TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

RE: That useless excuse for a president has done it again.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Hey apple, here is the actual release. The parents don't have to be involved at all. Whatever you posted is BS...nice try though.

The guidance explains that when students or their parents, as appropriate, notify a school that a student is transgender, the school must treat the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. A school may not require transgender students to have a medical diagnosis, undergo any medical treatment, or produce a birth certificate or other identification document before treating them consistent with their gender identity.

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-departments-justice-and-education-release-joint-guidance-help-schools-ensure-civil-rights
I resent the implication that I am lying or trying to fool you. Get a grip.

As soon as a child’s parent or legal guardian asserts a gender identity for the student that “differs from previous representations or records,” the letter says, the child is to be treated accordingly — without any requirement for a medical diagnosis or birth certificate to be produced. It says that schools may — but are not required to — provide other restroom and locker room options to students who seek “additional privacy” for whatever reason.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html?_r=0
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/05/13/white-house-backs-transgender-bathrooms.htm
The Obama administration will send a letter to every public school district in the country telling them to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their gender identity as opposed to their birth certificate.
The letter, first obtained by The New York Times, is signed by officials at the Justice Department and Department of Education. It will be sent out to the districts on Friday.
While the letter does not have the force of law, it does warn that schools that do not abide by the administration’s interpretation of civil rights law may face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid, The Times reported.
“There is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex,” Attorney General Loretta Lynch said in a statement.
“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John B. King Jr., said in his own statement. “We must ensure that our young people know that whoever they are or wherever they come from, they have the opportunity to get a great education in an environment free from discrimination, harassment and violence.”http://1010wcsi.com/obama-administration-tells-public-schools-to-let-transgender-students-use-bathrooms-of-their-choice/
But that's not true. Read the actual release. The parents don't have to have anything to do with it...

It is true. It is in the GUIDELINES!
Can you not read? Or do you have comprehension issues. Your post states that the parent must notify the school:

Under the guidance, schools are told that they must treat transgender students according to their chosen gender identity as soon as a parent or guardian notifies the district that that identity "differs from previous representations or records."

The parent doesn't have to have anything to do with it. A 17 year old boy can decide (without question) that he's a girl for his senior year. And he gets to shower with the girls.
What about this are you not understanding?

I'm confused. A PARENT OR GUARDIAN MUST NOTIFY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT...

Seems clear enough to me.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I wonder whether any boy would actually have the audacity to claim to identify as a female just to sneak a peak. Unless it was on a dare, which isn't improbable.
They have found ways to sneak peaks for years now.
flan
That is what I was thinking.
And another thought.......how many of you have used the men's bathroom when the women's line has been long. I know my friends & I have done it many times.

So a random teen boy is going to be naked in front of a group of GIRLS for sh1ts and giggles?

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Hey apple, here is the actual release. The parents don't have to be involved at all. Whatever you posted is BS...nice try though.

The guidance explains that when students or their parents, as appropriate, notify a school that a student is transgender, the school must treat the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. A school may not require transgender students to have a medical diagnosis, undergo any medical treatment, or produce a birth certificate or other identification document before treating them consistent with their gender identity.

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-departments-justice-and-education-release-joint-guidance-help-schools-ensure-civil-rights
I resent the implication that I am lying or trying to fool you. Get a grip.

As soon as a child’s parent or legal guardian asserts a gender identity for the student that “differs from previous representations or records,” the letter says, the child is to be treated accordingly — without any requirement for a medical diagnosis or birth certificate to be produced. It says that schools may — but are not required to — provide other restroom and locker room options to students who seek “additional privacy” for whatever reason.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html?_r=0
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/05/13/white-house-backs-transgender-bathrooms.htm
The Obama administration will send a letter to every public school district in the country telling them to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their gender identity as opposed to their birth certificate.
The letter, first obtained by The New York Times, is signed by officials at the Justice Department and Department of Education. It will be sent out to the districts on Friday.
While the letter does not have the force of law, it does warn that schools that do not abide by the administration’s interpretation of civil rights law may face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid, The Times reported.
“There is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex,” Attorney General Loretta Lynch said in a statement.
“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John B. King Jr., said in his own statement. “We must ensure that our young people know that whoever they are or wherever they come from, they have the opportunity to get a great education in an environment free from discrimination, harassment and violence.”http://1010wcsi.com/obama-administration-tells-public-schools-to-let-transgender-students-use-bathrooms-of-their-choice/
But that's not true. Read the actual release. The parents don't have to have anything to do with it...

