TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Yes, sex IS a natural urge. What else would it be?

It's the second part of the "statement" that I question.

flan

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 You have said a number of times that people can't control themselves and abstain from sex.  Over and over.  Are you changing your tune now to fit this particular conversation?  I mean, it's normal that you do. 

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 Well, since you are never wrong...

flan

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Apple, with all due respect, you speak like someone who has never dealt with the period some of us have.

It can absolutely be debilitating and disabling.

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 That is absolutely obvious. 

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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If your definition of feminism is that women have to ignore the physical realities of being a women, that's crap.

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 Most people know that librarians tend to be overwhelmingly female. If raging hormones are so wide-spread, I don't know why I never encountered examples.

flan

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 It is absolutely not surprising at all that you haven't noticed or considered it. 

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 You know nothing about me.

flan

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 I know quite a bit - by your own posting.  We've been on boards for years now.  

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 That doesn't matter. You see what you want to see.

flan

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 No.  From your posting I know things about you IRL that are more telling than any opinion or nasty comment you ever post. 

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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What's that old saying, if you can't see it in others, it's probably because it's you.

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 Has Lily seen the light?

flan

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 There is no light where you are concerned. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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What's that old saying, if you can't see it in others, it's probably because it's you.

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 Has Lily seen the light?

flan

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 There is no light where you are concerned. 

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 Again, wrong interpretation.

I was referring to self-awareness.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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And I know things about you IRL that I choose not to comment on.

flan

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 LOL!  There is nothing in my real life that I am ashamed of or otherwise hide.  

And BTW - I've never been stupid enough to share anything too personal with certain people.  If they are willing to talk to you about others, they are willing to talk about you, as well. 

flan327 wrote:

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I have never known anyone one who has not done SOMETHING that they were ashamed of.

flan

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The difference is owning it, apologizing if necessary, repenting if necessary, and moving on.  No one is perfect.  But accepting your mistakes and learning from them is how you grow.  

But there is nothing in my life that you could possibly know that I would care or worry about.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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I have never known anyone one who has not done SOMETHING that they were ashamed of.

flan

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The difference is owning it, apologizing if necessary, repenting if necessary, and moving on.  No one is perfect.  But accepting your mistakes and learning from them is how you grow.  

 

But there is nothing in my life that you could possibly know that I would care or worry about.

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 That's not what you said originally.

flan

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 flan, I'm not going to argue semantics.  You can't possibly know anything about me that I would care, be ashamed of or be upset about.  

Better?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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So, back to the topic - I think the "unprofessional" thing is attitude. If my otherwise pleasant co-worker has PMS and is irritable, my first thought is not - "what a bitch!", my first thought is - "she must be having a bad day" or "ahhh, it's that time, ok, I'll just give her some space". I don't expect women, even professional women, or men for that matter, to be non-emotional robots.

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 Nobody expects that, but if you work with the public, you really don't have the luxury to be a bitch at any time of the month.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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So, back to the topic - I think the "unprofessional" thing is attitude. If my otherwise pleasant co-worker has PMS and is irritable, my first thought is not - "what a bitch!", my first thought is - "she must be having a bad day" or "ahhh, it's that time, ok, I'll just give her some space". I don't expect women, even professional women, or men for that matter, to be non-emotional robots.

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 Nobody expects that, but if you work with the public, you really don't have the luxury to be a bitch at any time of the month.

flan

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 At least they have an excuse.  What's the excuse for the women that are a bitch all month?

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 Then it's likely that they've already been fired.

Oh, wait, I'm too stupid to know that was a P/A dig at me.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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So, back to the topic - I think the "unprofessional" thing is attitude. If my otherwise pleasant co-worker has PMS and is irritable, my first thought is not - "what a bitch!", my first thought is - "she must be having a bad day" or "ahhh, it's that time, ok, I'll just give her some space". I don't expect women, even professional women, or men for that matter, to be non-emotional robots.

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 Nobody expects that, but if you work with the public, you really don't have the luxury to be a bitch at any time of the month.

flan

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 At least they have an excuse.  What's the excuse for the women that are a bitch all month?

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 Then it's likely that they've already been fired.

Oh, wait, I'm too stupid to know that was a P/A dig at me.

flan

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I didn't read that as a P/A dig at all. 

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Ohfour wrote:

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Lol! Thats the most absurd comment, almost ever. Check my emotions at the door. LOL! Im not a robot.

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 If you worked in a professional environment and were a professional of any sort, you would understand that.

