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chef · Guru

RE: Acceptance vs Tolerance

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
ha ha ha... hilarious!!!

"Oh I would not shop there"." Oh I would go somewhere else". "Oh I'd get another nurse".

(((Insert eye roll.)))

Laugh all you want. It's what most of us would do. We don't force other people to go against their religion.

And it's funny to me, that on of the largest golf courses in Canada (and arguably the nicest golf course period) is a men's only club. No women allowed.

Ohfour · Hooker

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...
So you ask me a question just to mock me? Classy.
And, btw, demure is not an adjective that describes me.

HAHAHAHA! Right?

chef · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.

Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...
So you ask me a question just to mock me? Classy.
And, btw, demure is not an adjective that describes me.

I wasn't mocking, I was stating what I believe to be a fact in a sarcastic way I admit, and by admitting you are not demure makes my point. Thank you.

apple · Guru

chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*

The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.

By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO

My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

weltschmerz · Guru

apple wrote:
ha ha ha... hilarious!!!

"Oh I would not shop there"." Oh I would go somewhere else". "Oh I'd get another nurse".

(((Insert eye roll.)))

I know, eh?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I would only feel discriminated against if they were picking and choosing which women to serve. If a business says they are a men's only business up front - I've got no issue with that.

Let me ask you this -

Should a female masseuse be required to give a man a massage?

Should a woman that provides a service to women out of her home such as haircutting be required to welcome a man into her home when she is alone or should she be allowed to decline to serve him?

Should a male doctor, alone in his office, be required to treat a woman on a non-emergency issue?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*
The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.
By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO
My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

I really, really would not give a flying fvck. They dont want my money, no worries...i will spend it somewhere else....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So, seriously, though - the left position is the one that has no acceptance and tolerance.

The religious right does not want to discriminate against gays in your everyday places - not service, not employment, not anything. The ONLY thing they want is to not have to serve or participate in gay weddings. ONE thing. And the left can't handle it. There is no tolerance and acceptance, and there is no ability to compromise.

They have had the opportunity to have their rights codified, and shot them down because of that one exception. That shows that brow-beating religious beliefs is more important than actually gaining rights.

Here's the problem though - you can't force anyone to agree that same sex marriage is good and right. And that's what they really want.

apple · Guru

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Privilege vs Right.

It gets confused.

weltschmerz · Guru

The religious right doesn't want to persecute gays. It just wants to see them dead.

www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.

What an asinine statement...I dont have to do business with people I dont want to. I refused to see a doctor that was Muslim. In America, we have that right.

And Canada isnt the bastion you like to believe it is...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.

Then answer the questions I posed above.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.
Then answer the questions I posed above.

I'll bet 100 ebay dollars she won't. Liberals are known for ignoring the issues....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

BTW - If only Muslim cashiers are working - you can't buy bacon or alcohol at Target.

If you shop at Target you might be held up in line because Muslims refuse to scan items that contain pork! Some may eve refuse to sell alcohol.:

So Target lets their Muslim cashiers refuse to sell bacon.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 11th of May 2016 08:44:23 PM

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
BTW - If only Muslim cashiers are working - you can't buy bacon or alcohol at Target.

So Target lets their Muslim cashiers refuse to sell bacon.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 11th of May 2016 08:44:23 PM

What????????? confuse

If a store sells bacon or alcohol, shouldn't a Muslim choose a different store, as a place to work?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
The religious right doesn't want to persecute gays. It just wants to see them dead.

www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

You are ridiculous.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Baking a cake is not 'tolerance". I don't go over and bake a cake for a neighbor that I 'tolerate'. If I am just tolerating, i ignore them and go about my business and vice versa. I am not at their home delivering them a cake. Now, we can argue about offering niceties to others but that isn't what we are talking about.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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I was referring to a public bakery baking the cake for a member of the public that wishes to buy it. But I think you knew that and just wanted to muddy the waters a little bit.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And if they run it out of business because of there policies and practices, that is on them.

Should I go to a Muslim owned store and demand a pound of bacon for a church pot luck? And I'm gonna go in wearing as little as possible, while menstruating, and be as bossy as possible.

Should they be forced to sell it to me?
- lilyofcourse

________________________________

Does the Muslim owned store carry bacon for sale to the public? If the answer is "no" (which it is), your example doesn't apply, because a bakery that sells wedding cakes, carries wedding cakes.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I will bring this up again...because no one seems to be able to answer.

