TOTALLY GEEKED!

Transgenders are uncomfortable in their biological bathroom so they should use whatevever bathroom they want!
Your child's comfort doesn't matter! Tough schit. Deal with it!

FNW wrote:

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Migrant farm workers are brought in during peak season to work....LEGALLY. At least they are in this part of the country. Shipping illegals back would have no impact on picking jobs.

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 This!

If I had no other work option I would work in a slaughter house to feed my family and keep a roof over our heads rather than go on welfare.

huskerbb wrote:

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Also, are you for illegal immigration or against it? If you are for it--fine, but then you can't pretend to be in favor of tighter welfare laws if you don't mind those collecting it being able to sit on their asses when jobs are available.

If you are against it, then who, pray tell, would do all these jobs if the immigrants don't?

You make no sense.

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 Of course I'm against illegal immigration.  That doesn't mean I have to think a slaughterhouse is run correctly.  And illegal immigrants wouldn't be running here if they couldn't get jobs - the whole system needs a change.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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Migrant farm workers are brought in during peak season to work....LEGALLY. At least they are in this part of the country. Shipping illegals back would have no impact on picking jobs.

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 This!

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 Where are all the illegals working?

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 Mostly in construction and landscaping.  And their GF's bring in welfare benefits.

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 Or they aren't working. They are here illegally. I'd be willing to bet they continue the illegal activities instead of working.

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 Yeah, they are working here illegally in construction or landscaping and their GF;s are getting welfare and housing.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Also, are you for illegal immigration or against it? If you are for it--fine, but then you can't pretend to be in favor of tighter welfare laws if you don't mind those collecting it being able to sit on their asses when jobs are available.

If you are against it, then who, pray tell, would do all these jobs if the immigrants don't?

You make no sense.

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 Of course I'm against illegal immigration.  That doesn't mean I have to think a slaughterhouse is run correctly.  And illegal immigrants wouldn't be running here if they couldn't get jobs - the whole system needs a change.

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 You have ZERO clue how slaughterhouses are even run.  

You say you don't wan the illegal immigrants to have jobs--but you don't want Americans doing those same jobs. Idiotic.  Who is going to do them?  The ONLY reason you think people shouldn't work at slaughterhouses is the "ick" factor.  

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Also, are you for illegal immigration or against it? If you are for it--fine, but then you can't pretend to be in favor of tighter welfare laws if you don't mind those collecting it being able to sit on their asses when jobs are available.

If you are against it, then who, pray tell, would do all these jobs if the immigrants don't?

You make no sense.

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 Of course I'm against illegal immigration.  That doesn't mean I have to think a slaughterhouse is run correctly.  And illegal immigrants wouldn't be running here if they couldn't get jobs - the whole system needs a change.

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 You have ZERO clue how slaughterhouses are even run.  

You say you don't wan the illegal immigrants to have jobs--but you don't want Americans doing those same jobs. Idiotic.  Who is going to do them?  The ONLY reason you think people shouldn't work at slaughterhouses is the "ick" factor.  

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 What I said is that there are some valid reasons Americans may not be willing to do some jobs, and the root of that needs to be addressed. 

You have a very difficult time with multi layer deep issues, don't you?

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

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 I don't know a single person personally or even from rumor that doesn’t pay well over the minimum wage, plus provide housing and all utilities.  

I don't know what you mean by meet standard labor practice.

 

But I will tell you that we have attempted to hire an American for one VERY simple position, and we have gone through five people already and no one wants to stick with it. 

Cows get milked early in the morning. 

Cows are dirty and get your clothes dirty. 

Pushing shovels and carrying the milking units is physically demanding. 

 

People claim they want to work, right up until you ask them to.

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 What are the other job duties, after the cows are milked?

Oddly, we have better luck with women.
All of the Americans that end up staying long term are women. I don't know why that is.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

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 I don't know a single person personally or even from rumor that doesn’t pay well over the minimum wage, plus provide housing and all utilities.  

I don't know what you mean by meet standard labor practice.