Work is about work, in order to succeed professionally, in many careers, you have to be able to compartmentalize your work and your home life. Your emotions need to be kept to yourself. 

Do you see female lawyers, doctors, police officers, or any other such careers agreeable or accepting of female meltdowns once a month? I think not.

 

 

 

 

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I absolutely work in a professional environment.   But my co-workers are family to me.  We watch each others kids, we have cookouts a few times a year.  We attend family weddings.  My boss was the best man at our wedding. We've even vacationed together.

I can't imagine spending so much time with people that I wouldn't consider friends...even family.

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Lol! Thats the most absurd comment, almost ever. Check my emotions at the door. LOL! Im not a robot.

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 If you worked in a professional environment and were a professional of any sort, you would understand that.

Work is about work, in order to succeed professionally, in many careers, you have to be able to compartmentalize your work and your home life. Your emotions need to be kept to yourself. 

Do you see female lawyers, doctors, police officers, or any other such careers agreeable or accepting of female meltdowns once a month? I think not.

 

 

 

 

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I absolutely work in a professional environment.   But my co-workers are family to me.  We watch each others kids, we have cookouts a few times a year.  We attend family weddings.  My boss was the best man at our wedding. We've even vacationed together.

I can't imagine spending so much time with people that I wouldn't consider friends...even family.

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 YOUR experience is NOT the norm.

Business is business. Even on the thread about the woman whose ponytail was too tight, the consensus was that her boss should NOT comment.

Being a professional means that sometimes, you DO check your emotions at the door.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Lol! Thats the most absurd comment, almost ever. Check my emotions at the door. LOL! Im not a robot.

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 If you worked in a professional environment and were a professional of any sort, you would understand that.

Work is about work, in order to succeed professionally, in many careers, you have to be able to compartmentalize your work and your home life. Your emotions need to be kept to yourself. 

Do you see female lawyers, doctors, police officers, or any other such careers agreeable or accepting of female meltdowns once a month? I think not.

 

 

 

 

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I absolutely work in a professional environment.   But my co-workers are family to me.  We watch each others kids, we have cookouts a few times a year.  We attend family weddings.  My boss was the best man at our wedding. We've even vacationed together.

I can't imagine spending so much time with people that I wouldn't consider friends...even family.

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 YOUR experience is NOT the norm.

Business is business. Even on the thread about the woman whose ponytail was too tight, the consensus was that her boss should NOT comment.

Being a professional means that sometimes, you DO check your emotions at the door.

flan

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I would say that YOUR experience is not the norm.  I don't know anyone that has only a professional relationship with their co-workers.   

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Lol! Thats the most absurd comment, almost ever. Check my emotions at the door. LOL! Im not a robot.

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 If you worked in a professional environment and were a professional of any sort, you would understand that.

Work is about work, in order to succeed professionally, in many careers, you have to be able to compartmentalize your work and your home life. Your emotions need to be kept to yourself. 

Do you see female lawyers, doctors, police officers, or any other such careers agreeable or accepting of female meltdowns once a month? I think not.

 

 

 

 

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I absolutely work in a professional environment.   But my co-workers are family to me.  We watch each others kids, we have cookouts a few times a year.  We attend family weddings.  My boss was the best man at our wedding. We've even vacationed together.

I can't imagine spending so much time with people that I wouldn't consider friends...even family.

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 Where did I say we that co-workers can't be friends?  I didn't.

Most of the people i have worked with hang out together after work. We  sort of work hard and play hard together. Sailing trips, ski trips, barbecues... we all went to Elton Johns concert not long ago with comped tickets. Great fun. :)

I think you are having a difficult time understanding what exactly it is to behave in a professional manner at work and being able to separate what is acceptable behavior at work for many career people.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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"Get teary"

If that was the worst of it, I'd be over the moon.

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 I'm sorry you suffer so Lily, I really am.

 

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 Seriously, if there wasn't drugs to control this - I would not stop having children and breast-feeding until the next one came just to avoid having periods.  I'd be just like the Duggars!

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Being professional.

Last time I checked, having and showing emotions is a good thing. In every situation.

And as for women not being as capable as men. There are lots of time, that's absolutely true.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

There are time men are not as capable as women.

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 While emotions are normal and often a good thing...it is not good for professionals to flip out on you because they are menstruating. I can't imagine my lawyer, doctor or any other professional doing this and thinking it is acceptable.

Women have a history of being oppressed, being seen as the weaker sex (professionally). We have, and still are, fighting hard for equality in the work place for equal pay and equal opportunity to advance. 

