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Obama’s ‘Transgender’ Plan: Exclude Parents, Let Officials Handle Childrens’ Sexual Problems

 
 
 

President Barack Obama’s new transgender plan for K-12 schools recommends parents be secretly excluded from any decisive role when their children experiment with sexual “gender identities” as male or female.

The exclusion of parents from their children’s life-and-death, prosperity-or-suicide, teenage development is explicitly approved by Obama’s Democratic Party aides in a nine-page, May 13 legal directive, dubbed a “Dear colleague” letter.

The Departments interpret Title IX [law] to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a [unusual] gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity.

The instructions are repeated on page 8 of the 25-page guidance document, issued May 13, which is intended to govern 55 million children at 100,000 schools.

Parents are often the first to initiate a conversation with the school when their child is transgender, particularly when younger children are involved. Parents may play less of a role in an older student’s transition. Some school policies recommend, with regard to an older student, that school staff consult with the student before reaching out to the student’s parents.

The radical big-government sexual rules are being pushed even though only about one in every 2,400 Americans have changed their name from one sex to another, according to a recent study of the 2010 census. Even pro-transgender advocates say that only one in 300 Americans are transgender.

The 25-page guidance document is titled Examples of Policies and Emerging Practices for Supporting Transgender Students.

It provides examples on page eight and nine where Democratic-run school districts urged teachers to keep parents in the dark while immature children and teenagers experiment with their lifetime sexual character by pretending in public to be part of the opposite sex.

The District of Columbia Public Schools issued guidance (“DCPS Guidance”) noting that “students may choose to have their parents participate in the transition process, but parental participation is not required.” … the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education issued guidance [says] … School personnel should speak with the student first before discussing a student’s gender nonconformity or transgender status with the student’s parent or guardian … Oregon’s Department of Education issued guidance stating … transgender students may not want their parents to know about their transgender identity. These situations should be addressed on a case-by-case basis and school districts should balance the goal of supporting the student with the requirement that parents be kept informed about their children.

On page 10 of the guidance document, Obama’s deputies provide more tips for hiding children’s life-changing sexual experiments from their parents.

California’s El Rancho Unified School District issued a regulation … [that] reminds school personnel to be “mindful of the confidentiality and privacy rights of [transgender] students when contacting parents/legal guardians so as not to reveal, imply, or refer to a student’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.”

However, in most schools, all kids and parents quickly will learn of a child’s sexual problem because the policy urges school officials to force other students — under threat of punishment — to call the student by his or her name, even when the name is obviously inappropriate for the child’s sex.

The other students will also be forced to lie to themselves — even in science class – by using the incorrect pronouns, such as “she” for a male child. For example, the document cites D.C. school rules;

The DCPS Guidance provides examples of prohibited harassment that transgender students sometimes experience, including misusing an individual’s preferred name or pronouns on purpose, asking personal questions about a person’s body or gender transition, and disclosing private information.

Although parents — or any of the other kids in school — should have no say in their chid’s sexual development under Obama’s plan, athletic directors are allowed  a role in deciding what sports they can play. For example, when a boy wants to play in the girl’s league in California, “the California Interscholastic Federation establishes a panel of professionals, including at least one person with training or expertise in gender identity health care or advocacy, to make eligibility decisions,” says the guidance document.

In general, Obama’s rules are intended to advance the far-left ideology of “gender identity,” which is far more ambitious than just providing a private bathroom to a few role-playing “transgender” children who have not undergone surgery.

Progressives argue that men and women, young boys and young girls, should be free to fluidly adopt, create, and discard multiple varieties of temporary “gender identities” as they please, with or without the support of their parents and communities. That gender-fluid society, they insist, would be better than the civic rules which Americans have gradually developed to maximize benefits from the two distinct sexes’ different average biological capabilities and preferences.

