TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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Well, I have to go out and do some shopping.
If I get hit by a car and end up on life support, with no hope of recovery, I hope they pull the plug, as per my wishes.
Despite you working on commission and wanting me to stay that way. That would suck.

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 That's a completely different topic.

 

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 Yep.  If you don't want life support, do an Advanced Directive for Healthcare or Living Will.  

A former victim of child sex abuse has ended her life under Dutch euthanasia laws because she could not live with her mental suffering.

The woman, in her twenties, was given a lethal injection after doctors and psychiatrists decided that her post-traumatic stress disorder and other conditions were incurable.

It went ahead despite improvements in the woman's psychological condition after 'intensive therapy' two years ago, and even though doctors in the Netherlands accept that a demand for death from a psychiatric patient may be no more than a cry for help.

and...in the next paragraph....


However, the papers also disclosed that two years before her death the woman's doctors called for a second opinion, and on the advice of the new doctors she had an intensive course of trauma therapy. 'This treatment was temporarily partially successful,' the documents said.

The consultants also said that despite her 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings, she was entirely competent to make the decision to take her own life.
The patient, they said, was 'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'. A final GP's report approved the 'termination of life' order and the woman was killed by an injection of lethal drugs, the report said.

apple wrote:

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and...in the next paragraph....


However, the papers also disclosed that two years before her death the woman's doctors called for a second opinion, and on the advice of the new doctors she had an intensive course of trauma therapy. 'This treatment was temporarily partially successful,' the documents said.

The consultants also said that despite her 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings, she was entirely competent to make the decision to take her own life.
The patient, they said, was 'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'. A final GP's report approved the 'termination of life' order and the woman was killed by an injection of lethal drugs, the report said.

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 Those two sentences don't contradict each other at all - do they?  

And of course, the treatment was temporarily successful until they suspended the treatment after another doctor said it was hopeless (you left out that sentence).  Soooooo, they are having success with treatment, and one doctor can suspend that treatment and then decide that while she has intolerable mental suffering, she has no depression or mood disorder that affected her thinking.

That makes NO sense, whatsoever. 

 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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and...in the next paragraph....


However, the papers also disclosed that two years before her death the woman's doctors called for a second opinion, and on the advice of the new doctors she had an intensive course of trauma therapy. 'This treatment was temporarily partially successful,' the documents said.

The consultants also said that despite her 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings, she was entirely competent to make the decision to take her own life.
The patient, they said, was 'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'. A final GP's report approved the 'termination of life' order and the woman was killed by an injection of lethal drugs, the report said.

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 Those two sentences don't contradict each other at all - do they?  

And of course, the treatment was temporarily successful until they suspended the treatment after another doctor said it was hopeless (you left out that sentence).  Soooooo, they are having success with treatment, and one doctor can suspend that treatment and then decide that while she has intolerable mental suffering, she has no depression or mood disorder that affected her thinking.

That makes NO sense, whatsoever. 

 

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 The blinders make it hard to see.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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and...in the next paragraph....


However, the papers also disclosed that two years before her death the woman's doctors called for a second opinion, and on the advice of the new doctors she had an intensive course of trauma therapy. 'This treatment was temporarily partially successful,' the documents said.

The consultants also said that despite her 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings, she was entirely competent to make the decision to take her own life.
The patient, they said, was 'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'. A final GP's report approved the 'termination of life' order and the woman was killed by an injection of lethal drugs, the report said.

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 Those two sentences don't contradict each other at all - do they?  

And of course, the treatment was temporarily successful until they suspended the treatment after another doctor said it was hopeless (you left out that sentence).  Soooooo, they are having success with treatment, and one doctor can suspend that treatment and then decide that while she has intolerable mental suffering, she has no depression or mood disorder that affected her thinking.

That makes NO sense, whatsoever. 

 

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 The blinders make it hard to see.

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 'intolerable' physical and mental suffering, chronic depression and mood swings,

vs.

'totally competent' and there was 'no major depression or other mood disorder which affected her thinking'

 

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To even take it further:

 

chronic depression

no major depression

 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I believe that's what is called an oxymoron.

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 Chronic being on-going for years.

Major meaning the severity.

 

BUT yes I do see a need to check that out further.

And if there was no major depression or other mood disorder, how was she suffering intolerably so much that it required death?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I believe that's what is called an oxymoron.

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 Chronic being on-going for years.

Major meaning the severity.

 

BUT yes I do see a need to check that out further.

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 I give you props for trying to explain.

flan

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 Oh good gravy.

We all know what those terms mean.

The point is, one says depressed and the other says it isn't intolerable. 

 

It contradicts the reasoning.

 

Why don't you go watch a porn or something and let the grown ups talk.

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And you need to check your dictionary for an example of "oxymoron."

flan

ox·y·mo·ron
ˌäksəˈmôrˌän/Submit
noun
a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).

Depressed but not depressed.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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ox·y·mo·ron
ˌäksəˈmôrˌän/Submit
noun
a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).

Depressed but not depressed.

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Yes, a FIGURE OF SPEECH....like "jumbo shrimp."

Not two conflicting statements. 

Yep.

Depressed, not depressed.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Yep.

Depressed, not depressed.

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 An OXYMORON would be "happily depressed."

flan

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Depressed is directly opposite of not depressed.

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 Right???? 

weltschmerz wrote:

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An oxymoron, on the other hand, is a combination of two contradictory or opposite words.

http://literarydevices.net/oxymoron/

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 Yes,, like this man is a woman.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I understand that a 20 something woman was killed because it was costing more to treat her than kill her.

I also understand that the woman was showing improvement with treatment.

I understand that this is a very dangerous road to be on.

And I understand that you and Weltz are ALL about death.

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 You have proof of that?

flan

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I understand that a 20 something woman was killed because it was costing more to treat her than kill her.

I also understand that the woman was showing improvement with treatment.

I understand that this is a very dangerous road to be on.

And I understand that you and Weltz are ALL about death.

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 You have proof of that?

flan

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 Only an idiot doesn't realize one would cost more than the other.  Why do you constantly ask for proof of things that are basic common sense?

So this ONE woman is saving them how much exactly? Did they hypnotize her & MAKE her request euthanasia? Why didn't they just kill her & make it look like an accident instead? Or a suicide?

THEY CHOSE TO HONOR HER REQUEST.

But, by all means, alter the facts to fit your Doomsday scenario...

And, as always, bonus points for "Let's Bash the Liberal."

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Thursday 12th of May 2016 09:51:51 PM

And BTW - I'm pretty sure even most liberals would take issue with this.

And I'm not "bashing the liberal", I'm calling out FLAN personally (and Weltz) for being absolutely, incredibly, horribly WRONG on this one.

flan327 wrote:

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So this ONE woman is saving them how much exactly? Did they hypnotize her & MAKE her request euthanasia? Why didn't they just kill her & make it look like an accident instead? Or a suicide?

THEY CHOSE TO HONOR HER REQUEST.

But, by all means, alter the facts to fit your Doomsday scenario...

And, as always, bonus points for "Let's Bash the Liberal."

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Thursday 12th of May 2016 09:51:51 PM

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 Because now it has been done. Which means the door has been opened for more death.

Seeking whom he can destroy. 

So a woman wasn't destroyed by sexual abuse, mental illness and finally death?

What about her family and friends? Guess they just shrugged and went out for slushies.