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Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and mental health issues

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

Is this a bait and switch tactic?
It's a fairly simple connection. Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?
Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really)
Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.
Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.
Not really. I know people who are very against abortion but are also very concerned that a womans right to choose not be taken from her.

Stick around...Next will come the claim that we "celebrate" abortions.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Thinking a woman's right to choose trumps the life of a child is crappy.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

Is this a bait and switch tactic?
It's a fairly simple connection. Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?
Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really)
Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.
Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.
Not really. I know people who are very against abortion but are also very concerned that a womans right to choose not be taken from her.
Stick around...Next will come the claim that we "celebrate" abortions.
flan

Some people do....

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

This is from the Cambridge online dictionary:

Spank (verb)

to hit someone, esp. a child, with the hand on the buttocks, usually as a punishment

flan

huskerbb · Guru

You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

Is this a bait and switch tactic?
It's a fairly simple connection. Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?
Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really)
Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.
Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.
Not really. I know people who are very against abortion but are also very concerned that a womans right to choose not be taken from her.
Stick around...Next will come the claim that we "celebrate" abortions.
flan
Some people do....

Really? I can't imagine that. Have you ever been to an abortion party or a celebration of an abortion get together? Do they have E-vites for that?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

Is this a bait and switch tactic?
It's a fairly simple connection. Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?
Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really)
Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.
Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.
Not really. I know people who are very against abortion but are also very concerned that a womans right to choose not be taken from her.
Stick around...Next will come the claim that we "celebrate" abortions.
flan
Some people do....
Really? I can't imagine that. Have you ever been to an abortion party or a celebration of an abortion get together? Do they have E-vites for that?

Don't hold your breath waiting for her to prove it.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Taking discipline advice from those who advocate abortion makes zero sense to me.

Who advocates abortion and what does that have to do with parenting styles?

Is this a bait and switch tactic?
It's a fairly simple connection. Abortion advocates think nothing of killing a child, but spanking one is someone worse?
Not a logical connection but nice try. (well not really)
Who is an abortion advocate? I don't know of any personally.
Anyone who is in favor of the right to get an abortion is an abortion advocate.
Not really. I know people who are very against abortion but are also very concerned that a womans right to choose not be taken from her.
Stick around...Next will come the claim that we "celebrate" abortions.
flan
Some people do....
Really? I can't imagine that. Have you ever been to an abortion party or a celebration of an abortion get together? Do they have E-vites for that?
Don't hold your breath waiting for her to prove it.
flan

Oh Flannie...I'm not the one that hides when called out...

http://www.glamour.com/story/health-controversy-women-who-t

http://www.salon.com/2009/07/09/abortion_party/

Need more, I can keep going...

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.

Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Saying that you are not ASHAMED of having an abortion is a different matter.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Saying that you are not ASHAMED of having an abortion is a different matter.

flan

Ahem...

One of the two feminist women who launched the viral Twitter campaign #ShoutYourAbortion admitted on her Facebook page that she was so excited to abort her baby, she announced it to everyone in a Seattle building using a coat hanger and a positive pregnancy test as props.

Amelia Bonow started the #ShoutYourAbortion crusade on Sept. 19, urging women who are proud of their abortions to share their stories on Twitter. But on Bonow’s Facebook page, the feminist went beyond just using a hashtag, and boasted that before she aborted her child last year, she announced her decision to everyone in The Laurelton, a historically liberal apartment building in Seattle.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/22/founder-of-shoutyourabortion-campaign-announced-her-abortion-using-coat-hanger/#ixzz473xyt8tH

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I rarely believe anything you post any more.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Denial doesn't change the truth.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
I rarely believe anything you post any more.

flan

See, I supply links! Easily verified.

You just don't want to believe that you are 100% WRONG. Hiding again...status quo...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Denial doesn't change the truth.

Westboro Baptist "Church"

EVERY group has fringe elements.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I rarely believe anything you post any more.

flan
See, I supply links! Easily verified.
You just don't want to believe that you are 100% WRONG. Hiding again...status quo...

