TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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We still have corporal punishment in our schools in my state. And there is not one town/county where spanking is illegal.

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 Reason #4755 why I would never move to TN.

flan

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 Hate to tell you this, but your state's law allows it, too!

"Law does not limit right of parent/guardian/custodian to use reasonable corporal punishment when disciplining a child."

 

 

 

In fact, that sounds more open to it than Tennessee's - 

"Permits criminal charges against a parent/guardian/custodian who administers "unreasonable" corporal punishment which causes "injury" to the child."

 

 

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 All I care about is where MY kids went to school.

flan

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 Yeah.  To hell with all kids that aren't mine.  

Liberal ideals at their finest, ladies and gentlemen.

huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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We still have corporal punishment in our schools in my state. And there is not one town/county where spanking is illegal.

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 Reason #4755 why I would never move to TN.

flan

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 Hate to tell you this, but your state's law allows it, too!

"Law does not limit right of parent/guardian/custodian to use reasonable corporal punishment when disciplining a child."

 

 

 

In fact, that sounds more open to it than Tennessee's - 

"Permits criminal charges against a parent/guardian/custodian who administers "unreasonable" corporal punishment which causes "injury" to the child."

 

 

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 All I care about is where MY kids went to school.

flan

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 Yeah.  To hell with all kids that aren't mine.  

Liberal ideals at their finest, ladies and gentlemen.

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 Like you would listen to ANYONE who told you how to discipline YOUR children?

flan

chef wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I never hit my kids.

But I did spank them.

A well place pop on the bottom can make a strong point.

Slapping a hand away as it reached for something hot or dangerous makes a strong point too.

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 I don't know ANY parent that would let their child get a serious burn rather than swatting their hand away.

flan

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 But that's hitting the child. Thought you were against that. Or, are you acknowledging that there are instances in which physically disciplining a child is ok?

And, yes, slapping their hand away is physically disciplining them.

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 You can twist my words all you want. You can also spank, hit, slap or whup your son.

flan

msrock wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Regardless of what many people think, you really can't "control" your kid... but you can control their environment.

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 I never wanted to control my kids.

I wanted them to learn to control themselves.

 

Actually, that's what I'd tell them. That was their warning.

I'd look them square in the eye and in a calm, quiet voice I'd say, either control yourself or I will, and you don't want me to do it.

 

They'd straighten right up.

 

 

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I have a strong willed child.  That would never work for him as a 5 year old or as a teenager.  My other two children were easy.  Not this one. 

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 I do, too. Jesse has the stubbornness of a mountain. He just ain't moving.

That's why nothing worked except a pop on the bottom.

It didn't happen often enough that it became common.

If he got popped, it got his attention. 

flan327 wrote:

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chef wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I never hit my kids.

But I did spank them.

A well place pop on the bottom can make a strong point.

Slapping a hand away as it reached for something hot or dangerous makes a strong point too.

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 I don't know ANY parent that would let their child get a serious burn rather than swatting their hand away.

flan

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 But that's hitting the child. Thought you were against that. Or, are you acknowledging that there are instances in which physically disciplining a child is ok?

And, yes, slapping their hand away is physically disciplining them.

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 You can twist my words all you want. You can also spank, hit, slap or whup your son.

flan

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 LOL! I didn't twist your words. Nice try.

See the bolded red text, Flan? Those are your words. Care to explain exactly how I twisted them?

weltschmerz wrote:

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I can tell my child to not hit others, then hit him because I'm bigger.
What kind of message does that send?
You'd be OK with your kid hitting a smaller child, as long as it "doesn't leave a mark?"

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 You don't spank because you are bigger.  You spank to get a point driven home.  And when done properly, it works. 

 

My five year old knows the difference between spanking and hitting someone.  It's a shame so many adults don't. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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I can tell my child to not hit others, then hit him because I'm bigger.
What kind of message does that send?
You'd be OK with your kid hitting a smaller child, as long as it "doesn't leave a mark?"

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 You don't spank because you are bigger.  You spank to get a point driven home.  And when done properly, it works. 

 

My five year old knows the difference between spanking and hitting someone.  It's a shame so many adults don't. 

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 Agreed.

Some of us prefer our children learn to avoid danger quickly and simply rather than have them potentially hurt themselves badly.


The swatting of the hand to avoid getting a burn? Same principle. If you've ever slapped a hand away - you have no business judging spanking - because according to your definition, it's still hitting.

Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

weltschmerz wrote:

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Some of us know how to drive a point home without hitting.

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 I am not judging anyones parenting style. I just know that not hitting worked for me and many people I know.

To me spanking is hitting.  Spanking is when an adult hits a smaller, less powerful person, calling it spanking does not change that fact.

 

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

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 Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

 

Is this a bait and switch tactic?

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 It's a fairly simple connection.  Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?

apple wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Some of us know how to drive a point home without hitting.

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 I am not judging anyones parenting style. I just know that not hitting worked for me and many people I know.

To me spanking is hitting.  Spanking is when an adult hits a smaller, less powerful person, calling it spanking does not change that fact.

 

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Of course it's hitting! 

apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

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 Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

 

Is this a bait and switch tactic?

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 It's a fairly simple connection.  Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?

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 Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really) 

Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.

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 Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

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 Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

 

Is this a bait and switch tactic?

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 No. 

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 Using this sort of "logic" I could assume that if you support the right to own guns, and guns kill so many Americans each year, well then you support murder.

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That would be about the stupidest thing said today...other than the article that said that since gun ownership has gone up, crime has fallen, and that's a bad thing... 

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

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 Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

 

Is this a bait and switch tactic?

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 No. 

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 Using this sort of "logic" I could assume that if you support the right to own guns, and guns kill so many Americans each year, well then you support murder. No.  Gun ownership has nothing to do with killing.  Abortion has everything to do with, well, abortion.

We own several guns. I've never killed anyone with them.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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We own several guns. I've never killed anyone with them.

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 So guns don't kill?

apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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We own several guns. I've never killed anyone with them.

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 So guns don't kill?

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 Nope.  People kill people.  A gun just lays there until someone picks it up and uses it.  Same as a knife, a baseball bat, fists, poison, etc. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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We own several guns. I've never killed anyone with them.

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 So guns don't kill?

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 Nope.  People kill people.  A gun just lays there until someone picks it up and uses it.  Same as a knife, a baseball bat, fists, poison, etc. 

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 Sorry but the remarkable amount of gun deaths in the USA prove otherwise. 

You own guns just so you can keep them laying around the house?

apple wrote:

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You own guns just so you can keep them laying around the house?

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No, we like to target shoot.   

apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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We own several guns. I've never killed anyone with them.

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 So guns don't kill?

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 Nope.  People kill people.  A gun just lays there until someone picks it up and uses it.  Same as a knife, a baseball bat, fists, poison, etc. 

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 Sorry but the remarkable amount of gun deaths in the USA prove otherwise. 

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 so guns can kill people without someone pulling the trigger?  

You must not have the faintest idea how they work.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Some of us prefer our children learn to avoid danger quickly and simply rather than have them potentially hurt themselves badly.


The swatting of the hand to avoid getting a burn? Same principle. If you've ever slapped a hand away - you have no business judging spanking - because according to your definition, it's still hitting.

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 Logic fail.

flan

lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

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 Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

 

Is this a bait and switch tactic?

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 No. 

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 Using this sort of "logic" I could assume that if you support the right to own guns, and guns kill so many Americans each year, well then you support murder.

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 Guns do not kill. Guns are inanimate objects.

People kill people.

 

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 Well, that settles it then...

Guns kill people faster & easier then knives.

flan