Should a black owned restaurant be forced to cater a KKK rally?
- Ohfour

_____________________________

If they carry, and offer for sale to anyone else, the products the KKK rally organizers wish to purchase, yes. If they don't, then no.

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Freedom to discriminate based on your religion should most certainly not be a right.
Imagine the many religions out there and just how they could discriminate against you if that was the case.

The First Amendment doesn't guarantee freedom to discriminate based on religion. It guarantees freedom of religion. And yes, it should be a right to practice one's religion in accordance with the tenets of that religion.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind if someone discriminated against me based on their religion. Unlike some here, I respect a person's religious beliefs.
So if you wonder into a shop that does not serve women because of their religion, thats okay with you?

Yep, sure is.
It doesn't even have to be a religious reason. If they don't want my money for any reason, I don't want them to have it. There are plenty other places to shop.
lolol... I can see it now. A good Christian woman is refused service in a store owned by Muslims, and she demurely walks away and does't complain at all.

snicker...
So you ask me a question just to mock me? Classy.
And, btw, demure is not an adjective that describes me.
I wasn't mocking, I was stating what I believe to be a fact in a sarcastic way I admit, and by admitting you are not demure makes my point. Thank you.

LOL! Not being demure has nothing to do with not complaining. Nor does not complaining require being demure.

Complaining about being refused service is childish. I have no reason to complain about it. In fact, I would find myself thankful they saved me the time and money I would've spent there.

chef · Guru

apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*
The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.
By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO
My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

I'm not lacking in integrity. I speak the truth as it pertains to my feelings, thoughts, and how I conduct myself. Whether you believe it or not is on you. Frankly, it speaks volumes about your integrity that you presume to know Oh4 or myself better than we know ourselves.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.
Then answer the questions I posed above.
I'll bet 100 ebay dollars she won't. Liberals are known for ignoring the issues....

Glad I didn't take that bet.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*
The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.
By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO
My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

I'm not lacking in integrity. I speak the truth as it pertains to my feelings, thoughts, and how I conduct myself. Whether you believe it or not is on you. Frankly, it speaks volumes about your integrity that you presume to know Oh4 or myself better than we know ourselves.

That's quite the insult, though, isn't it?

Tinydancer · Guru

Maybe chef should whine and cry name calling. Funny that the people who are actually insulting others are the ones playing victim.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
The religious right doesn't want to persecute gays. It just wants to see them dead.

www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates
You are ridiculous.

Deflect, deflect, deflect...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*
The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.
By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO
My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

I'm not lacking in integrity. I speak the truth as it pertains to my feelings, thoughts, and how I conduct myself. Whether you believe it or not is on you. Frankly, it speaks volumes about your integrity that you presume to know Oh4 or myself better than we know ourselves.
That's quite the insult, though, isn't it?

Nope, she was stating her opinion.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan
And that has WHAT to do with religion?
Because SOME people still think homosexuality is a CHOICE.
flan
Du jour. And, it is a cause du jour. We didn't always have certain groups wanting to be catered to. We, unfortunately, live in an era in which people think hurt feelings are cause for a lawsuit. Brain science has nothing to do with this.
Oh, and I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Never have. However, it most certainly is a choice when it comes to the actual act of sex. One can be homosexual and still be right with God if they forgo their sinful desires. It's the same for heterosexuals. Homosexual sex is a sin whether the participants are homosexual or heterosexual. One can't choose who one is attracted to but they certainly can choose what they do about that attraction.

I checked the spelling before I posted, but feel free to have the last word.

Brain science absolutely matters, but I won't change your mind.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Freedom of religion is guaranteed by our First Amendment. The cause du jour can take a hike.
Well, it's not JUST a "cause de jour."
It's not going anywhere. Humans understand so much more about how the brain operates than they did 2000+ years ago.
flan
And that has WHAT to do with religion?
Because SOME people still think homosexuality is a CHOICE.
flan
Du jour. And, it is a cause du jour. We didn't always have certain groups wanting to be catered to. We, unfortunately, live in an era in which people think hurt feelings are cause for a lawsuit. Brain science has nothing to do with this.
Oh, and I don't think homosexuality is a choice. Never have. However, it most certainly is a choice when it comes to the actual act of sex. One can be homosexual and still be right with God if they forgo their sinful desires. It's the same for heterosexuals. Homosexual sex is a sin whether the participants are homosexual or heterosexual. One can't choose who one is attracted to but they certainly can choose what they do about that attraction.
I checked the spelling before I posted, but feel free to have the last word.
Brain science absolutely matters, but I won't change your mind.
flan

So you intentionally spelled it wrong?

