Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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People get assaulted in shelters all the time. This isn't really news. Women get assaulted by women, men by men, cross genders, children, etc. Shelters are understaffed dangerous places full of drugs. They are not safe havens and do not have bouncers. Skid row in my city is one of two places in Canada known as a hotspot for the Missing and Murdered Women investigations (Vancouver's Downtown East Side and the North's Highway of Tears). And the Pickton Murder trials. Many of those women were in shelters and murdered by men. They don't even need to dress up.

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 So, let's just open the doors and let them right in?  Yeah, that makes sense.

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 They're already in.  This is nothing new.  That's the point.

Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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People get assaulted in shelters all the time. This isn't really news. Women get assaulted by women, men by men, cross genders, children, etc. Shelters are understaffed dangerous places full of drugs. They are not safe havens and do not have bouncers. Skid row in my city is one of two places in Canada known as a hotspot for the Missing and Murdered Women investigations (Vancouver's Downtown East Side and the North's Highway of Tears). And the Pickton Murder trials. Many of those women were in shelters and murdered by men. They don't even need to dress up.

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 So, let's just open the doors and let them right in?  Yeah, that makes sense.

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 They're already in.  This is nothing new.  That's the point.

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 It's nothing new--so we don't care.  Got it.

huskerbb wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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People get assaulted in shelters all the time. This isn't really news. Women get assaulted by women, men by men, cross genders, children, etc. Shelters are understaffed dangerous places full of drugs. They are not safe havens and do not have bouncers. Skid row in my city is one of two places in Canada known as a hotspot for the Missing and Murdered Women investigations (Vancouver's Downtown East Side and the North's Highway of Tears). And the Pickton Murder trials. Many of those women were in shelters and murdered by men. They don't even need to dress up.

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 So, let's just open the doors and let them right in?  Yeah, that makes sense.

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 They're already in.  This is nothing new.  That's the point.

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 It's nothing new--so we don't care.  Got it.

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 We can always leave it up to Husker to make up things that aren't there.  At least it gives some insight into his perspective.

Tignanello wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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People get assaulted in shelters all the time. This isn't really news. Women get assaulted by women, men by men, cross genders, children, etc. Shelters are understaffed dangerous places full of drugs. They are not safe havens and do not have bouncers. Skid row in my city is one of two places in Canada known as a hotspot for the Missing and Murdered Women investigations (Vancouver's Downtown East Side and the North's Highway of Tears). And the Pickton Murder trials. Many of those women were in shelters and murdered by men. They don't even need to dress up.

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 So, let's just open the doors and let them right in?  Yeah, that makes sense.

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 They're already in.  This is nothing new.  That's the point.

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 It's nothing new--so we don't care.  Got it.

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 We can always leave it up to Husker to make up things that aren't there.  At least it gives some insight into his perspective.

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 More excuses.

Tignanello wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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No. It isn't new.

Trans people have been using the bathroom of their choice forever.

It isn't those I worry about. They dont want to expose themselves.

It's the really messed up freaks I don't want in there.

Thats the ones who have a point to make or the pedophiles and opportunists.

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 Precisely.  It's an extreme minority and articles like this are designed to make people think that it happens every day - when in fact it's basic violence that happens every day regardless of gender.  Maybe we should focus on that.  Blocking transgenders from washroom choice because they might assault a woman or child is like barring men from being Catholic priests because they might be pedophiles.  In fact, why DO we still allow men to be Catholic priests?  Haven't they demonstrated their propensity to be pedophiles?  Shouldn't we just have female Catholic priests at this point?  It would be safer for the alter boys.

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Why stop at Catholic priests?

In a Baptist Church, the Pastor and Church leaders are often revered by members of the congregation, especially the young children.  It is this enormous power combined with the influence that the Church has over the lives of its members that creates such a dangerous atmosphere for childhood sexual abuse in the Baptist faith. 

Studies reveal that childhood sexual abuse is as prevalent in the Baptist Church as it is in the Roman Catholic Church.  Yet this denomination often has no procedures for tracking abusive clergy who are transferred out of state, for removing accused abusers from ministry, or for informing congregants that their officials have been accused of violating children.  Numerous Baptist clergy have been arrested and convicted for criminal sexual misconduct.  The absence of a central agency for Baptist Churches to report known or suspected child molesters has resulted in preachers moving from one church to another without their new congregation ever learning about the history of sexual abuse.

http://www.hermanlaw.com/practice-areas/clergy/baptist-sex-abuse

weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Any opportunity for Weltz to bash religion.