It is true. It is in the GUIDELINES!
Can you not read? Or do you have comprehension issues. Your post states that the parent must notify the school:

Under the guidance, schools are told that they must treat transgender students according to their chosen gender identity as soon as a parent or guardian notifies the district that that identity "differs from previous representations or records."

The parent doesn't have to have anything to do with it. A 17 year old boy can decide (without question) that he's a girl for his senior year. And he gets to shower with the girls.
What about this are you not understanding?

I'm confused. A PARENT OR GUARDIAN MUST NOTIFY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT...
Seems clear enough to me.
flan

But that's not what is says. God, you people CANNOT be this STUPID!!!!!!

Ohfour · Hooker

One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Liberals are so easily fooled...
You are shameful in your generalizations.
If you can't disprove something using facts you revert to this general maligning technique, it is rather pathetic and not really welcome by those who wish to debate facts.
I did disprove you, using facts. I can't help that you refuse to see it. Everyone else does...

No you did not. You attempted to discredit what I posted even with all the links to the guidelines imposed on this ruling that I supplied.

Ignorance and denial does not equal fact.

A joint letter from the Departments of Education and Justice went to schools Friday with guidelines to ensure that "transgender students enjoy a supportive and nondiscriminatory school environment," the Obama administration said Thursday.

The legal guidance issued Friday by federal agencies says that when a school is notified that a student is transgender, educators must treat the student consistent with the student’s gender identity.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.

It is right there, can you not read?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.

Nowhere does it state the AGE of the student.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
It is right there, can you not read?

We may indeed be hallucinating.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ohfour wrote:
Here is THE exact wording:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.

As appropriate.

That means the age of the student.

Could be 14, could be 18.

The parent won't have any say.

I see this following the same twisted logic of allowing underage girls being given abortions without parental consent.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
It is right there, can you not read?

It SAYS the student OR the student's parents. Do you not understand 'OR"????

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
It is right there, can you not read?

We may indeed be hallucinating.
flan

No, you just don't know the definition of the word OR.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Liberals are so easily fooled...
You are shameful in your generalizations.
If you can't disprove something using facts you revert to this general maligning technique, it is rather pathetic and not really welcome by those who wish to debate facts.
"...debate facts?" Are you new here?
flan

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
Nowhere does it state the AGE of the student.
flan

Exactly. So that's left totally open for a student of any age to claim to be a tranny...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Just because that boy identifies as female does not mean everyone does. PENISES do not belong in the girl's locker room. PERIOD.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
It is right there, can you not read?

We may indeed be hallucinating.
flan
No, you just don't know the definition of the word OR.

I do, however, know the definition of APPROPRIATE, but we are LACKING DETAILS.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And if ANY of you think sending a GIRL into the boys locker room is a good idea, you are out of your minds.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Liberals are so easily fooled...
You are shameful in your generalizations.
If you can't disprove something using facts you revert to this general maligning technique, it is rather pathetic and not really welcome by those who wish to debate facts.
"...debate facts?" Are you new here?
flan
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.

Must.Not.Engage.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
It is right there, can you not read?

We may indeed be hallucinating.
flan
No, you just don't know the definition of the word OR.
I do, however, know the definition of APPROPRIATE, but we are LACKING DETAILS.
flan

These ARE the details. This is the letter the Obama administration sent out. So tell me wise Flannie. What does APPROPRIATE mean to you?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
Nowhere does it state the AGE of the student.
flan
Exactly. So that's left totally open for a student of any age to claim to be a tranny...

RIIIIIGHT...

