathroom without the "well they'll _________________ if we don't stop everyone!" hysteria.

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How about this: Let's make laws that make peeping illegal. Let's make laws that make secretly recording illegal. Let's make laws that make all the bad things that people are worried about illegal. Then we can make it legal for people to use the bathroom without the "well they'll _________________ if we don't stop everyone!" hysteria.


 



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Force Miss Canada to use the men's room.

She was born a dude.



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Arrested for assault, or filming, or lewd acts in womens bathrooms. 

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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Well, now, there doesn't have to be a claim.


 Except 04 stated that they were claiming to be transgender.

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Force Miss Canada to use the men's room.

She was born a dude.


Wow...Canada is more fvcked up that I thought...no 



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Canada can think for itself, actually.

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Canada has their own issues.

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Unisex bathrooms. That's all it takes.

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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.


Lol! I picked one at random...Norwood Burns. 

It happened in 2010, so what on earth does he have to do with this new law?

 



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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.


Lol! I picked one at random...Norwood Burns. 

It happened in 2010, so what on earth does he have to do with this new law?

 


 The point is, this law will make it legal for them to be in the women's bathroom.

 



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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.


Furthermore, he never claimed to enter 'under the transgender banner', so why are you making chit up?



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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.


Furthermore, he never claimed to enter 'under the transgender banner', so why are you making chit up?


 To prove a pointless point?

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"Wow...Canada is more fvcked up that I thought...no "

 

 

 

 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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All of them entering the women's restroom under the "I'm a transgender" banner.


Furthermore, he never claimed to enter 'under the transgender banner', so why are you making chit up?


 These pervs are going to waltz right in now.

They won't have to claim anything.

Of course you have no moral compass so you probably think it'll be ok anyway.

 



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GOP North Carolina Attorney General Nominee Tells Haters: Fight Hard To Keep Our State Straight

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Wow! The US is more fvcked up than I thought!

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"Wow...Canada is more fvcked up that I thought...no "

 

 

 

 


 No. You dont.

You pay for it.



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Straight pride. It's a good thing.

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That's the point. Men who aren't transgender can legally enter the ladies room. They can SAY they are though. I don't know what what's unclear. The peeping cases are case and point as to why it's a bad idea. I don't believe any of you who would say you'd be ok with it



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Mary Zombie wrote:

That's the point. Men who aren't transgender can legally enter the ladies room. They can SAY they are though. I don't know what what's unclear. The peeping cases are case and point as to why it's a bad idea. I don't believe any of you who would say you'd be ok with it



-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Wednesday 27th of April 2016 01:40:22 PM


 Neither do I.  Unfortunately, it oftentimes takes someone themselves or close to them being a victim before it hits home.  This idyllic little world where sex offenders and perverts are a "myth" does not exist. 



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weltschmerz wrote:

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"Wow...Canada is more fvcked up that I thought...no "

 

 

 

 


That would not surprise me in the least.   



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That's the point. Men who aren't transgender can legally enter the ladies room. They can SAY they are though. I don't know what what's unclear. The peeping cases are case and point as to why it's a bad idea. I don't believe any of you who would say you'd be ok with it



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 Neither do I.  Unfortunately, it oftentimes takes someone themselves or close to them being a victim before it hits home.  This idyllic little world where sex offenders and perverts are a "myth" does not exist. 


Little liberal heads just do not understand.  No matter how many times we explain it.  It's a mental block... 



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This action by Target is because last month.... North Carolina rushed a bill barring trans people from using the bathroom of the gender they identify.
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Which means in NC, Target cannot have their way. Are they going to close their NC stores?

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Which means in NC, Target cannot have their way. Are they going to close their NC stores?


 Target is taking a stand against North Carolina’s transphobic bathroom bill, saying its customers and employees can use the bathroom that matches their gender identity.

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Target is going to have to answer to its shareholders when the profits go down.

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And if Target violates the law and a woman gets assaulted in their bathroom, they are going to get their asses sued off.

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Which means in NC, Target cannot have their way. Are they going to close their NC stores?


