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Sex abuse victim in her 20s allowed to choose euthanasia in Holland after doctors decided her post-traumatic stress and other conditions were incurable

  • Woman suffered from mental disorders after she was abused as a child
  • Condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations
  • Dutch woman, in her 20s, showed improvements after 'intensive therapy'
  • She was given lethal injection after doctors said treatment was hopeless

By STEVE DOUGHTY, SOCIAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 17:11 EST, 10 May 2016 | UPDATED: 19:17 EST, 10 May 2016

 

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A former victim of child sex abuse has ended her life under Dutch euthanasia laws. Stock image
 
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A former victim of child sex abuse has ended her life under Dutch euthanasia laws. Stock image

A former victim of child sex abuse has ended her life under Dutch euthanasia laws because she could not live with her mental suffering.

The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

It went ahead despite improvements in the woman's psychological condition after 'intensive therapy' two years ago, and even though doctors in the Netherlands accept that a demand for death from a psychiatric patient may be no more than a cry for help.

The woman, who has not been named, began to suffer from mental disorders 15 years ago following sexual abuse, according to the papers released by the Dutch Euthanasia Commission. The timescale means she was abused between the ages of five and 15.

News of her death angered anti-euthanasia MPs and disability campaigners in Britain. One Labour MP said it meant sex abuse victims were now being punished with death.

It comes at a time of continued controversy over assisted dying in Britain. A steady flow of people from this country travel to die legally at the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland, and judges and the courts appear to be leaning in favour of making it legal to help someone to die.

Details of the Dutch case were released by authorities anxious to justify euthanasia laws and to demonstrate that mercy killings are carried out under full and correct medical supervision.

The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'.

The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable. Pictured, a euthanasia clinic in The Hague. It is not known where the unnamed woman involved in the case took her own life
 
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The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable. Pictured, a euthanasia clinic in The Hague. It is not known where the unnamed woman involved in the case took her own life

However, the papers also disclosed that two years before her death the woman's doctors called for a second opinion, and on the advice of the new doctors she had an intensive course of trauma therapy. 'This treatment was temporarily partially successful,' the documents said. 

HOW THE LAWS ON DYING DIFFER 

Netherlands: Euthanasia laws were introduced in 2002. In 2015 there were 5,561 euthanasia deaths; only four were found by review officials to have been marred by ‘irregularities’.

Euthanasia is carried out with drugs, either injected for incapable patients, or provided for self-medication. Psychiatric patients can be put to death at their own request despite their mental illness.

Britain: MPs voted against an Assisted Dying Bill last year by 336 votes to 118. But the courts continue to lean in favour of laws permitting assisted dying.

Guidelines effectively mean that no one who helps someone to die will be prosecuted for assisting a suicide, a crime that carries a 14-year maximum sentence, unless they did so for financial reasons.

Treatment was abandoned last year after independent consultants were called in and said the case was hopeless.

The consultants also said that despite her 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings, she was entirely competent to make the decision to take her own life.

The patient, they said, was 'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'. A final GP's report approved the 'termination of life' order and the woman was killed by an injection of lethal drugs, the report said.

In Britain yesterday her case was condemned as 'horrendous' by Labour MP Robert Flello.

He said: 'It almost sends the message that if you are the victim of abuse, and as a result you get a mental illness, you are punished by being killed, that the punishment for the crime of being a victim is death.

'It serves to reinforce why any move towards legalising assisted suicide, or assisted dying, is so dangerous.'

Tory MP Fiona Bruce, chairman of the Parliamentary All-Party Pro-Life Group, said: 'This tragic situation shows why euthanasia should never be legalised in this country. What this woman needed, at a desperate point in her young life, was help and support to overcome her problems, not the option of euthanasia.'

Nikki Kenward, of the disability rights group Distant Voices, said: 'It is both horrifying and worrying that mental health professionals could regard euthanasia in any form as an answer to the complex and deep wounds that result from sexual abuse.'



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State sanctioned killing off of the mentally ill.

How's that slippery slope for you?

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Because everything that happens in Holland happens here.