 

But I will tell you that we have attempted to hire an American for one VERY simple position, and we have gone through five people already and no one wants to stick with it. 

Cows get milked early in the morning. 

Cows are dirty and get your clothes dirty. 

Pushing shovels and carrying the milking units is physically demanding. 

 

People claim they want to work, right up until you ask them to.

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 What are the other job duties, after the cows are milked?

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 Kick the cows out of the barn, and get the barn ready for the next milking. 

I literally started doing this stuff when I was nine. If I could scrape down manure and toss sawdust in a stall and carry the units as a nine year old girl, there is NO GOOD REASON these people can't hack it. The job has not changed a bit. 

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 So, is it a full time job for them, or are they just expected to come in for a couple of hours?  

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

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 I don't know a single person personally or even from rumor that doesn’t pay well over the minimum wage, plus provide housing and all utilities.  

I don't know what you mean by meet standard labor practice.

 

But I will tell you that we have attempted to hire an American for one VERY simple position, and we have gone through five people already and no one wants to stick with it. 

Cows get milked early in the morning. 

Cows are dirty and get your clothes dirty. 

Pushing shovels and carrying the milking units is physically demanding. 

 

People claim they want to work, right up until you ask them to.

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 What are the other job duties, after the cows are milked?

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 Kick the cows out of the barn, and get the barn ready for the next milking. 

I literally started doing this stuff when I was nine. If I could scrape down manure and toss sawdust in a stall and carry the units as a nine year old girl, there is NO GOOD REASON these people can't hack it. The job has not changed a bit. 

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 So, is it a full time job for them, or are they just expected to come in for a couple of hours?  

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 At a large dairy?  They milk 24 hours a day.  

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And Americans don't want to do the jobs b/c the companies aren't willing to pay a legal wage, or meet standard labor practices. We shouldn't be catering to that - they need to do better.

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 I don't know a single person personally or even from rumor that doesn’t pay well over the minimum wage, plus provide housing and all utilities.  

I don't know what you mean by meet standard labor practice.

 

But I will tell you that we have attempted to hire an American for one VERY simple position, and we have gone through five people already and no one wants to stick with it. 

Cows get milked early in the morning. 

Cows are dirty and get your clothes dirty. 

Pushing shovels and carrying the milking units is physically demanding. 

 

People claim they want to work, right up until you ask them to.

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 Exactly.  These are good jobs as far as pay and, often, benefits go--but they are hard work that is sometimes unpleasant, which Americans don't want to do, by and large.

Hog and chicken confinements are another good example. Pay usually ranges between $12 and $16 an hour depending on the area, with health insurance, paid sick time and vacations, retirement, etc...

If it's hard, taxing work - part of the problem is not wanting to pay them enough. Illegals will work cheap.

Americans can sit and collect welfare benefits higher than a $10 an hour job.

My brothers pay $18/hour. They pay his health insurance and gas for his pickup.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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If it's hard, taxing work - part of the problem is not wanting to pay them enough. Illegals will work cheap.

Americans can sit and collect welfare benefits higher than a $10 an hour job.

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 These aren't $10 an hour jobs.  Most are more than $15 if youve been there a few years.

 

the problem isn't the pay--the problem is that welfare pays too much.

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 It can actually be both.  Just b/c your brother pays $18 an hour doesn't mean everyone does.

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 I gave example after example of jobs often held by immigrants--illegal or otherwise--that Americans won't do that pay WELL above what you seem to think they do.  

The list goes on and on--meat packing, agriculture, construction, mining, oil, wind farms--ALL pay well more than $10 an hour, most at least $15.

You don't have any clue what most jobs are paying.

 

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People don't value good, honest work.

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 True. This generation of the entitled is sad.

I don't mind helping people who are trying to help themselves, but I resent people who do nothing but complain and put their hands out for money. (my money) that I worked for!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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If it's hard, taxing work - part of the problem is not wanting to pay them enough. Illegals will work cheap.

Americans can sit and collect welfare benefits higher than a $10 an hour job.

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 These aren't $10 an hour jobs.  Most are more than $15 if youve been there a few years.