For example, a gender-fluid society would not expect men to be the main breadwinner in a family, nor expect women to play a larger role in childrearing, not even expect childrearing families to consist of one man and one woman. This “gender fluid” society would also let government officials manage conflicts between parents and shape the adult character and education of supposedly sex-less, gender-fluid children.

In contrast, conservatives say the current civic and sex-related rules help children work with their changing biological bodies to mature into mature adults, then into parents, and then to form strong families that have little need for government direction.

Obama’s document includes these definitions of the hoped-for gender-fluid society.

Gender identity refers to a person’s deeply felt internal sense of being male or female, regardless of their sex assigned at birth. (Washington State Guidelines)

Sex assigned at birth refers to the sex designation, usually “male” or “female,” assigned to a person when they are born. (NYSED Guidance)

Gender expression refers to the manner in which a person represents or expresses gender to others, often through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, activities, voice or mannerisms.

To help children transition to a gender-fluid society, Obama and his deputies oppose any test, rule, procedure, double-check, scientific evidence or mechanism for verifying a minor’s claim of transgender feelings or of other sexually irregular feelings about their own body. They also oppose objections from parents. On page seven of the guidance document, Obama’s aides say that

Schools generally rely on students’ (or in the case of younger students, their parents’ or guardians’) expression of their gender identity. Although schools sometimes request some form of confirmation, they generally accept the student’s asserted gender identity.

When parents are excuded, Obama’s edict suggests that government-funded “social workers” can act as substitute parents.

School counselors can help transgender students who may experience mental health disorders such as depression, anxiety, and posttraumatic stress … Schools will be in a better position to support transgender students if they communicate to all students that resources are available, and that they are competent to provide support and services to any student who has questions related to gender identity.

Chicago’s practices are a model for other counselors, the document suggests.

[Chicago officials] convene a student administrative support team to determine the appropriate supports for transgender students. The team consists of the school principal, the student, adults that the student trusts, and individuals the principal determines may have a legitimate interest in the safety and healthy development of the student.

However, schools officials are urged to sometimes reach out parents — but only to ensure school-wide compliance the new “gender identity” rules.

Developing a clear policy explaining how to support transgender students can help communicate the importance the school places on creating a safe, healthy, and nondiscriminatory school climate for all students. Schools can do this by providing educational programs aimed at staff, students, families, and other community members.

Public opinion has shifted rapidly on the issue as voters realize the threat posed by “gender identity” to sexual privacy in bathrooms and to civic rules about the two sexes. For example, Target stores have been hit by a damaging consumer boycott after they imposed a pro-transgender policy that opened single-sex changing rooms to both sexes.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/13/transgender-gender-identity-obama-3868326/



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I have questions.

Legalities.

If John wants to be called Joan, how far can this go?

The legal name is John. Can it be changed in the files? Will Joan be on the diploma? If so, does Joan actually exist? How will that transfer to college and jobs?

It seems there is a need to create an imaginary world for these confused kids. A world that will come screeching to a dead stop at graduation.

How could that POSSIBLY be healthy for the child?

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They really don't care to figure out the legalities. They will make this some protected class meaning the laws don't apply to them and they can do whatever they please.

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Transgenders are not a legally protected class.

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Transgenders are not a legally protected class.


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As for the OP, I don't think this is necessarily new. Parents being excluded.

It's happening more and more often.



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I'm talking about names and identification.



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But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?

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OK, let me make a point. At our school, we have an Gay-Straight Alliance club. It's a public school. Your kid could join it and you would have no knowledge of it. Parents are not informed or notified of what clubs their kids are in.

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Ohfour wrote:

But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?


 Just like you said you were going to kick Hillary's azz...

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But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?


 Just like you said you were going to kick Hillary's azz...

flan


 The offer still stands. I am more than willing to go toe to toe with her. 

Apple's posts were bullschitt.  Mine arent. 



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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:

But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?


 Just like you said you were going to kick Hillary's azz...

flan


 The offer still stands. I am more than willing to go toe to toe with her. 