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The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

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From the comments so far, I couldn't tell...

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From the comments so far, I couldn't tell...

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 Yeah - the doctors decided a 20 year old can't recover from a traumatic experience, so they decided to kill her. 

 

 



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From the comments so far, I couldn't tell...

flan

 Yeah - the doctors decided a 20 year old can't recover from a traumatic experience, so they decided to kill her. 

 

 

 IT WAS HER DECISION.

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flan327 wrote:

From the comments so far, I couldn't tell...

flan

 Yeah - the doctors decided a 20 year old can't recover from a traumatic experience, so they decided to kill her. 

 

 

 IT WAS HER DECISION.

flan

 She's so mentally ill her life isn't worth living.  How is she competent to make that decision?  You can't have it both ways.



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From the comments so far, I couldn't tell...

flan

 Yeah - the doctors decided a 20 year old can't recover from a traumatic experience, so they decided to kill her. 

 

 

 IT WAS HER DECISION.

flan

 Her decision?  So mentally ill people always make the best decisions for themselves?  Oh ok.  Doctors have a responsibility to know better.



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Think of all the medical resources that could be freed up if we just off all of the people in mental institutions!

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Think of all the medical resources that could be freed up if we just off all of the people in mental institutions!

 Because that is EXACTLY what we're saying.

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The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

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If you want to live your life like that, fine.

She made a different choice.

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This is in another country. For now.

But with enough people with Flan's attitude, and it'll be here in America in no time.

Here's a question, if this woman had tried to enter a legal agreement, would she have been consider competent?

If not, how could she possibly be competent enough to decide life or death?

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This is in another country. For now.

But with enough people with Flan's attitude, and it'll be here in America in no time.

Here's a question, if this woman had tried to enter a legal agreement, would she have been consider competent?

If not, how could she possibly be competent enough to decide life or death?

 Mentally ill does NOT mean incompetent.

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Death loving liberals!

 Where do you get this crap?

HER LIFE. HER CHOICE.

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The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

flan

 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye



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The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

flan

 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye

I already responded to LGS' inane statement, which said basically the same thing.

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This is in another country. For now.

But with enough people with Flan's attitude, and it'll be here in America in no time.

Here's a question, if this woman had tried to enter a legal agreement, would she have been consider competent?

If not, how could she possibly be competent enough to decide life or death?

 Mentally ill does NOT mean incompetent.

flan

 But some times it does.

And when someone attempts suiside, it's an automatic 36 hours in a psych ward because they are not competent. 

But that changes when the woman is a suffering from long term depression, hallucinations and wants to die? 

 



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The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

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The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

Yep.  Don't even try to tell me that liberals aren't death happy.  Except for criminals.  They like to kill babies and the mentally ill, but damn, kill a criminal and they get ALL upset... 



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flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:


The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

flan

 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye

I already responded to LGS' inane statement, which said basically the same thing.

flan

 That was just the mentally ill.  You added physically disabled to the mix.  

Hey - let's clear up those SS disability rolls, now!  What an easy way to save billions!



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flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:


The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

flan

 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye

I already responded to LGS' inane statement, which said basically the same thing.

flan

 That was just the mentally ill.  You added physically disabled to the mix.  

Hey - let's clear up those SS disability rolls, now!  What an easy way to save billions!

 HEEEEEYYYYYYY!!!!!!  



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Sorry, Lils, you gotta go! You know you don't want to live, anyway!

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:


The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

flan

 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

flan

 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye

I already responded to LGS' inane statement, which said basically the same thing.

flan

 That was just the mentally ill.  You added physically disabled to the mix.  

Hey - let's clear up those SS disability rolls, now!  What an easy way to save billions!

 HEEEEEYYYYYYY!!!!!!  

Well, Lils, you DID say that you had suffered from depression...and you are physically disabled.  So, in Flan's world...no 



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Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

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This is in another country. For now.

But with enough people with Flan's attitude, and it'll be here in America in no time.

Here's a question, if this woman had tried to enter a legal agreement, would she have been consider competent?

If not, how could she possibly be competent enough to decide life or death?

