TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

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   Just gloss right over this!  LMAO!  Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal.  But, gloss on by!!

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 If you have diagnosed clinical depression, your brain chemistry is not "normal."

That is NOT the same as cancer.

flan

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 It is a diagnosed mental illness.  Thank you for just proving the point.

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 And you wonder WHY there is still a stigma attached to MI in this country?

Wow...

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

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   Just gloss right over this!  LMAO!  Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal.  But, gloss on by!!

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 If you have diagnosed clinical depression, your brain chemistry is not "normal."

That is NOT the same as cancer.

flan

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 It is a diagnosed mental illness.  Thank you for just proving the point.

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 And you wonder WHY there is still a stigma attached to MI in this country?

Wow...

flan

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 So stating a fact is somehow showing a stigma.  That is warped and a perfect example of the "perpetually offended" problem in this country.

 

Or, what's the matter, flan, don't like your mental illness being compared to transgenderism? 

weltschmerz wrote:

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1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

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 Oh, ok, lol.  Welts has decreed it from on high!!  She's the Expert.

Apparently Bruce is thinking of going back to being Bruce. It is a deep seated problem that makeup and surgery don't fix.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

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 Oh, ok, lol.  Welts has decreed it from on high!!  She's the Expert.

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 I trust her background more than that of other people here.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

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   Just gloss right over this!  LMAO!  Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal.  But, gloss on by!!

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 If you have diagnosed clinical depression, your brain chemistry is not "normal."

That is NOT the same as cancer.

flan

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 It is a diagnosed mental illness.  Thank you for just proving the point.

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 And you wonder WHY there is still a stigma attached to MI in this country?

Wow...

flan

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 So stating a fact is somehow showing a stigma.  That is warped and a perfect example of the "perpetually offended" problem in this country.

 

Or, what's the matter, flan, don't like your mental illness being compared to transgenderism? 

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Yes, without your stamp of approval, I can't carry on...

flan

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 There it is again.  Snark, snark, snark.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Yes, something "unique in the brain". A brain tumor is unique to people with brain cancer. So, that proves what? That doesn't make it normal now does it?

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   Just gloss right over this!  LMAO!  Showing that someone's brain is different is not the same thing as saying the brain is Normal.  But, gloss on by!!

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 If you have diagnosed clinical depression, your brain chemistry is not "normal."

That is NOT the same as cancer.

flan

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 It is a diagnosed mental illness.  Thank you for just proving the point.

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 And you wonder WHY there is still a stigma attached to MI in this country?

Wow...

flan

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 So stating a fact is somehow showing a stigma.  That is warped and a perfect example of the "perpetually offended" problem in this country.

 

Or, what's the matter, flan, don't like your mental illness being compared to transgenderism? 

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Yes, without your stamp of approval, I can't carry on...

flan

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 There it is again.  Snark, snark, snark.

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 I was RESPONDING to a QUESTION.

flan

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 Your response had nothing to do with the question.  It was just more nastiness.  Seriously, nastiness is 97% of your posts.  You are truly the perfect example of an internet bully.  The only difference is that the real grown-ups on the board don't whine about it - they just handle it.

I think we, professionals need to actually see it for what it is.

It is a mental issue.

When one thinks they are something they are not, that is a mental issue.

Even if they are born that way, it is still a mental issue.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think we, professionals need to actually see it for what it is.

It is a mental issue.

When one thinks they are something they are not, that is a mental issue.

Even if they are born that way, it is still a mental issue.

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"We as professionals?"

I had no idea you were a mental health professional!  Since when?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think we, professionals need to actually see it for what it is.

It is a mental issue.

When one thinks they are something they are not, that is a mental issue.

Even if they are born that way, it is still a mental issue.

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 I wonder though, calling transgender a mental issue changes the washroom issue how?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

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 1. Proves that a man will NEVER be a woman and a woman will NEVER be a man.

Washing the brain in certain hormones to achieve a desired affect is not changing anything. It's fake. 

2.And because they have done the ultimate to change but they are still the same.

You can not rearrange the basic, fundamental building blocks of the human body. A male is a male is a male. Period. 

3. If a person wants to remove a leg, they are mentally ill. If they are depressed, mentally ill. Have an eating disorder,  mentally ill. Lies uncontrollably, mentally ill. Cuts themselves, mental illness. But thinks they are the opposite sex they are perfectly fine.

 

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 No, it's because of the incessant bullying, mocking and hate.

From Apple's link....

Do these folks have any idea what openly Transgender people go through on a daily basis; the relentless taunting and bullying and physical violence they endure? Do they know the alarming rates of depression and self-harm and suicide among the Transgender population?

weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

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 1. Proves that a man will NEVER be a woman and a woman will NEVER be a man.

Washing the brain in certain hormones to achieve a desired affect is not changing anything. It's fake. 

2.And because they have done the ultimate to change but they are still the same.

You can not rearrange the basic, fundamental building blocks of the human body. A male is a male is a male. Period. 

3. If a person wants to remove a leg, they are mentally ill. If they are depressed, mentally ill. Have an eating disorder,  mentally ill. Lies uncontrollably, mentally ill. Cuts themselves, mental illness. But thinks they are the opposite sex they are perfectly fine.

 

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 No, it's because of the incessant bullying, mocking and hate.

From Apple's link....