 Target is taking a stand against North Carolina’s transphobic bathroom bill, saying its customers and employees can use the bathroom that matches their gender identity.

Get it?


And because of that, most of the Targets here will be closed within a couple of months... 



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Which means in NC, Target cannot have their way. Are they going to close their NC stores?


 Target is taking a stand against North Carolina’s transphobic bathroom bill, saying its customers and employees can use the bathroom that matches their gender identity.

Get it?


And because of that, most of the Targets here will be closed within a couple of months... 


 You wish.  I doubt it, although many Target Stores have already been struggling and closed. Not do to this situation.



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Which means in NC, Target cannot have their way. Are they going to close their NC stores?


 Target is taking a stand against North Carolina’s transphobic bathroom bill, saying its customers and employees can use the bathroom that matches their gender identity.

Get it?


And because of that, most of the Targets here will be closed within a couple of months... 


 You wish.  I doubt it, although many Target Stores have already been struggling and closed. Not do to this situation.


I've yet to hear of one closing because of struggling.  In my town alone, over 300 have been laid off...and the hours have changed.  The lot is empty... 



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I have owned stock in Target for many years and have made a tidy sum from it. Today, I sold all of it. I can not in good conscience profit from a company that puts a higher priority on the less than 1% population than it places on the wellfare of its mostly female customer base.



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Straight pride. It's a good thing.


 Because you CHOSE to be born White and straight...

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That's the point. Men who aren't transgender can legally enter the ladies room. They can SAY they are though. I don't know what what's unclear. The peeping cases are case and point as to why it's a bad idea. I don't believe any of you who would say you'd be ok with it



-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Wednesday 27th of April 2016 01:40:22 PM


 Neither do I.  Unfortunately, it oftentimes takes someone themselves or close to them being a victim before it hits home.  This idyllic little world where sex offenders and perverts are a "myth" does not exist. 


Little liberal heads just do not understand.  No matter how many times we explain it.  It's a mental block... 


 And there's ANOTHER insult.

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Straight pride. It's a good thing.


 Because you CHOSE to be born White and straight...

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 Flan: Using your logic, there should be no gay pride either.



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Considering you called another poster idiotic today, you really need to shut up.

 

That's directed at flan, of course. 



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Target is going to have to answer to its shareholders when the profits go down.


 DH usually watches the CBS morning news. They had a report on Target & the woman executive (not from Target, one of their go-to business people) said that an economic boycott has not worked since the 60's.

Whatever business Target loses will be balanced by those who support them...just like Chik-Fil-A.

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Straight pride. It's a good thing.


 Because you CHOSE to be born White and straight...

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 Flan: Using your logic, there should be no gay pride either.


 Try being oppressed for centuries, then get back to me.

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flan327 wrote:
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Straight pride. It's a good thing.


 Because you CHOSE to be born White and straight...

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 Flan: Using your logic, there should be no gay pride either.


 Try being oppressed for centuries, then get back to me.

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Flan, pointing out your logic fail does not require oppression of any sort.

If Lily cannot have straight pride because she didn't choose to be straight then gays cannot have gay pride because they didn't choose to be gay.



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flan327 wrote:
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Target is going to have to answer to its shareholders when the profits go down.


 DH usually watches the CBS morning news. They had a report on Target & the woman executive (not from Target, one of their go-to business people) said that an economic boycott has not worked since the 60's.

Whatever business Target loses will be balanced by those who support them...just like Chik-Fil-A.

flan


 Really?  So you are saying that all the economic boycotting going on against NC won't work? 

 



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Officials in North Carolina's hospitality industry say the state's new law affecting transgender people is damaging the state's tourism business, as both individuals and large groups cancel trips in protest over the legislation widely condemned for eroding LGBT rights.
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At this point, the visitors authority estimates that damage could amount to approximately $84 million US in the city of Charlotte alone, based on potentially lost spending from 36 events whose organizers have expressed concern about the law.
The largest of those at-risk events, said Gina Sheridan, chief marketing and communications officer for the visitors authority, is the 2017 NBA all-star game. NBA commissioner Adam Silver has publicly called on North Carolina to change the law if it wants the event to stay in Charlotte next February.

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