Apple's posts were bullschitt.  Mine arent. 


 Yeah, Jack does that to a person...

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flan327 wrote:
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But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?


 Just like you said you were going to kick Hillary's azz...

flan


 The offer still stands. I am more than willing to go toe to toe with her. 

Apple's posts were bullschitt.  Mine arent. 


 Yeah, Jack does that to a person...

flan


 You know what Flan?  Throwing crap at someone as you did right there is a typical stereotype of the left these days; you have nothing better to say to defend your position so you throw out some sort of insult that has nothing to do with the point.



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flan327 wrote:
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But, apple said that wasn't true. She said the parents had to sign off. Why should we believe this when apple said otherwise?


 Just like you said you were going to kick Hillary's azz...

flan


 The offer still stands. I am more than willing to go toe to toe with her. 

Apple's posts were bullschitt.  Mine arent. 


 Yeah, Jack does that to a person...

flan


 You know what Flan?  Throwing crap at someone as you did right there is a typical stereotype of the left these days; you have nothing better to say to defend your position so you throw out some sort of insult that has nothing to do with the point.


 I don't know why anyone ever expects any better.  Misery loves company and tries to make it.



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You apparently need to believe that I'm miserable...maybe it's the atmosphere HERE?

Real friends address tough subjects.

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How about we bring up adultery every time flan has a stupid argument? We'd be talking about adultery all day...lol

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No skin off my nose, stalker.

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Flan do you have an opinion about the article?

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No skin off my nose, stalker.

flan 


 So when I talk about you I'm a stalker. When you talk about me that makes you what? Look in the mirror flannie.



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You apparently need to believe that I'm miserable...maybe it's the atmosphere HERE?

Real friends address tough subjects.

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 And yet you've done nothing but throw insults.



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Funny how Obama is sooooo worried about offending the Muslim world, who throw gays off of buildings and stone them. He resoundly criticized those who upset his Muslim buddies. But, yet he isn't concerned about all of his positions on abortion, gay marriage, etc? Interesting.

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You apparently need to believe that I'm miserable...maybe it's the atmosphere HERE?

Real friends address tough subjects.

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 LOL!  Like you ever do that.  You won't answer questions, and most of your posts have NOTHING to do with the subject and everything to do with swiping at people.



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I'm still waiting for Flan to address a tough subject on the other thread.

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You apparently need to believe that I'm miserable...maybe it's the atmosphere HERE?

Real friends address tough subjects.

flan


 LOL!  Like you ever do that.  You won't answer questions, and most of your posts have NOTHING to do with the subject and everything to do with swiping at people.


 If you are so miserable here, then why stay? You seem to like being miserable...



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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

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 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.



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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

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Bwahahahaha...because you're never mean.You really do live in your own flannie land...

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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 People come and go all the time.  Those who storm out in a huff seem to be the ones who can't handle any differences of opinion and can only listen to preaching to the choir.  Most grown ups accept that other people have opinions they don't agree with and/or don't like.  IRL you even deal with people you don't like.  Oh well.



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.



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Well, there are lots of boards where conservatives or republicans or Christians can't be "mean" aka they can't say things that upset the Liberal Applecart. Those boards are heavily moderated. But, the funny thing is, liberals , left wingers, atheists are allowed to say ANYTHING and everything they want and all manner of insults and nastiness to conservatives, right wing Christians, etc. They feel safe there because they know that if  anyone fights back, they will get banned by the mods. So, yeah, if those are the kinds of boards you like then by all means.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Well, there are lots of boards where conservatives or republicans or Christians can't be "mean" aka they can't say things that upset the Liberal Applecart. Those boards are heavily moderated. But, the funny thing is, liberals , left wingers, atheists are allowed to say ANYTHING and everything they want and all manner of insults and nastiness to conservatives, right wing Christians, etc. They feel safe there because they know that if  anyone fights back, they will get banned by the mods. So, yeah, if those are the kinds of boards you like then by all means.