Do these folks have any idea what openly Transgender people go through on a daily basis; the relentless taunting and bullying and physical violence they endure? Do they know the alarming rates of depression and self-harm and suicide among the Transgender population?

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 You think it's because they're bullied (although how people know to bully them when they look like what they wish they were). I think it's because they are mentally ill and your opinion carries no more weight than anyone elses so get over yourself.

Tinydancer wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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1. They go back to their default gender without the meds.
2. The increase in suicide rates is due to not being accepted and being mocked and bullied.
3.Transgenderism isn't a mental illness.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 16th of May 2016 02:07:43 AM

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 1. Proves that a man will NEVER be a woman and a woman will NEVER be a man.

Washing the brain in certain hormones to achieve a desired affect is not changing anything. It's fake. 

2.And because they have done the ultimate to change but they are still the same.

You can not rearrange the basic, fundamental building blocks of the human body. A male is a male is a male. Period. 

3. If a person wants to remove a leg, they are mentally ill. If they are depressed, mentally ill. Have an eating disorder,  mentally ill. Lies uncontrollably, mentally ill. Cuts themselves, mental illness. But thinks they are the opposite sex they are perfectly fine.

 

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 No, it's because of the incessant bullying, mocking and hate.

From Apple's link....

Do these folks have any idea what openly Transgender people go through on a daily basis; the relentless taunting and bullying and physical violence they endure? Do they know the alarming rates of depression and self-harm and suicide among the Transgender population?

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 You think it's because they're bullied (although how people know to bully them when they look like what they wish they were). I think it's because they are mentally ill and your opinion carries no more weight than anyone elses so get over yourself.

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Transgenderism is not considered a mental illness. It's not my opinion.

This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

You pick the ones you agree with and I'll do the same. So let's see those percentages and it still won't change my mind.

weltschmerz wrote:

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This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

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 It was simply renamed.  It's still a medical diagnosis for mental illness if they want treatment for it or want to use it as the basis of an ADA lawsuit.

 

Way to walk a double sided, hypocritical line.

And while I am on the subject, the American College of Pediatricians is also a fraud. It is a shell group, if you will, which was created to push a phony scientific argument about the so-called dangers of homosexuality. The American College of Pediatricians is not motivated by science but the so-called Christian beliefs of its members.


And on top of all of these lies, the claim that Facts About Youth is non-political is also another distortion. The web site gives a shout out to the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), an organization which, despite of all the proof to the contrary, pushes the phony claim that homosexuality is a “changeable condition.” Facts About Youth lists NARTH members as being on a subcommittee of the American College of Pediatricians. One member is George Rekers, a former University of South Carolina professor, a founder of the anti-gay Family Research Council, and a Baptist minister.

www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/phony-medical-group-attem_b_527772.html

Considered a hate group by YOU and the number of members proves their veracity how?

Tinydancer wrote:

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Considered a hate group by YOU and the number of members proves their veracity how?

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They're an extremist Christian group. Nuff said. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think we, professionals need to actually see it for what it is.

It is a mental issue.

When one thinks they are something they are not, that is a mental issue.

Even if they are born that way, it is still a mental issue.

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 So they have no control over it, but they're still "not" transgender?

flan

weltschmerz wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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You pick the ones you agree with and I'll do the same. So let's see those percentages and it still won't change my mind.

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Easy. American College of Pediatricians vs the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The first one is considered a hate group. Dr. McHugh belongs to that one.

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 The group has been quoted here before.

But, since the mindset of most posters fits in well with those "experts"...

flan

weltschmerz wrote:

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This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think we, professionals need to actually see it for what it is.

It is a mental issue.

When one thinks they are something they are not, that is a mental issue.

Even if they are born that way, it is still a mental issue.

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 I wonder though, calling transgender a mental issue changes the washroom issue how?

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 See? Try to have a meat conversation and it gets covered in milk.

The bathrooms are not the problem.

Having a transgender in the stall beside me is no big deal.

Having a perv masquerading as a transgender in the stall next to me is the problem.

I'm not talking about bathrooms.

The OP isn't talking about bathrooms.

It's talking about the mental soundness of transgender people.

But nice try at deflecting. 

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 I wasn't deflecting, it was an honest question.

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 And the bathroom issue has been addressed ad nauseum. You just don't want to accept it.

So. Back to the subject.

Is transgenderism a mental issue.

Notice, didn't say illness. 

The illustrious Dr. McHugh:

Unfortunately, it appears that McHugh has decided to ignore the growing body of neurological and genetic research providing evidence of a biological basis for gender dysphoria. A 2009 study found a correlation between an increased number of a certain kind of sequence repeat in the Androgen Receptor gene and gender dysphoria.

McHugh, again, appears to selectively reading the literature to support his own agenda. It is first important to note that Dr McHugh is grossly misconstruing the findings of the Karolinka study. The study compared the mental health of post-surgical trans people with age-matched cisgender controls. The study itself posits absolutely zero link between gender confirming surgery itself and the mental health of these people, and the authors themselves caution against interpreting the data in such a way.

Perhaps most offensively, Dr McHugh then goes on to attempt to break down transgender individuals into three wide and poorly defined categories- with absolutely zero research or evidence other than his own personal say-so.

McHugh is correct in his assertion that 80% of gender-nonconforming children do not go on to adult gender dysphoria. However, gender identity is far more firm in adolescents.

flan