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apple · Guru

RE: Acceptance vs Tolerance

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm tired of people lecturing on tolerance and acceptance for everything except religion.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I worked in a seafood restaurant.

Had someone come in with a severe shellfish allergy.

They got pissed when I couldn't garrentee there would be no cross contamination.

The guy started getting itchy just standing at the counter.

His wife was trying to blame me.

If you have a deadly allergy, don't go into a place that makes its living on it. Idiot.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm tired of people lecturing on tolerance and acceptance for everything except religion.

I'm tired of people using religion as a tool to discriminate.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Take a nap

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I worked in a seafood restaurant.

Had someone come in with a severe shellfish allergy.

They got pissed when I couldn't garrentee there would be no cross contamination.

The guy started getting itchy just standing at the counter.

His wife was trying to blame me.

If you have a deadly allergy, don't go into a place that makes its living on it. Idiot.

Most people with serious allergies are quite careful. I mean it is life threatening!

I can't imagine a person with a serious seafood allergy going to a seafood restaurant. Thats nutty.

apple · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Take a nap

LL needs one.... biggrin

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We all do!

FNW · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I worked in a seafood restaurant.

Had someone come in with a severe shellfish allergy.

They got pissed when I couldn't garrentee there would be no cross contamination.

The guy started getting itchy just standing at the counter.

His wife was trying to blame me.

If you have a deadly allergy, don't go into a place that makes its living on it. Idiot.

Yep, it happens. People looking for a fight.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Sooo..... you want to deprive the business owner of a basic constitutional RIGHT in order to indulge a PRIVILEGE.

Awesome!
I want a business owner to run his or her business. Period.
flan
And if they run it out of business because of there policies and practices, that is on them.
Should I go to a Muslim owned store and demand a pound of bacon?
That's not remotely the same.
flan
Why?
Isn't handling bacon against their religion?
How is that different from forcing a Christian to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

The difference being it is not the item that is for sale that is the issue.
The issue is selling the item to some, and not others. Discrimination.
No. The issue is respecting another's religious beliefs.
No, the issue is being in the business of selling an item and then not selling it to certain people. This my dear, is the definition of discrimination.

People do that all the time. I sell legal services. I refuse to take cases I don't believe are valid - I'm actually ethically bound to do so. I can refuse to take clients I think will be difficult, or won't be able to pay my bill.

Businesses have the right to refuse service all the time.

Airlines can refuse to fly you if you don't fit in the seat.

Taxis can refuse to transport you somewhere they don't want to go.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm tired of people lecturing on tolerance and acceptance for everything except religion.
I'm tired of people using religion as a tool to discriminate.

Just because society suddenly decides that something is the cause of the moment doesn't mean religion has to change.

Homosexuality has ALWAYS been a sin in Christianity.

Christianity didn't change its policies - you just suddenly care. Wasn't that the argument you used on the Target thread?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?

People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.

You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.

And people don't have to get married.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.

They are a legal organization. You think they should be discriminated against because of their beliefs?

apple · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.

I believe that discrimination is wrong, therefore yes a black baker should take the higher moral ground, and bake the cake. It is what they are in business to do, bake cakes.

Commerce has no colour.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Told ya. Until the shoe is actually on the other foot.

chef · Guru

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.
I believe that discrimination is wrong, therefore yes a black baker should take the higher moral ground, and bake the cake. It is what they are in business to do, bake cakes.
Commerce has no colour.

I do not agree that people should be forced to do something against their moral conscience.

Doctors shouldn't have to perform abortions or circumcisions. People should not have to cater a KKK event or a religious event.

A Jewish deli shouldn't be forced to cater an employee event at a non-kosher slaughterhouse.

There are all sorts of things people should be able to refuse to do. Being in business doesn't make you a slave to the public.

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.

Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.

Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

Tinydancer · Guru

Well in America it is a right. Do what you want in Canada but the First Amendment is guaranteed here so unless they repeal the law you can live with my right to refuse.

apple · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Well in America it is a right. Do what you want in Canada but the First Amendment is guaranteed here so unless they repeal the law you can live with my right to refuse.

The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law.

The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits discrimination by private businesses based on disability.

The federal law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, so gays are not a protected group under the federal law. However, about 20 states, including New York and California, have enacted laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. In California, you also can’t discriminate based on someone’s unconventional dress. In some states, like Arizona, there’s no state law banning discrimination against gays, but there are local laws in some cities that prohibit sexual orientation discrimination.

So in case you don't understand that...

NO.

The 1964 Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the legal right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

apple · Guru

Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Well in America it is a right. Do what you want in Canada but the First Amendment is guaranteed here so unless they repeal the law you can live with my right to refuse.
The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law.
The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits discrimination by private businesses based on disability.
The federal law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, so gays are not a protected group under the federal law. However, about 20 states, including New York and California, have enacted laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. In California, you also can’t discriminate based on someone’s unconventional dress. In some states, like Arizona, there’s no state law banning discrimination against gays, but there are local laws in some cities that prohibit sexual orientation discrimination.

So in case you don't understand that...
NO.
The 1964 Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the legal right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

Yeah, this was challenged...and religion won. The Hobby Lobby case. There will be more and more like that. Freedom of Religion is THE cornerstone of our country.

apple · Guru

In a decision from May that was only made public this week, Administrative Law Judge William J. Borah ruled that Hobby Lobby violated the Illinois Human Rights Act by refusing to allow a transgender female employee to use the women’s restroom at work.

So, no. Religious freedom does not include freedom to discriminate.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
In a decision from May that was only made public this week, Administrative Law Judge William J. Borah ruled that Hobby Lobby violated the Illinois Human Rights Act by refusing to allow a transgender female employee to use the women’s restroom at work.