 

the problem isn't the pay--the problem is that welfare pays too much.

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 It can actually be both.  Just b/c your brother pays $18 an hour doesn't mean everyone does.

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 I gave example after example of jobs often held by immigrants--illegal or otherwise--that Americans won't do that pay WELL above what you seem to think they do.  

The list goes on and on--meat packing, agriculture, construction, mining, oil, wind farms--ALL pay well more than $10 an hour, most at least $15.

You don't have any clue what most jobs are paying.

 

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 You know this little thing we have called the internet?

 

Tyson foods - packers and general laborers make less than $11/hour, most other employees less than $15 with an average range of $10-$13.  Only those with special skills, like mechanics, make more.

The starting salary of butchers and meatcutters in Ohio is between $10-$11 per hour. 

 

And finally - the average wage for slaughterhouse workers across the country is $10-$13 per hour with very few making $15 per hour.  

Here's the link:  http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes513023.htm

 

 

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 The hog plant in Madison,NE starts out at $12/hour with a guaranteed raise after 6 months and 50 cent shift differential with full benefits.

the beef plant in schuyler--one of the largest in the U.S. start their workers at $12.50.

inwouodnt believe everything you read on the Internet.

huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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If it's hard, taxing work - part of the problem is not wanting to pay them enough. Illegals will work cheap.

Americans can sit and collect welfare benefits higher than a $10 an hour job.

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 These aren't $10 an hour jobs.  Most are more than $15 if youve been there a few years.

 

the problem isn't the pay--the problem is that welfare pays too much.

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 It can actually be both.  Just b/c your brother pays $18 an hour doesn't mean everyone does.

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 I gave example after example of jobs often held by immigrants--illegal or otherwise--that Americans won't do that pay WELL above what you seem to think they do.  

The list goes on and on--meat packing, agriculture, construction, mining, oil, wind farms--ALL pay well more than $10 an hour, most at least $15.

You don't have any clue what most jobs are paying.

 

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 You know this little thing we have called the internet?

 

Tyson foods - packers and general laborers make less than $11/hour, most other employees less than $15 with an average range of $10-$13.  Only those with special skills, like mechanics, make more.

The starting salary of butchers and meatcutters in Ohio is between $10-$11 per hour. 

 

And finally - the average wage for slaughterhouse workers across the country is $10-$13 per hour with very few making $15 per hour.  

Here's the link:  http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes513023.htm

 

 

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 The hog plant in Madison,NE starts out at $12/hour with a guaranteed raise after 6 months and 50 cent shift differential with full benefits.

the beef plant in schuyler--one of the largest in the U.S. start their workers at $12.50.

inwouodnt believe everything you read on the Internet.

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 I'm not sure how $12/hour, or even $12.50 equates to MOST MAKING AT LEAST $15.

 

 

And my numbers come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is going to be more credible than some guy posting from his computer in Nebraska.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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And my numbers come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is going to be more credible than some guy posting from his computer in Nebraska.

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 Not if they are not accurate.

huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And my numbers come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is going to be more credible than some guy posting from his computer in Nebraska.

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 Not if they are not accurate.

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 Please provide a basis for stating that the Bureau of Labor Statistics does not know what people make.  

The BLS reported in 2015 that 90% of the meat packers made $17.37, with only 20% earning $9.19, with a mean of $12.70. So basically, a few, probably those entering this field start low and end up earning close to $18.00 per hour, as husker has indicated. The average, or "mean" rate, is typically lower than actual salaries because it does not take into consideration experience and time on the job. Also, what might be considered a menial salary in NYC would be considered a very good salary in more remote areas where cost of living is much lower.

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Plus, let's say it's $13 or even 12. That's 150% of minimum wage with full benefits. That's a good job and people should take it rather than sit in their ass on welfare. It's good, honest work.

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 Actually, that's not true in several states, now.  And people doing hard labor should be making more than people saying "do you want fries with that?"

The whole point, Husker, is if they don't pay better, they are not going to have people willing to do those jobs when people can make more elsewhere or on Welfare.