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Rigfht....I should remain silent on sex abuse by priests. It might hurt your widdle feelings. 

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 No.

No one should.

But you are about as far from objective when it comes to religion as a person can be.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Any opportunity for Weltz to bash religion.

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 She was stating a fact.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Any opportunity for Weltz to bash religion.

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 She was stating a fact.

flan

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 Let's see how your statement holds up when it is a post you disagree with.

Tignanello wrote:

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I don't see any mocking here - in fact, I brought up the comparison. If you are going to blame the act of a few individuals on an entire cohort than we need to expand our views. Priests are an interesting debate topic.

If a man pretends to be a woman to assault women in the bathroom we should not allow men who present as women into women's bathrooms = if a male priest is a sex offender we should not allow male priests because they could be sex offenders. However, we do not allow women to be clergy in many major religions, including those which have had major international sex abuse scandals dating back generations. And yet, this article which sensationalizes the act of one individual is used to make an argument that should apply to the whole.

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 That is why the analogy works.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Who made the "assertion?"

flan

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 Can't remember who you agreed with?

flan327 wrote:

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I don't have time to play games with you, Lily.

flan

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 Translation = Flan will never answer a question because she can't remember what she said before.

Tangled webs and all that.

huskerbb wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Any opportunity for Weltz to bash religion.

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Right....I should remain silent on sex abuse by priests. It might hurt your widdle feelings. 

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Saturday 23rd of April 2016 03:21:26 PM

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 NO ONE has supported that--or remained silent on it, as far as that goes, except for those involved and those involved with covering it up.  When the media found out, they were all over it. 

YOU, however, want this to be silenced.  

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 Imaginary land again.

huskerbb wrote:

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You want to gloss over it because it's not "new".

More excuses.

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 If you're going to add to the discussion, add to it.  Don't just make stuff up to hear your own voice.  

huskerbb wrote:

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I have to reject your patent nonsense.

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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I don't have time to play games with you, Lily.

flan

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 Translation = Flan will never answer a question because she can't remember what she said before.

 

Tangled webs and all that.

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 Translation = Lily is blathering again.

And if you are going to call me a liar, have the guts to say the words.

flan

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 So you DO remember who you agreed with? 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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No. It isn't new.

Trans people have been using the bathroom of their choice forever.

It isn't those I worry about. They dont want to expose themselves.

It's the really messed up freaks I don't want in there.

Thats the ones who have a point to make or the pedophiles and opportunists.

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 Precisely.  It's an extreme minority and articles like this are designed to make people think that it happens every day - when in fact it's basic violence that happens every day regardless of gender.  Maybe we should focus on that.  Blocking transgenders from washroom choice because they might assault a woman or child is like barring men from being Catholic priests because they might be pedophiles.  In fact, why DO we still allow men to be Catholic priests?  Haven't they demonstrated their propensity to be pedophiles?  Shouldn't we just have female Catholic priests at this point?  It would be safer for the alter boys.

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Why stop at Catholic priests?

In a Baptist Church, the Pastor and Church leaders are often revered by members of the congregation, especially the young children.  It is this enormous power combined with the influence that the Church has over the lives of its members that creates such a dangerous atmosphere for childhood sexual abuse in the Baptist faith. 

Studies reveal that childhood sexual abuse is as prevalent in the Baptist Church as it is in the Roman Catholic Church.  Yet this denomination often has no procedures for tracking abusive clergy who are transferred out of state, for removing accused abusers from ministry, or for informing congregants that their officials have been accused of violating children.  Numerous Baptist clergy have been arrested and convicted for criminal sexual misconduct.  The absence of a central agency for Baptist Churches to report known or suspected child molesters has resulted in preachers moving from one church to another without their new congregation ever learning about the history of sexual abuse.

http://www.hermanlaw.com/practice-areas/clergy/baptist-sex-abuse

 

 

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 Baptists, however, allow female clergy.  Roman Catholics and other orthodox religions rarely do.

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 Baptists do not allow female clergy.  They allow female worship leaders and Sunday school teachers, but not pastors.  But because most of the Sunday school teachers are women - the men in the church do not have unfettered access to children.

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 Hmmm.  My mistake.  I must have been thinking Unitarian.  No more male Baptist clergy either then.