TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Let's discuss this.

huskerbb · Guru

Of course it's damaging. The fact that for whatever reason they either think they are or want to be another gender is a mental defect like any other and should be treated as such--not encouraged.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
Of course it's damaging. The fact that for whatever reason they either think they are or want to be another gender is a mental defect like any other and should be treated as such--not encouraged.

Cool your micro agression!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Guess not a lot can be said.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Guess not a lot can be said.

Awwww, you started a thread & no body wants to play with you.

The OP is ONE opinion. ONE.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It says a lot.

Opinion based on 30 and 40 years of research.

So. How do you explain it?

Of course it isn't based on a Quaker blog but an actual doctor, so I see your problem with it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
It says a lot.

Opinion based on 30 and 40 years of research.

So. How do you explain it?

Of course it isn't based on a Quaker blog but an actual doctor, so I see your problem with it.

You see NOTHING, that's your problem.

Research went into the SERMON that you somehow managed to find. RESEARCH from OTHER doctors who disagree with your OP.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It says a lot.

Opinion based on 30 and 40 years of research.

So. How do you explain it?

Of course it isn't based on a Quaker blog but an actual doctor, so I see your problem with it.
You see NOTHING, that's your problem.
Research went into the SERMON that you somehow managed to find. RESEARCH from OTHER doctors who disagree with your OP.
flan

Soooo, your doctors are right and ours are wrong. Lol!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Bruce can lop of his penis and change his name. He's still a biological male. Surgery does not change that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Newsflash:

Doctors are human. Some graduated at the bottom of their class. Some researchers use flawed methods.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It says a lot.

Opinion based on 30 and 40 years of research.

So. How do you explain it?

Of course it isn't based on a Quaker blog but an actual doctor, so I see your problem with it.
You see NOTHING, that's your problem.
Research went into the SERMON that you somehow managed to find. RESEARCH from OTHER doctors who disagree with your OP.
flan

So you post a quote from a sermon and it's had a lot of research you accept it.

I post an article with quotes from the actual doctor doing the actual research, and I made sure it wasn't a sermon, and you want to dismiss it.

Tell me, if I were to post quotes from a sermon, how much fun would you make of it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Newsflash:

Doctors are human. Some graduated at the bottom of their class. Some researchers use flawed methods.

flan

And your just pissed that a John's Hopkins doctor disagrees with you and your warped views.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Newsflash:

Doctors are human. Some graduated at the bottom of their class. Some researchers use flawed methods.

flan

What was wrong about what he said?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm betting Flan didn't read the OP.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Newsflash:

Doctors are human. Some graduated at the bottom of their class. Some researchers use flawed methods.

flan
What was wrong about what he said?

If she read it, the only thing wrong with it, is that it is the opposite of what she has been spouting.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Guess Flan is waiting for someone to agree with.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Is There Something Unique about the Transgender Brain?

Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity

By Francine Russo on January 1, 2016

Credit: ©iStock

Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans.

Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqué Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”

FRANCINE RUSSO is a veteran journalist, specializing in psychology and behavior.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Experiments?

Journalist specializing in psychology and behavior?

So basically, opinion.

Not 30 and 40 years of actual research and daily working with and a doctor with an actual Ph.d.

Try again.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Hey Flan, answer these.

lilyofcourse wrote:
How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Hey Flan, answer these.
lilyofcourse wrote:
How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

Here's a BIG HINT:

I don't like you, THEREFORE, increasing your font size does squat.

Do I also need to draw you a picture?

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Hey Flan, answer these.
lilyofcourse wrote:
How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

Here's a BIG HINT:
I don't like you, THEREFORE, increasing your font size does squat.
Do I also need to draw you a picture?
flan

I don't care if you like me.

Can you answer the questions?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The question is not "Can I," but "Will I?"

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok.

Will you?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Guess not.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Bruce can lop of his penis and change his name. He's still a biological male. Surgery does not change that.

He didn't lop off his penis, he still has it and likes to use it.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Johns Hopkins psychiatrist drops TRUTH BOMB about transgenders – liberals furious
Written by Michele Hickford, Editor-in-Chief on May 10, 2016

It is simply amazing how such a tiny minority in our country….just three tenths of a percent…has forced a national debate about whether the public bathroom they visit should or should not match the gender of their plumbing.
The entire notion of gender is being questioned. It is now “bigoted” to believe we live in a “gender-binary” world. The idea that humans come in only two flavors: male and female, is seen as outdated, old-fashioned, antiquated and just plain mean.
Now we must accept “gender fluidity.” Children as young as four are being encouraged to choose their gender identity, as if it were a Halloween costume.
And according to a noted psychiatrist, that’s just about right.
As CNS News reports, Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.

All such people, he explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”
Dr. McHugh, who was psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital for 26 years, the medical institute that had initially pioneered sex-change surgery – and later ceased the practice – stressed that the cultural meme, or idea that “one’s sex is fluid and a matter of choice” is extremely damaging, especially to young people.
Now this will REALLY whip liberals into a frenzy, but Dr. McHugh says those who wish to change their gender suffer from a psychiatric condition, not an accident of birth.
Gender dysphoria—the official psychiatric term for feeling oneself to be of the opposite sex—belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder,” said McHugh.
“Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction,” he said.