So this is part of your JOB DESCRIPTION? Follow around a Liberal on an uber-Conservative message board? How much exactly are you paid for that?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Maybe, if some of these people getting abortions had more spankings as children, they wouldn't be having to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

X-Files...wanna know what episode I'm going to continue watching, since I've already fed the dogs & put the laundry in the dryer...

flan

apple · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Saying that you are not ASHAMED of having an abortion is a different matter.

flan

I think it is not for me to judge.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I rarely believe anything you post any more.

flan
See, I supply links! Easily verified.
You just don't want to believe that you are 100% WRONG. Hiding again...status quo...
So this is part of your JOB DESCRIPTION? Follow around a Liberal on an uber-Conservative message board? How much exactly are you paid for that?
flan

Really? Seems to be mostly you that follows me, but whatever. Hmmm...another deflection...

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Maybe, if some of these people getting abortions had more spankings as children, they wouldn't be having to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.

lol Lilly.

Maybe they WERE spanked and are now in abusive relationships because they associate pain with love.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I also want to know why these women can't choose BC.

Don't get pregnant if you don't want a baby.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Maybe, if some of these people getting abortions had more spankings as children, they wouldn't be having to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.
lol Lilly.

Maybe they WERE spanked and are now in abusive relationships because they associate pain with love.

Or it isn't abusive and the pain is just foreplay!

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I also want to know why these women can't choose BC.

Don't get pregnant if you don't want a baby.

I wish they would. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation. :)

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.
Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

Then they favor abortion. You can't have it both ways.

You can't say "well, I'm against people robbing other people's houses"--but then say "but I support their right to do that".

You ARE condoning what they do.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.
Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

Then they favor abortion. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say "well, I'm against people robbing other people's houses"--but then say "but I support their right to do that".

You ARE condoning what they do.

No, you are comparing apples and oranges. A person can be pro choice and not pro abortion.

I don't agree with a lot of things people do, but as long as it is legal, its not my business.

Also, speaking as a woman, it wasn't THAT long ago we could not even vote and were not recognized as human beings. In many places in the world, women still are chattel, living in misogynistic societies.

I will never agree to let the government take away a womans right to do what she wishes with her own body. Besides, even if abortion was illegal, we know that does nothing to stop it from happening.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.
Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

Then they favor abortion. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say "well, I'm against people robbing other people's houses"--but then say "but I support their right to do that".

You ARE condoning what they do.
No, you are comparing apples and oranges. A person can be pro choice and not pro abortion.
I don't agree with a lot of things people do, but as long as it is legal, its not my business.
Also, speaking as a woman, it wasn't THAT long ago we could not even vote and were not recognized as human beings. In many places in the world, women still are chattel, living in misogynistic societies.
I will never agree to let the government take away a womans right to do what she wishes with her own body. Besides, even if abortion was illegal, we know that does nothing to stop it from happening.

Yeah, it will still happen, but criminalizing it would make it happen less...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.
Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

Then they favor abortion. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say "well, I'm against people robbing other people's houses"--but then say "but I support their right to do that".

You ARE condoning what they do.
No, you are comparing apples and oranges. A person can be pro choice and not pro abortion.
I don't agree with a lot of things people do, but as long as it is legal, its not my business.
Also, speaking as a woman, it wasn't THAT long ago we could not even vote and were not recognized as human beings. In many places in the world, women still are chattel, living in misogynistic societies.
I will never agree to let the government take away a womans right to do what she wishes with her own body. Besides, even if abortion was illegal, we know that does nothing to stop it from happening.

Yeah, it will still happen, but criminalizing it would make it happen less...

I doubt it will happen less, it will just be less safe and we won't know the statistics as it will be back ally abortions.

Ohfour · Hooker

And? Dont care....

