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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Why the Left Loathes Western Civilization

Ohfour · Hooker

My response exactly...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The left hates standards -- moral standards, artistic standards, cultural standards. The West is built on all three, and it has excelled in all three.

Why does the left hate standards? It hates standards because when there are standards, there is judgment. And leftists don't want to be judged.

Spot on!
Whose morals?

The left are not the haters.

There are haters on BOTH sides.

flan

apple · Guru

I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?

To some posters, just by breathing the same air...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?

Recently, one way, was by wanting public parks reserved for secular use only. Nothing of a religious nature would be allowed.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The left labels anyone who doesn't agree with them as haters. They have no issue calling religious people bigots and homophobes even though the church has never changed it's position on homosexual acts being a sin. They want to force people to take part in sinful unions.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?

When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?

Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.

Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.

Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.

There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?

I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.

Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?
When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

Where did I say all?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.
There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?
I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?
When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

THANK YOU!

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?
When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

THANK YOU!
flan

You would know...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?
When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

Where did I say all?

Implied here:

The left labels anyone who doesn't agree with them as haters. They have no issue calling religious people bigots and homophobes even though the church has never changed it's position on homosexual acts being a sin. They want to force people to take part in sinful unions.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.
There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?
I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...

NOT involved in government...

(I typed that S.L.O.W.L.Y.)

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Most of the leftist hate is aimed towards religion.

So all leftist or Liberals hate the religious?
When people don't agree, it doesn't automatically translate to hate. I think perhaps the word hate is being used by both sides to infer victimization?

Where did I say all?
Implied here:
The left labels anyone who doesn't agree with them as haters. They have no issue calling religious people bigots and homophobes even though the church has never changed it's position on homosexual acts being a sin. They want to force people to take part in sinful unions.
flan

Another good example of how the left is hateful.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.
There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?
I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
NOT involved in government...
(I typed that S.L.O.W.L.Y.)
flan

You CAN'T be that stupid. The Constitution says that government cannot be involved in religion, not that religion cannot be involved in government. Do liberals even actually KNOW what the Constitution says? Apparently not...

apple · Guru

I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

First of all, the Supreme Court cannot shape the Constitution in any way. They can rule on what they interpret, but the Constitution can only be changed by Congress. Even the President does not have that power.

Each religion is indeed protected. But our laws are still (for the most part) influenced by Christian values. It's very hard to get elected here unless you are a professing Christian. And we vote for Christians because we know that they will support laws that support our values.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

First of all, the Supreme Court cannot shape the Constitution in any way. They can rule on what they interpret, but the Constitution can only be changed by Congress. Even the President does not have that power.
Each religion is indeed protected. But our laws are still (for the most part) influenced by Christian values. It's very hard to get elected here unless you are a professing Christian. And we vote for Christians because we know that they will support laws that support our values.

The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court's considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of "judicial review" has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a "living Constitution" whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations.

While the function of judicial review is not explicitly provided in the Constitution, it had been anticipated before the adoption of that document. Prior to 1789, state courts had already overturned legislative acts which conflicted with state constitutions. Moreover, many of the Founding Fathers expected the Supreme Court to assume this role in regard to the Constitution; Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, for example, had underlined the importance of judicial review in the Federalist Papers, which urged adoption of the Constitution.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx

Ohfour · Hooker

That's what I said. They cannot change the Constitution. They can "invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court's considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution". The Constitution is the standard. It cannot be changed by SCOTUS.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.
There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?
I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
NOT involved in government...
(I typed that S.L.O.W.L.Y.)
flan
You CAN'T be that stupid. The Constitution says that government cannot be involved in religion, not that religion cannot be involved in government. Do liberals even actually KNOW what the Constitution says? Apparently not...

Should I be keeping count of the insults? Once you reach a certain number, do you get a sticker?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I don't have a horse in this race so I'm asking this out of curiosity.

How does the Left display Hate?
Well, let's see.

The BLM looters And thugs.
Several anti-trump demonstrations have turned violent.
Taking people to court who won't bake them a damn cake.