If you think it is okay and completely acceptable to have emotional outbursts at the workplace and make sure everyone KNOWS when you are menstruating, you do a great disservice to the rest of us fighting for equality.

And yes, I know how can we be considered equal, when we (women) are better. 

Ohfour wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Lol! Thats the most absurd comment, almost ever. Check my emotions at the door. LOL! Im not a robot.

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 If you worked in a professional environment and were a professional of any sort, you would understand that.

Work is about work, in order to succeed professionally, in many careers, you have to be able to compartmentalize your work and your home life. Your emotions need to be kept to yourself. 

Do you see female lawyers, doctors, police officers, or any other such careers agreeable or accepting of female meltdowns once a month? I think not.

 

 

 

 

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I absolutely work in a professional environment.   But my co-workers are family to me.  We watch each others kids, we have cookouts a few times a year.  We attend family weddings.  My boss was the best man at our wedding. We've even vacationed together.

I can't imagine spending so much time with people that I wouldn't consider friends...even family.

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 Where did I say we that co-workers can't be friends?  I didn't.

Most of the people i have worked with hang out together after work. We  sort of work hard and play hard together. Sailing trips, ski trips, barbecues... we all went to Elton Johns concert not long ago with comped tickets. Great fun. :)

 

I think you are having a difficult time understanding what exactly it is to behave in a professional manner at work and being able to separate what is acceptable behavior at work for many career people.

 

 

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A pity that you can't be yourself at work.  I have no problem with that. 

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 I pity the people who are subjected to your menstruation fueled emotional outbursts at work on a regular basis. It almost seems like you use menstruation as an excuse to be quite nasty? Or is it attention you crave? 

Whatever the case, it isn't professional behavior.

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Being professional.

Last time I checked, having and showing emotions is a good thing. In every situation.

And as for women not being as capable as men. There are lots of time, that's absolutely true.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

There are time men are not as capable as women.

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 While emotions are normal and often a good thing...it is not good for professionals to flip out on you because they are menstruating. I can't imagine my lawyer, doctor or any other professional doing this and thinking it is acceptable.

Women have a history of being oppressed, being seen as the weaker sex (professionally). We have, and still are, fighting hard for equality in the work place for equal pay and equal opportunity to advance. 

If you think it is okay and completely acceptable to have emotional outbursts at the workplace and make sure everyone KNOWS when you are menstruating, you do a great disservice to the rest of us fighting for equality.

And yes, I know how can we be considered equal, when we (women) are better. 

 

 

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No one is equal in anything.

That's the leftist talking.

Personally,  I'm glad there are so many differences. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Being professional.

Last time I checked, having and showing emotions is a good thing. In every situation.

And as for women not being as capable as men. There are lots of time, that's absolutely true.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

There are time men are not as capable as women.

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 While emotions are normal and often a good thing...it is not good for professionals to flip out on you because they are menstruating. I can't imagine my lawyer, doctor or any other professional doing this and thinking it is acceptable.

Women have a history of being oppressed, being seen as the weaker sex (professionally). We have, and still are, fighting hard for equality in the work place for equal pay and equal opportunity to advance. 

If you think it is okay and completely acceptable to have emotional outbursts at the workplace and make sure everyone KNOWS when you are menstruating, you do a great disservice to the rest of us fighting for equality.

And yes, I know how can we be considered equal, when we (women) are better. 

 

 

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No one is equal in anything.

That's the leftist talking.

Personally,  I'm glad there are so many differences. 

 

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 If we were all the same life would be boring. 

I take my career seriously, its not a leftist thing. I'm not sure why you would think that.

apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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So, back to the topic - I think the "unprofessional" thing is attitude. If my otherwise pleasant co-worker has PMS and is irritable, my first thought is not - "what a bitch!", my first thought is - "she must be having a bad day" or "ahhh, it's that time, ok, I'll just give her some space". I don't expect women, even professional women, or men for that matter, to be non-emotional robots.

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 I don't really think that emotions should be brought to work. Check them at the door, it is unprofessional to unleash hell on someone because you are having your period, as some would suggest.

Also, I know some women have a more difficult time than others. There is one lady I work with that often gets teary at that time of the month. I give her space and support to get herself together before she has to deal with clients.

My concern is that if women are singled out as being unable to work because of a biological process, it may reinforce the old idea that women are not as capable as men and that they have a disability.

 

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^^^This^^^

Bad enough we're already accused of "being on the rag" every time we assert ourselves or raise our voices.

No need to compound the problem.