So, no. Religious freedom does not include freedom to discriminate.

It's all over the place...

The SCOTUS ruled that businesses owned my religions people are considered religious businesses, even if they really aren't.

The case you cited will be overturned.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.

You are lacking common sense. You don't get to pick and choose that religious rights don't count. They have been protected since the inception of this country. You don't get to suddenly decide they are not valid because you don't agree.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.

Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."

It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.
And people don't have to get married.

But YOU had that privilege.

Why did you get married?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan

And that has WHAT to do with religion? confuse

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm tired of people lecturing on tolerance and acceptance for everything except religion.
I'm tired of people using religion as a tool to discriminate.
Just because society suddenly decides that something is the cause of the moment doesn't mean religion has to change.
Homosexuality has ALWAYS been a sin in Christianity.
Christianity didn't change its policies - you just suddenly care. Wasn't that the argument you used on the Target thread?

I see this was conveniently ignored.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.
You are lacking common sense. You don't get to pick and choose that religious rights don't count. They have been protected since the inception of this country. You don't get to suddenly decide they are not valid because you don't agree.

You are not getting what I am saying.

YOURS is NOT the only religion. If you think it is OKAY for YOUR religion to discriminate then be prepared for the many other religions to discriminate against you.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
How about this kind of tolerance? Don't make people bake cakes for weddings that are against their religious beliefs.
So tolerance is a one way street?

It is not about the cake, the issue is the writing on the cake apparently.
If you are in the business of baking cakes and selling them, just do that.

No matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people.

Perhaps the baker should move to another State, where his discrimination is allowed.
Hey Apple...
So you think a black baker should bake a cake for a KKK rally?
People aren't born being bigots in the KKK.
You shouldn't deny services to blacks. gays, women, little people, etc. They had no choice in the matter.
And people don't have to get married.
But YOU had that privilege.
Why did you get married?
flan

Lots of reasons. But I didn't force anyone to participate. And we had tons of religious issues with our wedding.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan
And that has WHAT to do with religion?

Because SOME people still think homosexuality is a CHOICE.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.
You are lacking common sense. You don't get to pick and choose that religious rights don't count. They have been protected since the inception of this country. You don't get to suddenly decide they are not valid because you don't agree.
You are not getting what I am saying.
YOURS is NOT the only religion. If you think it is OKAY for YOUR religion to discriminate then be prepared for the many other religions to discriminate against you.

And I do not hav a problem with that. In the least....

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan
And that has WHAT to do with religion?
Because SOME people still think homosexuality is a CHOICE.
flan

Choice or not, it's a sin. It is and always has been.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan
And that has WHAT to do with religion?
Because SOME people still think homosexuality is a CHOICE.
flan

Du jour. And, it is a cause du jour. We didn't always have certain groups wanting to be catered to. We, unfortunately, live in an era in which people think hurt feelings are cause for a lawsuit. Brain science has nothing to do with this.

Oh, and I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Never have. However, it most certainly is a choice when it comes to the actual act of sex. One can be homosexual and still be right with God if they forgo their sinful desires. It's the same for heterosexuals. Homosexual sex is a sin whether the participants are homosexual or heterosexual. One can't choose who one is attracted to but they certainly can choose what they do about that attraction.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.
You are lacking common sense. You don't get to pick and choose that religious rights don't count. They have been protected since the inception of this country. You don't get to suddenly decide they are not valid because you don't agree.
You are not getting what I am saying.
YOURS is NOT the only religion. If you think it is OKAY for YOUR religion to discriminate then be prepared for the many other religions to discriminate against you.

I have no desire to make people do something or perform a service for me that goes against their religious conscience. No matter what religion.

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Apply some common sense.

If there is a legitimate business reason to deny service, like general disruption or drunkenness, for example, then there is legal precedence for the business to refuse service.
You are lacking common sense. You don't get to pick and choose that religious rights don't count. They have been protected since the inception of this country. You don't get to suddenly decide they are not valid because you don't agree.
You are not getting what I am saying.
YOURS is NOT the only religion. If you think it is OKAY for YOUR religion to discriminate then be prepared for the many other religions to discriminate against you.
I have no desire to make people do something or perform a service for me that goes against their religious conscience. No matter what religion.

The bolded. Me too.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Part of the NC bill is to protect doctors.

Did you know that?

If you go to a therapist for counseling about homosexual thoughts, and that doctor believed it was a choice instead of born that way, would you want to force them to see you, or refer you to someone better suited for your needs?

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.

So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.

It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Absolutely. I would turn right around.

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.

lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...

Here's the kicker...I wouldn't even go in that store. So they wouldn't HAVE to refuse me service...

weltschmerz · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...

Lol! Exactly!

If I refused to vaccinate fundamental Christians, or test them for TB or remove stitches, there would be hell to pay.

"Sorry, I don't serve Christians. Get your God to protect you against the flu, tetanus, rubella, and hepatitis.``

The angry howling would be heard globally.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...
Lol! Exactly!
If I refused to vaccinate fundamental Christians, or test them for TB or remove stitches, there would be hell to pay.
"Sorry, I don't serve Christians. Get your God to protect you against the flu, tetanus, rubella, and hepatitis.``
The angry howling would be heard globally.

No...we would go somewhere else. You aren't the only nurse in the world...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

It doesn't bother me.

Of course I grew up understanding that everyone didn't always get to go and do everything.

I've said it before, my grandfather owned a barbershop. When he had a customer, I wasn't allowed in there or had to go into the back.

That's just the way it was.

No. It wasn't to discriminate, more to protect me.

Ohfour · Hooker

I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.

apple · Guru

ha ha ha... hilarious!!!

"Oh I would not shop there"." Oh I would go somewhere else". "Oh I'd get another nurse".

(((Insert eye roll.)))