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Less safe? It's already fatal each and every time.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You can't say that you are against abortions if you support someone's right to get one.

Well, you can say it but you're lying.

No, I think you are incorrect.
Many people do not agree with abortion but do feel quite strongly that no government should have control over a woman's choices over her own body.

Then they favor abortion. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say "well, I'm against people robbing other people's houses"--but then say "but I support their right to do that".

You ARE condoning what they do.
No, you are comparing apples and oranges. A person can be pro choice and not pro abortion.
I don't agree with a lot of things people do, but as long as it is legal, its not my business.
Also, speaking as a woman, it wasn't THAT long ago we could not even vote and were not recognized as human beings. In many places in the world, women still are chattel, living in misogynistic societies.
I will never agree to let the government take away a womans right to do what she wishes with her own body. Besides, even if abortion was illegal, we know that does nothing to stop it from happening.

I used to feel that way. But, then I realized that some women will always be too selfish to make the right choices without a law. And the government already tells us what we can and can't do in so much, that them telling us not to kill a baby seems very reasonable.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Some of us prefer our children learn to avoid danger quickly and simply rather than have them potentially hurt themselves badly.

The swatting of the hand to avoid getting a burn? Same principle. If you've ever slapped a hand away - you have no business judging spanking - because according to your definition, it's still hitting.

Yep, exactly.

Which is exactly what I said to Flan and she accused me of twisting her words.

msrock · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Maybe, if some of these people getting abortions had more spankings as children, they wouldn't be having to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.

I got spanked. It didn't work for me.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Some of us prefer our children learn to avoid danger quickly and simply rather than have them potentially hurt themselves badly.

The swatting of the hand to avoid getting a burn? Same principle. If you've ever slapped a hand away - you have no business judging spanking - because according to your definition, it's still hitting.
Yep, exactly.
Which is exactly what I said to Flan and she accused me of twisting her words.

Do I need to post the definition of "spanking" again?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Spanking should be safe, legal and rare.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Spanking should be safe, legal and rare.

I'm inclined to agree.

(Lack of sleep may be involved...)

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Whoop! Stop the Presses! But, seriously, we weren't much for spanking. I don't like spanking my kids. It just wasn't DH or our style. I think I spanked my kids a handful of times at most. And, i really don't find it effective for the long haul. For younger kids, having them stand in the corner and face the wall was one of the more effective ones. Not a time out where they are sitting on the sofa looking at you. There are corners Everywhere you go so you can use that as form of discipline literally everywhere. The kids hated that! For older kids i take away privileges.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I also take a longer view of discipline. The point isn't necessarily to stop the behavior in that instance or simply to punish. I view discipline for the long haul to get them on the right track. My oldest son is very strong willed. Even at 20, there are times i will take away all the things i pay for, like his phone, car, etc. OK, if you want to run your mouth at me or not help around the house, then this is the consequence. He might take pleasure in running his mouth for 5 min at me, then he gets to spend the next week or month with riding to and from college with his dad dropping him off and picking him up and he has to wait another hour for DH to get of work, lol. That usually humbles him pretty quickly!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Whoop! Stop the Presses! But, seriously, we weren't much for spanking. I don't like spanking my kids. It just wasn't DH or our style. I think I spanked my kids a handful of times at most. And, i really don't find it effective for the long haul. For younger kids, having them stand in the corner and face the wall was one of the more effective ones. Not a time out where they are sitting on the sofa looking at you. There are corners Everywhere you go so you can use that as form of discipline literally everywhere. The kids hated that! For older kids i take away privileges.

I think I've told this story before...but I'm old...

DS2 was my strong-willed child. When he was about 3, he was misbehaving and I gave him a swat on his bottom.

He looked at me and said, "Hit me again, Mom, that didn't hurt."

