TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort McMurray Burns

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

So they have firefighting support but aren't requesting it? Isn't this fire completely out of control & just getting bigger?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

We actually have a ready system in place for this -

www.nifc.gov/nicc/logistics/International%20Agreements/Canada%20Support.pdf

Requests for assistance from Canada to USA shall be placed by NICC to CIFFC.

I have no idea why this isn't being done.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Apparently to annoy Weltz. evileye

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently to annoy Weltz.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan

It's not a name - it's a German word, basically meaning melancholy or world weariness.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan

It's weltsie just like flannie...lol

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's weltsie just like flannie...lol

If I'm "weltsie", then you're "Tiny Cancer"

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan

Oh geez...half the people here don't call me ohfour. It's Oh4 or 04 or something like that. MUST you be perpetually offended?????

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.

So we had to pay for their help? Interesting. Not that I think it is necessarily wrong to pay for services rendered. It's just that I bet the citizens both US & Canadian didn't know & thought they were volunteers.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's weltsie just like flannie...lol
If I'm "weltsie", then you're "Tiny Cancer"

Not even close. One is a shortening of the name - the other replaces a word with an insult. Want to try again?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.
So we had to pay for their help? Interesting. Not that I think it is necessarily wrong to pay for services rendered. It's just that I bet the citizens both US & Canadian didn't know & thought they were volunteers.

Did you pay us for rescuing your hostages?

Did you pay us for bringing your astronauts back to earth?

Did you pay us for the incredible generosity of the people of Gander?

We didn't just let your planes circle until they ran out of fuel and fall into the ocean.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
Oh geez...half the people here don't call me ohfour. It's Oh4 or 04 or something like that. MUST you be perpetually offended?????

And LL, IKWTDS, TD, Czech, Tig, Empy.......

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.
So we had to pay for their help? Interesting. Not that I think it is necessarily wrong to pay for services rendered. It's just that I bet the citizens both US & Canadian didn't know & thought they were volunteers.
Did you pay us for rescuing your hostages?
Did you pay us for bringing your astronauts back to earth?
Did you pay us for the incredible generosity of the people of Gander?
We didn't just let your planes circle until they ran out of fuel and fall into the ocean.

WTF does it matter. The countries have protocols in place. Canada signed off on that. If they want our help, they have to ask for it. And pay for it..

weltschmerz · Guru

We didn't ask for help from the Kremlin. They were nice enough to offer.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
We didn't ask for help from the Kremlin. They were nice enough to offer.

You don't have a written protocol with them...

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

weltschmerz wrote:
We didn't ask for help from the Kremlin. They were nice enough to offer.

And Canada declined the offer so it sounds like they don't want any outside help.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.
So we had to pay for their help? Interesting. Not that I think it is necessarily wrong to pay for services rendered. It's just that I bet the citizens both US & Canadian didn't know & thought they were volunteers.
Did you pay us for rescuing your hostages?
Did you pay us for bringing your astronauts back to earth?
Did you pay us for the incredible generosity of the people of Gander?
We didn't just let your planes circle until they ran out of fuel and fall into the ocean.

The United States has given millions of dollars to Canada in foreign aid. I'm not sure why, exactly???? You are not exactly a third world country.

In THIS particular instance, however, there is a protocol and contract in place for how it is to be handled. You expect everyone to ignore it?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's not a name - it's a German word, basically meaning melancholy or world weariness.

It's her SCREEN NAME.

And this is the second time you've posted the definition. I am familiar with the word.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's weltsie just like flannie...lol
If I'm "weltsie", then you're "Tiny Cancer"

Her first and only post today...what an awesome contribution.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And this agreement was JUST updated and renewed -

CANADA/UNITED STATES RECIPROCAL FOREST FIRE FIGHTING ARRANGEMENT DATED: JANUARY 15, 2016 OPERATING PLAN FOR 2016

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's not a name - it's a German word, basically meaning melancholy or world weariness.
It's her SCREEN NAME.
And this is the second time you've posted the definition. I am familiar with the word.
flan

So what? It's a PITA to type, and screennames get shortened all the time. I best not see you type "TIG" again. You better type out Tignanello.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
And this agreement was JUST updated and renewed -

CANADA/UNITED STATES RECIPROCAL FOREST FIRE FIGHTING ARRANGEMENT DATED: JANUARY 15, 2016 OPERATING PLAN FOR 2016

But the conditions are the same?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's not a name - it's a German word, basically meaning melancholy or world weariness.
It's her SCREEN NAME.
And this is the second time you've posted the definition. I am familiar with the word.
flan
So what? It's a PITA to type, and screennames get shortened all the time. I best not see you type "TIG" again. You better type out Tignanello.