Perhaps the most tragic part of this new trend is the consequence. After the immense pain and hardship of transitioning, a high percentage of transgendered individuals eventually take their own lives.
When “the tumult and shouting dies,” McHugh continued, “it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest.”
“Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers,” said McHugh.
I will probably get hammered by our liberal readers for apparently “trivializing” this issue, but here I go anyway…
When I was growing up in the ‘70’s there was a TV commercial for Chiffon margarine, which apparently tasted just like butter…but it’s not. The very last (and very famous) line from the commercial was “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.”

Apparently that is still the case.

Dr. Paul McHugh?

The discredited scientist whose research has been proven flawed over and over again?

Dr. Paul McHugh, who is a rabid, ultra-Orthodox homophobe?

Dr. Paul McHugh, whose peers strongly disagree with him?

That Dr. Paul McHugh? Lol!

Sure, let's discuss this.

weltschmerz · Guru

www.transadvocate.com/worlds-experts-condemn-the-mchugh-hoax_n_13924.htm

thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/10/3668041/paul-mchugh-transgender/

weltschmerz · Guru

Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

A doctor. With 40 years worth of research to back his claim.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So Weltz, you answer these questions.

lilyofcourse wrote:
How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?

And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?

I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?
And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?
I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM

Flan's post had nothing to do with anything.

You wanted to discuss Dr. Paul McHugh's "study", which was discredited six ways from Sunday.

I'm discussing it. I'm not discussing Quakers or the Amish or whatever the hell it was.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?
And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?
I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM
Flan's post had nothing to do with anything.
You wanted to discuss Dr. Paul McHugh's "study", which was discredited six ways from Sunday.
I'm discussing it. I'm not discussing Quakers or the Amish or whatever the hell it was.

You want to dismiss an actual doctor because of his religious leanings.

But you didn't dismiss a sermon because it said what you wanted it to.

So answer the questions.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

lilyofcourse wrote:
So Weltz, you answer these questions.
lilyofcourse wrote:
How do you explain the FACT that once hormone therapy is stopped, they go back to their original state?

How do you respond to the INCREASE of suicide AFTER sex change?

At what point do you understand that encouraging Transgenderism, you are encouraging and exacerbating the mental illness of that individual?

Answer these questions.

weltschmerz · Guru

1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

weltschmerz · Guru

inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/27/being-transgender-no-longer-a-mental-disorder-in-diagnostic-manual/

weltschmerz · Guru

ts4jc.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/my-rebuttal-to-dr-paul-mchughs-wall-street-journal-op-ed/

weltschmerz · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

Dr. McHugh touts the 2011 Karolinska Institute study as affirmation of his early position. Upon review of this study, significant problems with it are obvious to someone who understands the transsexual population. The sex-reassigned persons are compared to a control group of individuals who had no history of gender variation. Historically, the study group faces far greater discrimination, experiences far more violence against them, tend to be underemployed and underinsured, are far more likely to encounter negative prejudice when attempting to establish a meaningful and lasting personal relationship, and are often ostracized by their own families and support structures like the church. Therefore, it is no surprise that their outcomes will not compare favorably with a control group that generally does not face that same onslaught of obstacles.

From my posted link.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?
And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?
I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM
Flan's post had nothing to do with anything.
You wanted to discuss Dr. Paul McHugh's "study", which was discredited six ways from Sunday.
I'm discussing it. I'm not discussing Quakers or the Amish or whatever the hell it was.
You want to dismiss an actual doctor because of his religious leanings.
But you didn't dismiss a sermon because it said what you wanted it to.

So answer the questions.

No. I'm dismissing him because his work has been discredited over and over and over again.

By other doctors.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?
And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?
I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM
Flan's post had nothing to do with anything.
You wanted to discuss Dr. Paul McHugh's "study", which was discredited six ways from Sunday.
I'm discussing it. I'm not discussing Quakers or the Amish or whatever the hell it was.
You want to dismiss an actual doctor because of his religious leanings.
But you didn't dismiss a sermon because it said what you wanted it to.

So answer the questions.

No. I'm dismissing him because his work has been discredited over and over and over again.
By other doctors.

But, if he is a DOCTOR, it must be true, welts. Plus, it was on the Interwebz.

I don't waste my time playing games with people whose minds are not open to considering facts.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Let's discuss this further, shall we?
Dr. Paul McHugh belongs to the American College of Pediatricians, a phony-baloney organisation since 2002, which boasts anywhere from 60 to 200 members, all rabid evangelicals. They have been accused of fraud over and over again.
Compare this to the American Association of Pediatrics, which has over 6,000 members, has been around since 1937, and who have opposed the "studies" of these bigoted charlatans since its inception.
The members of the ACP don't have to be board certified and don't do peer reviewed studies.

Shall we continue to discuss it?
And why didn't you call Flan out for her quoting of a Quaker sermon as facts instead of the opinion that it was?
I know, because you agreed with what it said.

You're so full crap.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 16th of May 2016 01:33:50 AM

Actual research was used in the sermon (actually it's called a "Message," but I didn't want to confuse you even more).

Brain scans...ever heard of those?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

Just gloss right over this! LMAO! Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal. But, gloss on by!!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Bring on the Link Police! !

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Up until all this PC crap, this was a diagnosed mental illness. Now, it's only a mental illness if you want therapy to fix it. evileye

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, i guess you aren't really diabetic, unless you want to fix it?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?
Just gloss right over this! LMAO! Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal. But, gloss on by!!

If you have diagnosed clinical depression, your brain chemistry is not "normal."

That is NOT the same as cancer.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Up until all this PC crap, this was a diagnosed mental illness. Now, it's only a mental illness if you want therapy to fix it.

And, again, remember those conservative preachers who claimed that they could "fix" homosexuality?

flan