You quoted part of the letter.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lexxy wrote:
flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:
I wonder whether any boy would actually have the audacity to claim to identify as a female just to sneak a peak. Unless it was on a dare, which isn't improbable.
They have found ways to sneak peaks for years now.
flan
That is what I was thinking.
And another thought.......how many of you have used the men's bathroom when the women's line has been long. I know my friends & I have done it many times.

What else are we going to excuse and make legal simply because "it's been happening for years"?

And yes, I have used the men's room on occasion, after asking someone if anyone else was in there and if I had someone watching the door.

Same for guys using the women's.

That's NOT the same as this.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
One more time, for the selective illiterate. Here is part of the actual letter:

The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.6 Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence),7 requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity.
Nowhere does it state the AGE of the student.
flan
Exactly. So that's left totally open for a student of any age to claim to be a tranny...
RIIIIIGHT...
You quoted part of the letter.
flan

Then go read the whole thing. I shared a link to it. No where does it mention ANYTHING about age...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.

Yes, I saw that.

flan

FNW · Guru

So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.

Lindley · Guru

I'm so glad my kids are homeschooling my grandchildren.

apple · Guru

FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.

I resent your bad apple reference! biggrin

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.

Not sure if that helps.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.

This is not about transgendered people. This is about people that will use this policy to go into locker rooms with the opposite sex.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.

Exactly!

It isn't the quiet transgender we are worried about.

It's the criminal and pervs that concern us.

How you don't see the problem is beyond me.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.
This is not about transgendered people. This is about people that will use this policy to go into locker rooms with the opposite sex.

Really? confuse

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.
Exactly!
It isn't the quiet transgender we are worried about.
It's the criminal and pervs that concern us.
How you don't see the problem is beyond me.

right, the pervs who get their parents or guardians to send a letter to the school saying they are transgender? THOSE pervs?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.
Exactly!
It isn't the quiet transgender we are worried about.
It's the criminal and pervs that concern us.
How you don't see the problem is beyond me.
right, the pervs who get their parents or guardians to send a letter to the school saying they are transgender? THOSE pervs?

The pervs that don't need a letter from their parents. You really are dense aren't you?

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.
This is not about transgendered people. This is about people that will use this policy to go into locker rooms with the opposite sex.
Really?

Yep. We've said it over and over.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Paranoia rocks!

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Idiocy abounds!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan

And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan
And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.

With a letter from a parent or guardian. Yes it seems to be the ruling. "These kids", the small minority of them, can pee in the bathroom stall next to your kid. Oh the humanity.

FNW · Guru

apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
So what is to stop anyone from entering the opposite gender's bathroom now? I don't recall ever being "carded" before having to pee. Of course, before, the intruder could be arrested, and now all they have to say is they "identify". Really, pervs are pervs and aren't going to comply with the law anyway.

The problem I have with this is the age group the law is targeting. Minors. So they want to protect the trans population? Rather than permitting them to use the opposite gender's bathroom and locker room, they should permit them an excuse from PE which would require them to need a locker room, and/or give them their own locker room/restroom. That would be ridiculous, still, but it would seem to be a compromise which would not compromise the safety of the children.

This is proof that a few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch.
I resent your bad apple reference!

From what I know, based on my experiences, trans people are not LOUD AND PROUD and are generally not about to strip naked and flaunt the genitalia that they are at odds with.
Not sure if that helps.

That was kind of the point of providing a special locker/bathroom for the trans. They are modest. But they aren't the ones parents are concerned about. It's the freaks that try to sneak in as a trans. And from what I've heard, no parental letter is required. And even so, letters can be forged. Did you see the story about the 7 year old who wrote her own note, obviously written by a child, and the school accepted it? And how many of us wrote our own notes to excuse absences, or had a friend write it? Notes don't mean squat.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan
And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.
With a letter from a parent or guardian. Yes it seems to be the ruling. "These kids", the small minority of them, can pee in the bathroom stall next to your kid. Oh the humanity.

Are you purposely ignoring the locker room and showers issue?