 Mentally ill does NOT mean incompetent.

flan

 Yeah - this sounds competent:

 

Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.



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Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

 Ahhhh, a silver lining.



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Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

 Ahhhh, a silver lining.

 Does this mean I get to not die?



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Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

 Ahhhh, a silver lining.

 Does this mean I get to not die?

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But... but... I don't want to die. Not yet.

Not til after Supernatural ends.

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But... but... I don't want to die. Not yet.

Not til after Supernatural ends.

 We'll give you until your youngest turns 18 and graduates.  Don't want to rack up the foster system with more kids. 



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Wait WAIT!!!! I just comprehended this quote:

It went ahead despite improvements in the woman's psychological condition after 'intensive therapy' two years ago, 

So she WAS improving, just not fast enough? So they frickin KILLED her?!?!?!?



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The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

Yep.  Don't even try to tell me that liberals aren't death happy.  Except for criminals.  They like to kill babies and the mentally ill, but damn, kill a criminal and they get ALL upset... 

 This is true and so sad.



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But... but... I don't want to die. Not yet.

Not til after Supernatural ends.

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But... but... I don't want to die. Not yet.

Not til after Supernatural ends.

 We'll give you until your youngest turns 18 and graduates.  Don't want to rack up the foster system with more kids. 

 So, I til October. 

 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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The papers said that the woman, who was killed last year, had post-traumatic stress disorder that was resistant to treatment. Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden. Her psychiatrist said 'there was no prospect or hope for her. The patient experienced her suffering as unbearable'. The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

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 Here is the answer to your question, LL.

Did you not see the physical difficulties as well?

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 So we should just off the physically disabled and mentally ill.  Got it.  That will make our health care expenses go down.  And hey, things will be easier for everyone - the sick, their families.  Perfect.  evileye

I already responded to LGS' inane statement, which said basically the same thing.

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 That was just the mentally ill.  You added physically disabled to the mix.  

Hey - let's clear up those SS disability rolls, now!  What an easy way to save billions!

 I quoted the OP.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

 WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?

You really need a hobby.

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Wouldn't that mean Flan would need to go, too.

She said she's been suffering with depression AND anxiety.

 Ahhhh, a silver lining.

 What a compassionate thing for a CHRISTIAN to say...

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just Czech wrote:

The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

 Because it was...wait for it...HER CHOICE.

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Ohfour wrote:
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The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

Yep.  Don't even try to tell me that liberals aren't death happy.  Except for criminals.  They like to kill babies and the mentally ill, but damn, kill a criminal and they get ALL upset... 

 In your skewed world view...

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This is in another country. For now.

But with enough people with Flan's attitude, and it'll be here in America in no time.

Here's a question, if this woman had tried to enter a legal agreement, would she have been consider competent?

If not, how could she possibly be competent enough to decide life or death?

 Mentally ill does NOT mean incompetent.

flan

 Yeah - this sounds competent:

 

Her condition included severe anorexia, chronic depression and suicidal mood swings, tendencies to self-harm, hallucinations, obsessions and compulsions.

 Where did you get your medical degree? I've forgotten.

The ONLY thing that might HINT at incompetent is hallucinations.

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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
just Czech wrote:

The world is becoming more fvcked up by the minute.

Why didn't they continue intensive mental health care for more than 2 years?

Oh, right, cheaper to knock her off.

Yep.  Don't even try to tell me that liberals aren't death happy.  Except for criminals.  They like to kill babies and the mentally ill, but damn, kill a criminal and they get ALL upset... 

 In your skewed world view...

flan

What did she that is wrong?  You dont' want to kill criminals.  If a criminal forfeits someone else's life who didn't CHOOSE to die, why then should they not lose their life?



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Usually if someone is suffering from hallucinations they ARE considered incompetent. Throw in obsessions and compulsions and I can't see how she wasn't incompetent. All that with no medical degree even.

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OMG most of those symptoms by nature make one unstable. Seriously?

Though I could understand in some cases with people in end stage CT or some terminal debilitating illness.

A mentally ill 20 year old? Not so much. She should have been protected form harming herself.

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