Perhaps it is all in the way you look at things.
There are always two sides, the lefties are trying to protect people from discrimination. How is that hateful?
I think Trump has a lot of enemies, not all lefties...he is pretty liberal (pardon the pun) in how he feels about immigrants and such.
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
NOT involved in government...
(I typed that S.L.O.W.L.Y.)
flan
You CAN'T be that stupid. The Constitution says that government cannot be involved in religion, not that religion cannot be involved in government. Do liberals even actually KNOW what the Constitution says? Apparently not...
Should I be keeping count of the insults? Once you reach a certain number, do you get a sticker?
flan

How was that an insult?

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OK - let's understand something about Christianity vs. other religions in government.

God tells Christians to follow the rules of their government unless they directly conflict with God's law - it does not require the government to be run according to God's law. Other religions, specifically Islam, wants the government controlled by religious law.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?

I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.

Is that hateful?

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?

And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?

Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.

Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?

Yep!

Ohfour · Hooker

My kids' high school has an elective Bible course. And one of the more popular school clubs is The Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Both school funded...

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?

No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?
- apple

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
- Ohfour

_________________________________________

I believe you are incorrect.

Not having religion involved in government is basically what the First Amendment means when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Unless I am misinterpreting your response.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Each religion is indeed protected. But our laws are still (for the most part) influenced by Christian values.
-Ohfour

______________________________

While I agree that in most cases our laws line up pretty well with our shared Christian values, I don't believe they are values that are exclusive to Christianity.

"Killing is bad" is a tenet of most faiths, "Stealing is bad" is a tenet of most faiths, et cetera, et cetera. I believe that even Atheists and Agnostics recognize these things as "bad" too.

WYSIWYG · Guru

God tells Christians to follow the rules of their government unless they directly conflict with God's law - it does not require the government to be run according to God's law. Other religions, specifically Islam, wants the government controlled by religious law.
- Lawyerlady

_________________________________

Agreed.

And that last sentence is why it's a bad precedent to have Christianity set the precedent that it's acceptable for religion to be involved in our Government. If we set the standard of "It's o.k. as long as it's the dominant religion", what do we do if Islam becomes the dominant religion in this country and then wants to institute Sharia Law? Nothing. That's what. Because precedent that religion is acceptable in law has already been set by us.

Th only way to properly mix religion and law is by exclusion. Take the Hobby Lobby case, for example. The Justices erred in their decision. Not because they sided with Hobby Lobby, but because they didn't make the ruling apply to everyone, equally -- Christians, other religions, and even non-believers alike. The test should be "If it can't be law for some because of their religion, then it can't be law for any".

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

WYSIWYG wrote:
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?
- apple

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
- Ohfour

_________________________________________

I believe you are incorrect.

Not having religion involved in government is basically what the First Amendment means when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Unless I am misinterpreting your response.

But when I make the same point, I'm "stupid."

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ummmm, that does not say what you think it says, and the rest of the sentence has been left off.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
Is having your religion kept at a personal level and not involved in government hateful?
- apple

That's pretty much in violation of the constitution...
- Ohfour

_________________________________________

I believe you are incorrect.

Not having religion involved in government is basically what the First Amendment means when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Unless I am misinterpreting your response.
But when I make the same point, I'm "stupid."
flan

Geez people. What that means is that the government cannot be involved in religion, not that religion cannot be involved in government. Why it that so hard to understand?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

They are interpreting it for the way they WANT it to be, not how it actually is.

FNW · Guru

It's quite a misconception, thinking the government has a right or duty to remove religion from public view. I remember the first time I walked into a federal building and noticed all the scriptures employees hung in their offices, spaces, etc. At first I was taken back, then recalled that the government cannot interfere in the practice or beliefs of one's religion. And asking that it be removed from their personal space would be interference.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Each religion is indeed protected. But our laws are still (for the most part) influenced by Christian values.
-Ohfour

______________________________

While I agree that in most cases our laws line up pretty well with our shared Christian values, I don't believe they are values that are exclusive to Christianity.

"Killing is bad" is a tenet of most faiths, "Stealing is bad" is a tenet of most faiths, et cetera, et cetera. I believe that even Atheists and Agnostics recognize these things as "bad" too.

No, they are not. Look at the Muslim tenets of faith regarding Jihad, or honor killings.

Beyond that, it isn't just about murder or robbery. It's about such things as women's rights, or even gay rights. the freedom to complain about the government. The freedom to dress how you want to in most situations.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.