A nickname can actually be spelled correctly.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's not a name - it's a German word, basically meaning melancholy or world weariness.
It's her SCREEN NAME.
And this is the second time you've posted the definition. I am familiar with the word.
flan
So what? It's a PITA to type, and screennames get shortened all the time. I best not see you type "TIG" again. You better type out Tignanello.
A nickname can actually be spelled correctly.
flan

Since it's not a real name, there's not really a "proper" spelling of the nickname. Get over yourself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And this agreement was JUST updated and renewed -

CANADA/UNITED STATES RECIPROCAL FOREST FIRE FIGHTING ARRANGEMENT DATED: JANUARY 15, 2016 OPERATING PLAN FOR 2016
But the conditions are the same?
flan

CANADA/UNITED STATES RECIPROCAL FOREST FIRE FIGHTING ARRANGEMENT DATED: JANUARY 15, 2016 OPERATING PLAN FOR 2016

Go read it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There is also the NW Wildland Fire protection agreement.

affcompacts.org/northwest/

And here you go. Our firefighting treaty was established in 1982.

www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/policy/btb-compendium-of-us-canada-emergency-management-assistance-mechanisms.pdf

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Can anyone here spell her NAME?

flan
It's weltsie just like flannie...lol
If I'm "weltsie", then you're "Tiny Cancer"
Her first and only post today...what an awesome contribution.
flan

At least I'm not insulting her country and then asking for help. Of course you jumped in to correct someones spelling AGAIN. You certainly complain a lot about other people when you should be having a talk with yourself. There, do you like my second post better?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

LOOKY HERE!!!!

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there is no need for Canada to accept international assistance in fighting the fire because other Canadians provinces are helping enough. Russia, the US, Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority had all offered assistance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36249083

I believe us Americans are owed an apology.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
LOOKY HERE!!!!

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there is no need for Canada to accept international assistance in fighting the fire because other Canadians provinces are helping enough. Russia, the US, Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority had all offered assistance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36249083

I believe us Americans are owed an apology.

Don't hold your breath! I doubt she will even acknowledge it...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I'm sorry you just said that. Without a doubt, many US firefighters are on their way.
Really? I doubt it. They're coming from as far away as New Brunswick and Quebec.
Nothing and nobody from the US. If you've heard otherwise, let me know.
Ahh just read up on it. Apparently Alberta doesn't budget for Forrest fires so don't have the manpower. Tell me, what are you personally doing to fight the fire? I mean as a Canadian, I would think you would do what you could before you blame others.
And YOU could try having some consideration instead of hijacking the thread.
flan

I just saw this. Could you please explain to me how this is hijacking the thread?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Weltz is short for Weltschmerz.

I don't see the problem.

Of course Flan tried to correct my using a capital F instead of the Lowercase she uses.

Why, I don't know.

Don't think we will ever understand what's rattling around in that head of hers.

As for the wanting to know why no one is helping.

Weltz wants to constantly bash America but wants to demand help.

It seems your own country is shooting itself in the foot on this one.

So instead of screaming "why isn't America helping" go ask your leaders "why aren't they asking".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tignanello wrote:
itsnotaboutfirefighters . . . itsaboutothercountriesnotsendingaid . . . whencanadaalwayssendsaid . . .

That said, firefighters are hot.

They offered. And were refused.

Looks like you need to be whispering about that hot new Prime Minister of yours.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Just call her welt.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OTTAWA — Russia, the U.S., Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority have all offered help in fighting the northern Alberta wildfire, but Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there's no need for international assistance.

Last week Vladimir Puchkov, the Russian minister of emergency measures, offered to send heavy water bombers and specialized crews to battle the fire that's been raging out of control near Fort McMurray.

John Bab****, a spokesman for Global Affairs Canada, says there have been a series of other offers since the crisis emerged last week and they have been reviewed against requirements.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks during an event on AIDS and malaria prevention in Ottawa on Monday, May 9, 2016. (Photo: Adrian Wyld/CP)

Trudeau says Canada sincerely appreciates the international support, but it isn't necessary.

He says water bombers and firefighters from other provinces, including Ontario, B.C., Quebec and New Brunswick, are getting a handle on the situation.

Bab**** says accepting international disaster assistance would not set a precedent and has happened in the past, but he didn't provide examples.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
OTTAWA — Russia, the U.S., Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority have all offered help in fighting the northern Alberta wildfire, but Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there's no need for international assistance.
Last week Vladimir Puchkov, the Russian minister of emergency measures, offered to send heavy water bombers and specialized crews to battle the fire that's been raging out of control near Fort McMurray.
John Bab****, a spokesman for Global Affairs Canada, says there have been a series of other offers since the crisis emerged last week and they have been reviewed against requirements.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks during an event on AIDS and malaria prevention in Ottawa on Monday, May 9, 2016. (Photo: Adrian Wyld/CP)
Trudeau says Canada sincerely appreciates the international support, but it isn't necessary.
He says water bombers and firefighters from other provinces, including Ontario, B.C., Quebec and New Brunswick, are getting a handle on the situation.
Bab**** says accepting international disaster assistance would not set a precedent and has happened in the past, but he didn't provide examples.

