Grandpa wants his grandsons to "fetch him a beer" out of the ice chest. Mom is having a conniption because she doesn't think minors should "touch" alcohol. Dad says it's fine. Amy pretty much agrees with dad.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
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Both my kids have been making me mixed drinks for years. My brother used to get tips when he would run drinks at my parents pool parties. Not a problem for our family, but if I had a strong belief against something I probably wouldn't bring my kids around it. I am a heathen so there hasn't been anywhere they didn't go with me if they wanted that wasn't age allowed.
If gramps is an alcoholic and drinking a lot around his grandkids then yes, that might be a backstory. If he's having an occassional or even daily beer or two, then fine.
If gramps is an alcoholic and drinking a lot around his grandkids then yes, that might be a backstory. If he's having an occassional or even daily beer or two, then fine.
Not really. So what if some old guy drinks too much? So what if he drinks a "lot" around his grandkids (a VERY subjective measure, in any case)?
Neither is particularly relevant to this situation. Mom can't stop him from drinking simply by getting in a snit about her kids fetching him some beers.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It's her kid, not the grandpa's kid. She can make whatever rules she wants for her kid. If gramps wants to get tanked, then fine, he may. Who cares? But that doesn't mean your kid has to fetch him his booze. We used to be sensitive to "corruption of minors" which was exposing kids to situations that maybe are too adult for them.
Recently, at a family gathering, I overheard my father-in-law ask my oldest to grab him a “beer” from an ice chest.
My father-in-law is not in the best of health. He is overweight, drinks a lot and to add to it many in my husband’s family are heavy alcohol drinkers.
I tend to avoid these parties with my children when alcohol is involved. Growing up, I was never asked to grab a beer for my father or for any other adult. My children, or any child under the age of 21, should not be touching alcoholic beverages.
I’ve expressed my concerns to my husband, but he just brushes it off and says I’m overreacting. He also says that as a child he too would grab a beer from the fridge for his father and it didn’t bother him.
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Am I overreacting, because this does not feel normal to me. Since my husband has no intention of letting his father know how I feel, I need your advice on how I should approach this the next time it happens. — Mama Bear
Dear Mama: You are overreacting. For some of us, having a younger person around to fetch beers from the ice chest is pretty much why we have children in the first place.
I’m joking, of course. But by the time I was 8, my father was giving me money and a “permission slip” and sending me to the store on my bike to buy smokes (those were the days when a store clerk would sell a child a pack of unfiltered Camels).
I’m not saying this sort of choice demonstrates good parenting (or grandparenting), but it is typical behavior of a certain type of person. For your son, the experience of handing the beer to his grandfather might be counted as some of the most positive contact the two have (Grandpas who ask kids to fetch beers tend not to be touchy-feely types). You should not take this overly seriously, but you can use it as a reason to talk to your son about healthy choices.
You can ask your son if he felt comfortable being asked to do this. You can also tell him, “I don’t like the idea of an underage person fetching alcohol, so the next time this happens I’d appreciate it if you just came to me or your dad and let us handle this chore.” You can also ask your father-in-law (respectfully) not to ask the children to bring him beer.
It's her kid, not the grandpa's kid. She can make whatever rules she wants for her kid. If gramps wants to get tanked, then fine, he may. Who cares? But that doesn't mean your kid has to fetch him his booze. We used to be sensitive to "corruption of minors" which was exposing kids to situations that maybe are too adult for them.
It's NOT just "her" kid. The kid has a father, too.
She can make whatever rules she wants--as long as they are in agreement with the father.
No, the kids don't "have" to fetch him booze--but why shouldn't grandkids get things for their grandparents who have a hard time getting up and down? Would you be having a cow if he wanted a glass of tea or a Mountain Dew?
As to the last point--good grief. A few people sitting around drinking beers is NOT an "adult" situation. Millions of people do it every day. They aren't in a bar. This is NOT any "corruption" of minors.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think that unless this person is drunk or will get drunk at every function, there is nothing wrong with it.
And by the way - the LW is wrong. You don't have to be 21 to legally "touch" alcohol. Bartenders and waitresses only have to be 18 to serve it. A kid can pass an adult a beer, however, without issue.
LW is the kind that would call CPS because a kid toted in a case of beer from the car. Geesh.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think that unless this person is drunk or will get drunk at every function, there is nothing wrong with it.
And by the way - the LW is wrong. You don't have to be 21 to legally "touch" alcohol. Bartenders and waitresses only have to be 18 to serve it. A kid can pass an adult a beer, however, without issue.
LW is the kind that would call CPS because a kid toted in a case of beer from the car. Geesh.
That must differ from state to state. Here a clerk who is under 18 cannot scan liquor at a grocery store.
I think that unless this person is drunk or will get drunk at every function, there is nothing wrong with it.
And by the way - the LW is wrong. You don't have to be 21 to legally "touch" alcohol. Bartenders and waitresses only have to be 18 to serve it. A kid can pass an adult a beer, however, without issue.
LW is the kind that would call CPS because a kid toted in a case of beer from the car. Geesh.
That must differ from state to state. Here a clerk who is under 18 cannot scan liquor at a grocery store.
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How is that different from what I said?
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Personally, I think there should be exceptions to the law when it comes to drinking.
I'm not a drinker. Have had the very occasional drink over the years, but not a drinker.
But I think those in the military should be able to drink.
I think if an 18-20 year old is adult enough to defend our country, they should be able to have a beer.
I know this thread isn't about this, just saying.
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I think that unless this person is drunk or will get drunk at every function, there is nothing wrong with it.
And by the way - the LW is wrong. You don't have to be 21 to legally "touch" alcohol. Bartenders and waitresses only have to be 18 to serve it. A kid can pass an adult a beer, however, without issue.
LW is the kind that would call CPS because a kid toted in a case of beer from the car. Geesh.
That must differ from state to state. Here a clerk who is under 18 cannot scan liquor at a grocery store.
Personally, I think there should be exceptions to the law when it comes to drinking.
I'm not a drinker. Have had the very occasional drink over the years, but not a drinker.
But I think those in the military should be able to drink.
I think if an 18-20 year old is adult enough to defend our country, they should be able to have a beer.
I know this thread isn't about this, just saying.
Alcohol laws in this country are, quite frankly, generally stupid. They are a hodge pudge of local and state ordinances that often make absolutely no sense. Many are left over from the old temperance movement back in the late 19th and early 20rh centuries.
Very few of them truly address public safety, or even nuisances. I believe that, compared to Europe, many of our laws actually encourage irresponsible use of alcohol.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Personally, I think there should be exceptions to the law when it comes to drinking.
I'm not a drinker. Have had the very occasional drink over the years, but not a drinker.
But I think those in the military should be able to drink.
I think if an 18-20 year old is adult enough to defend our country, they should be able to have a beer.
I know this thread isn't about this, just saying.
Alcohol laws in this country are, quite frankly, generally stupid. They are a hodge pudge of local and state ordinances that often make absolutely no sense. Many are left over from the old temperance movement back in the late 19th and early 20rh centuries.
Very few of them truly address public safety, or even nuisances. I believe that, compared to Europe, many of our laws actually encourage irresponsible use of alcohol.
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I am agreeing with Lily AND husker on the same thread.