That was NOT the kind of parent I wanted to be.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I also take a longer view of discipline. The point isn't necessarily to stop the behavior in that instance or simply to punish. I view discipline for the long haul to get them on the right track. My oldest son is very strong willed. Even at 20, there are times i will take away all the things i pay for, like his phone, car, etc. OK, if you want to run your mouth at me or not help around the house, then this is the consequence. He might take pleasure in running his mouth for 5 min at me, then he gets to spend the next week or month with riding to and from college with his dad dropping him off and picking him up and he has to wait another hour for DH to get of work, lol. That usually humbles him pretty quickly!

Stop making sense, darmit!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Spanking should be safe, legal and rare.

I don't think anyone disputes that. My kids were spanked when their behavior was dangerous to themselves or harmful to others.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Each of my kids, at different times, have thanked me for the discipline I gave them.

Just last night, at the restaurant, a girl around 8 or 9 was at literally running back and forth from one side to the other, taking things off of other tables and talking like she was at an outside sport event. It went on the whole time they were there.

Aaron leaned over and said, thanks for teaching me how to behave.

It's simply ridiculous what parents let kids get away with these days.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Each of my kids, at different times, have thanked me for the discipline I gave them.

Just last night, at the restaurant, a girl around 8 or 9 was at literally running back and forth from one side to the other, taking things off of other tables and talking like she was at an outside sport event. It went on the whole time they were there.

Aaron leaned over and said, thanks for teaching me how to behave.

It's simply ridiculous what parents let kids get away with these days.

We would have left the restaurant.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

But, then again, my kids never behaved like that...

flan

NAOW · Vette's SS

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Whoop! Stop the Presses! But, seriously, we weren't much for spanking. I don't like spanking my kids. It just wasn't DH or our style. I think I spanked my kids a handful of times at most. And, i really don't find it effective for the long haul. For younger kids, having them stand in the corner and face the wall was one of the more effective ones. Not a time out where they are sitting on the sofa looking at you. There are corners Everywhere you go so you can use that as form of discipline literally everywhere. The kids hated that! For older kids i take away privileges.
I think I've told this story before...but I'm old...
DS2 was my strong-willed child. When he was about 3, he was misbehaving and I gave him a swat on his bottom.
He looked at me and said, "Hit me again, Mom, that didn't hurt."
That was NOT the kind of parent I wanted to be.
flan

Yep. That was DD8. She never said those words, but we learned very quickly that a spanking wouldn't work. We would have had to beat her in order to get through to her- which obviously, we weren't going to do.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Each of my kids, at different times, have thanked me for the discipline I gave them.

Just last night, at the restaurant, a girl around 8 or 9 was at literally running back and forth from one side to the other, taking things off of other tables and talking like she was at an outside sport event. It went on the whole time they were there.

Aaron leaned over and said, thanks for teaching me how to behave.

It's simply ridiculous what parents let kids get away with these days.

I never had that problem. I does bother me when I see parents indulge their children at the expense of others.

Perhaps I might make a spanking exception .... :)

Tinydancer · Guru

Maybe it was the parent who needed to be spanked.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
Maybe it was the parent who needed to be spanked.

The parent might like it.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Some of us prefer our children learn to avoid danger quickly and simply rather than have them potentially hurt themselves badly.

The swatting of the hand to avoid getting a burn? Same principle. If you've ever slapped a hand away - you have no business judging spanking - because according to your definition, it's still hitting.
Yep, exactly.
Which is exactly what I said to Flan and she accused me of twisting her words.
Do I need to post the definition of "spanking" again?
flan

Why? So you can prove my point? I'll save you some time and post it myself.

From Google: spanking: an act of slapping, especially on the buttocks as a punishment for children.

Instead of deflecting, explain how I twisted your words. I don't appreciate you lying about my actions. You have equated spanking with hitting many, many times on this board. You acknowledge that a parent shouldn't just let their kid get burned even though they'd have to slap their hand away. I asked if you were admitting that, in some cases, physical punishment is merited. You accused me of twisting your words and you failed to state how I did so.