Now she'll just have to find something else to kvetch about...

apple · Guru

Oh boy....

About that fire, I'm sure glad nobody has been hurt.
My heart goes out to all the people who have lost everything, I saw a photo of a singed dog sitting in front of a burnt out house. Poor thing.

From what I understand, only mother nature can put this fire out.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz is short for Weltschmerz.

I don't see the problem.

Of course Flan tried to correct my using a capital F instead of the Lowercase she uses.

Why, I don't know.

Don't think we will ever understand what's rattling around in that head of hers.

As for the wanting to know why no one is helping.

Weltz wants to constantly bash America but wants to demand help.

It seems your own country is shooting itself in the foot on this one.

So instead of screaming "why isn't America helping" go ask your leaders "why aren't they asking".

What are the first five letters of the word? W...e...l...

Why is Lowercase capitalized?

If a person CHOOSES their screen name, I try to spell it the way they CHOSE.

Because...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

So, you've never referred to Tiganello as Tig? Or Lawyer Lady as LL?

I call lie....

Ohfour · Hooker

Also, you need to start signing your posts flan327. Because anything other than your screen name is offensive...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz is short for Weltschmerz.

I don't see the problem.

Of course Flan tried to correct my using a capital F instead of the Lowercase she uses.

Why, I don't know.

Don't think we will ever understand what's rattling around in that head of hers.

As for the wanting to know why no one is helping.

Weltz wants to constantly bash America but wants to demand help.

It seems your own country is shooting itself in the foot on this one.

So instead of screaming "why isn't America helping" go ask your leaders "why aren't they asking".

What are the first five letters of the word? W...e...l...
Why is Lowercase capitalized?
If a person CHOOSES their screen name, I try to spell it the way they CHOSE.
Because...
flan

I guess I was taught to use capital letters when it is a person's name.

You want to belly ache about grammar but then get offended when it is used properly.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I KNOW Flan has used lily instead of lilyofcourse.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

weltschmerz wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I think I just figured out why it isn't being done. The agreement we have with Canada goes back to 1982 and was used when Canada sent people here to help with a wildfire. But under the agreement between our countries, it's like a contract, and the receiving country has to pay for the help. So, we paid Canada when they helped us. If they request our assistance under this agreement, they will have to pay for it, and this little area had NO money saved for such a contingency.
So we had to pay for their help? Interesting. Not that I think it is necessarily wrong to pay for services rendered. It's just that I bet the citizens both US & Canadian didn't know & thought they were volunteers.
Did you pay us for rescuing your hostages?
Did you pay us for bringing your astronauts back to earth?
Did you pay us for the incredible generosity of the people of Gander?
We didn't just let your planes circle until they ran out of fuel and fall into the ocean.

And did Canada pay the US for their NATO affiliation. Canada got a great deal on that one! And comparing this to the terrorist attack on this country is incredibly ignorant. YOUR COUNTRY'S loose security allowed those terrorists to enter our Country. NEXT!

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
LOOKY HERE!!!!

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there is no need for Canada to accept international assistance in fighting the fire because other Canadians provinces are helping enough. Russia, the US, Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority had all offered assistance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36249083

I believe us Americans are owed an apology.

But you see, I knew that. Was waiting for Weltzie to figure that out.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
LOOKY HERE!!!!

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there is no need for Canada to accept international assistance in fighting the fire because other Canadians provinces are helping enough. Russia, the US, Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority had all offered assistance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36249083

I believe us Americans are owed an apology.
But you see, I knew that. Was waiting for Weltzie to figure that out.

Spoiler

Well, the Prime Minister is definitely worth whispering about, although I'm not sure why he's not borrowing water bombers from around the world right now. Maybe it IS a money thing.

I know that British Columbia, for those of you who were wondering, is not sending firefighters because we have over 400 of our own wildfires burning right now. At least 10 fires in the Peace Region have been determined to be arson and some of our northern townships and First Nations communities have been evacuated. Our people are busy . . .

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

He is handsome!

weltschmerz · Guru

Despite all the blather about protocols, bilateral agreements and requests for assistance, the us finally offered to help.
Thank you.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
So, you've never referred to Tiganello as Tig? Or Lawyer Lady as LL?

I call lie....

Evidently, you don't know the difference between an abbreviation and a diminutive.

You should have stayed in school.