Yes, people are homosexual. That doesn't mean they have to engage in sex. Just like heterosexual unmarried people don't have to engage in sex. It's a choice. Always.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I minored in French in college, but I still checked.

"Soup de jour" does come up both ways.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Were we talking about soup?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Were we talking about soup?

It's a common phrase that uses the words in question.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Soooo, I put soup de jour in the search engine. Know what came up?

Showing results for soup du jour
Search instead for soup de jour

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Soupe du jour (note the E on the end of soupe) means “soup of the day.” If you're going to use French to be pretentious on a menu, it's important to learn the meaning of the words you're using. Often what is offered is potage, anyway.

soup du jour of the day

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Definition of soup du jour. : a soup offered by a restaurant on a particular day.

What does "du jour" mean? | Ask The Editor | Learner's Dictionary

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It comes from French, in which du jour means literally “of the day.” In English, it can mean either an item served in a restaurant on a particular day, as in example 1 above, or something that is happening or popular at the current time (this month, this year, etc.), as in examples 2 and 3.

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soup du jour of the day

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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Oh, my GOSH!!!

It's a miracle.

Can I sue my French professors?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Well if you're going to correct everyone else's spelling you can only expect the same thing flannie.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

When I clicked on that little "Search instead for soup de jour", then it asks me if I wanted "soup du jour".

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
When I clicked on that little "Search instead for soup de jour", then it asks me if I wanted "soup du jour".

I understand how a search engine works, tyvm.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
apple wrote:
chef wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just don't get WHY someone would want to do business with someone that doesn't want to service them. If you don't want my money, fine, there are a million other places I can go.
Me either. Seems stupid to force someone to take your money. But, what do I know? *shrug*
The point is if a Christian female walked into a shop to purchase an item seen in the window lets say...and she was told "we do not serve women", you would NOT be okay with that.
By saying you would be "okay with that", you are lacking in integrity to the degree that you are not being truthful. IMO
My point is that you can't have it both ways. If you say a Christian man shouldn't be forced to sell a cake to someone because of his religion, you open the door for ALL religions to discriminate, eventually against you.

I'm not lacking in integrity. I speak the truth as it pertains to my feelings, thoughts, and how I conduct myself. Whether you believe it or not is on you. Frankly, it speaks volumes about your integrity that you presume to know Oh4 or myself better than we know ourselves.
That's quite the insult, though, isn't it?
Nope, she was stating her opinion.
flan

I was stating an opinion when I said you were a B***h....just sayin...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour........

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Fine, say it again.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Flan flat out called me a b,itch on the old board so I don't know what her problem is.

Just sayin.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And I know the old board is not this board and I hold no one but Flan responsible for her name calling and have no expectations.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan thinks she allowed to insult people but if you hurt her little feelings she'll run crying to the Mods or have her friends do it for her. Rules don't apply to her because she thinks she does nothing wrong ever.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.
Then answer the questions I posed above.
I'll bet 100 ebay dollars she won't. Liberals are known for ignoring the issues....
Glad I didn't take that bet.

Oh cripes, I didn't see the question. I am not here every moment. Nice that I gave someone an opportunity to call me a "liberal"... jeeze.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I'm tired of people lecturing on tolerance and acceptance for everything except religion.
I'm tired of people using religion as a tool to discriminate.
Just because society suddenly decides that something is the cause of the moment doesn't mean religion has to change.
Homosexuality has ALWAYS been a sin in Christianity.
Christianity didn't change its policies - you just suddenly care. Wasn't that the argument you used on the Target thread?

Is this the question the liberal didn't answer?

I could care less how discrimination is justified, its still discrimination.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:

A little bit of discrimination, is too much.

Sorry but its true.
Then answer the questions I posed above.
I'll bet 100 ebay dollars she won't. Liberals are known for ignoring the issues....

You throw the word Liberal around like it is an insult. Sorry, it is not.

And for the record, the political parties in the USA do not really align completely with the political parties in the Canada.

Also, I think that generalizing is never a wise thing to do.