FNW · Guru

As for paranoia, the same could be said about someone walking to their car, after dark, keys in hand, looking over their shoulder, at a shopping mall during the holiday season. I call that being aware of my surroundings, and watching for potential danger.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan
And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.
With a letter from a parent or guardian. Yes it seems to be the ruling. "These kids", the small minority of them, can pee in the bathroom stall next to your kid. Oh the humanity.
Are you purposely ignoring the locker room and showers issue?

Of course she is. Just like she's ignoring the fact that the letter that was sent did not say that a parent or guardian had to request it. The students can do it on their own.

I think she's being deliberately obtuse. Because she's been proven wring over and over again. It's like a pathological liar. They believe their own lies...

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan
And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.
With a letter from a parent or guardian. Yes it seems to be the ruling. "These kids", the small minority of them, can pee in the bathroom stall next to your kid. Oh the humanity.
Are you purposely ignoring the locker room and showers issue?

I was responding directly to your post above. It mentioned washrooms or "bathrooms".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I have SEVERAL times posted about the locker rooms - you've ignored it each time.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I have SEVERAL times posted about the locker rooms - you've ignored it each time.

It's her MO...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Friday 13th of May 2016 03:50:39 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And it doesn't matter. The number of transgenders in this country is TINY. A separate unisex bathroom solves the issue. That is more than a reasonable accommodation.

This should be a non-issue.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This is the important part -

Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
Yes, I saw that.
flan
And yet you think it's perfectly fine and dandy. My kid needs an excuse from a doctor to miss PE, and these kids can just go into any bathroom without any diagnosis at all.

Ridiculous.
With a letter from a parent or guardian. Yes it seems to be the ruling. "These kids", the small minority of them, can pee in the bathroom stall next to your kid. Oh the humanity.
Are you purposely ignoring the locker room and showers issue?
Of course she is. Just like she's ignoring the fact that the letter that was sent did not say that a parent or guardian had to request it. The students can do it on their own.
I think she's being deliberately obtuse. Because she's been proven wring over and over again. It's like a pathological liar. They believe their own lies...

No actually I am neither pathological or obtuse. I am researching this, from what I have seen in the guidelines a parent or guardian must sign the letter saying the child is transgender. Also, if that is true, I wonder how many children would write their own not and give it to the school supervisor, saying that they are transgender. Transgender children usually dress in accordance with the gender they identify with.

The locker room and shower was not mentioned in the post, not that it matters. Facts don't seem to matter to you.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I have SEVERAL times posted about the locker rooms - you've ignored it each time.

I did respond.... I mentioned that transgender children are usually quite shy and at odds with their own gender, not flaunting their genitalia in others faces so to speak.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have SEVERAL times posted about the locker rooms - you've ignored it each time.
I did respond.... I mentioned that transgender children are usually quite shy and at odds with their own gender, not flaunting their genitalia in others faces so to speak.

Do you even read your posts before you press submit. You couldn't be more of a spin doctor if you tried! You should get into politics. You are the master of deflect or ignore! Kudos to you! You have the skill, that's for damn sure!

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Pick your news source.
Obama has sent a directive to every public school saying they must let students use which ever bathroom they feel comfortable with or the school will lose federal funding.
It's over reaching and none of his business.
I am so thankful my kids are about done with public school.
If I had little kids starting school now, they'd be private or home schooled. No way I'd send a kid into the public school system now.

Absolutely...I will be funding the grandkids's private school. They will not be exposed to this...
And this includes locker rooms.
Unfortunately, thats not an option for everyone.
She doesn't care.
flan
And obviously you don't care about the safety of teenage girls. I would work a second and third job to make sure my grandchildren are not exposed to this perversion. You seem to relish in it, but that's not surprising...

It's not just about money. There are no private schools where we live within reasonable driving distance.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I have SEVERAL times posted about the locker rooms - you've ignored it each time.
I did respond.... I mentioned that transgender children are usually quite shy and at odds with their own gender, not flaunting their genitalia in others faces so to speak.

It's not all about them. It's also about the other children in that room that could be uncomfortable having a person of the opposite sex in the room with them while THEY have to shower and change.