So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.
So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?

Other governments. Do you think people have the same freedoms in Saudi Arabia or Iran that they do here? What religion has influenced those governments? What do you think that religion would do here if they had such influence?

huskerbb · Guru

There has been only one religion that has truly influenced Western Civilization.

If Charles the Hammer had been defeated, do you think a free Western society could have developed? No way.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.
So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?
Other governments. Do you think people have the same freedoms in Saudi Arabia or Iran that they do here? What religion has influenced those governments? What do you think that religion would do here if they had such influence?

I'm just asking because we don't have this sort of battle going on here (Canada) that I am aware of. There are so many religions in America today, I think it is probably best to keep religion and state separate. It seems to work here.

Maybe people should have the right to be free from religion. (not aiming this at any one religion).

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.
So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?
Other governments. Do you think people have the same freedoms in Saudi Arabia or Iran that they do here? What religion has influenced those governments? What do you think that religion would do here if they had such influence?
I'm just asking because we don't have this sort of battle going on here (Canada) that I am aware of. There are so many religions in America today, I think it is probably best to keep religion and state separate. It seems to work here.
Maybe people should have the right to be free from religion. (not aiming this at any one religion).

Wow. You think your form of government just popped up yesterday????

No. EVERY government in the Western World has been heavily influenced by Christianity. That IS the status quo. Saying that all, or even no, religions should have influence on government means you want to change that form of government.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Christianity is an accepting religion. Most of the others are exclusive.

apple · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.
So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?
Other governments. Do you think people have the same freedoms in Saudi Arabia or Iran that they do here? What religion has influenced those governments? What do you think that religion would do here if they had such influence?
I'm just asking because we don't have this sort of battle going on here (Canada) that I am aware of. There are so many religions in America today, I think it is probably best to keep religion and state separate. It seems to work here.
Maybe people should have the right to be free from religion. (not aiming this at any one religion).

Wow. You think your form of government just popped up yesterday????

No. EVERY government in the Western World has been heavily influenced by Christianity. That IS the status quo. Saying that all, or even no, religions should have influence on government means you want to change that form of government.

Has been.WAS the status quo. insofar as Canada.

Times they are a changing. Isn't if fair and equitable to let the people (citizens) speak and have their voices heard? Apparently the VAST majority of Americans identify as Christians, so why are they not being heard in America?

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apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
I understand that there is great debate over the "separation of church and State". Surely over the last 200 years your Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state which protects every religion equally.
Is one religion more acceptable to be included in government decisions?

The Supreme Court doesn't "shape" the constitution, at least they are not supposed to.

As as to your last question--yes. We were founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Do you want a system of government that doesn't respect freedom and individual rights?
I enjoy a government that respects everyone's right to practice their own religion yet maintains a system where religious beliefs are not "forced" on anyone.
Is that hateful?
And that is the system we have--why would you want to change that?
Other religions do NOT have the same sort of ideals when it comes to government.

Islam can be openly practiced in nearly all Christian nations. Christianity and other religions cannot be openly practiced in nearly all Muslim nations.
Is it? Do your publicly funded schools pray or study the bible?
No, that's the point. Other religions are not nearly so tolerant when they influence the government.
So Christianity is not practiced in your public schools. Are any other religions practiced in public schools? What do you mean by other religions influence on government?
Other governments. Do you think people have the same freedoms in Saudi Arabia or Iran that they do here? What religion has influenced those governments? What do you think that religion would do here if they had such influence?
I'm just asking because we don't have this sort of battle going on here (Canada) that I am aware of. There are so many religions in America today, I think it is probably best to keep religion and state separate. It seems to work here.
Maybe people should have the right to be free from religion. (not aiming this at any one religion).

Wow. You think your form of government just popped up yesterday????

No. EVERY government in the Western World has been heavily influenced by Christianity. That IS the status quo. Saying that all, or even no, religions should have influence on government means you want to change that form of government.
Has been.WAS the status quo. insofar as Canada.

Times they are a changing. Isn't if fair and equitable to let the people (citizens) speak and have their voices heard? Apparently the VAST majority of Americans identify as Christians, so why are they not being heard in America?

What are you talking about? They ARE bring heard, which is why it's very difficult to get elected if you are not a Christian...