-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Monday 16th of May 2016 07:09:21 AM


 I don't consider saying your opinion or disagreeing to be mean.  I consider going from thread to thread just to poke at people to be mean.  When more of your posts are about poking other people or bitching about other people - you are just being mean.



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Tinydancer wrote:
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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

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flan327 wrote:
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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

flan


 Then there you have it.  A perfect home for you.

The ONLY reason you stay here is that you have people to be nasty to here.  It's clear and obvious. 

Perhaps if you went over there, and try for highest post count there, the traffic would go up.



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I do post over there. I don't need to tell you what other Geeks do as well.

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I do post over there. I don't need to tell you what other Geeks do as well.

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 But I see no reason for you to continue to post here.  You say you can't post your opinion, every question is a trap, you bitch continually about the members of this board and how horrible it is, and all you do if follow people around to poke at them. 

There is no reason to be here except that this board has more freedom to allow you to be horrible to people because we have more of a fundamental belief in freedom of speech. 



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flan327 wrote:
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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

flan


 I can  handle myself.  I don't need someone to hold my hand to deal with anonymous people online.  If you wilt over comments on an anonymous message board, i sersiously don't know how most of those people function in the real world.



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flan327 wrote:
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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

flan


 That is not true.

I've seen it. 

 

 



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

flan


 That is not true.

I've seen it. 

 

 


 Was it directed toward you, during your brief sojourn there?

Or BHLM?

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I have my reasons for staying.

But y'all may want to ask why so many have left.

flan


 Yes, I know.  You can't be mean to the people on the other board.


 Why would I have problems on Richard's board?

And if pointing out nasty posts is "mean," I'm guilty.

flan


 By the way. You can't be mean to liberals on Richards board but you can be as nasty and rude as you want to be to the very few conservatives who do post over there. Besides that board is pretty dead most of the time so how can they argue much.


 Nope. No nastiness is allowed there. Period.

flan


 That is not true.

I've seen it. 

 

 


 Was it directed toward you, during your brief sojourn there?

Or BHLM?

flan


 I have no idea what that means.

But yes, in my lurking, I have seen it.



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I do post over there. I don't need to tell you what other Geeks do as well.

flan


 But I see no reason for you to continue to post here.  You say you can't post your opinion, every question is a trap, you bitch continually about the members of this board and how horrible it is, and all you do if follow people around to poke at them. 

There is no reason to be here except that this board has more freedom to allow you to be horrible to people because we have more of a fundamental belief in freedom of speech. 


 Every question is not a trap. I answer quite a few. You choose to ignore that.

"Freedom of speech..." Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Seriously, if you had named this board: "The Conservative Christian Brigade," it MIGHT be different.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:

I do post over there. I don't need to tell you what other Geeks do as well.

flan


 But I see no reason for you to continue to post here.  You say you can't post your opinion, every question is a trap, you bitch continually about the members of this board and how horrible it is, and all you do if follow people around to poke at them. 

There is no reason to be here except that this board has more freedom to allow you to be horrible to people because we have more of a fundamental belief in freedom of speech. 


 Every question is not a trap. I answer quite a few. You choose to ignore that.

"Freedom of speech..." Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Seriously, if you had named this board: "The Conservative Christian Brigade," it MIGHT be different.

flan


 Everyone is welcome here.  If you can't hold your own - too bad for you.  Stop whining like a baby.



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flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:

I do post over there. I don't need to tell you what other Geeks do as well.

flan


 But I see no reason for you to continue to post here.  You say you can't post your opinion, every question is a trap, you bitch continually about the members of this board and how horrible it is, and all you do if follow people around to poke at them. 

There is no reason to be here except that this board has more freedom to allow you to be horrible to people because we have more of a fundamental belief in freedom of speech. 


 Every question is not a trap. I answer quite a few. You choose to ignore that.

"Freedom of speech..." Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Seriously, if you had named this board: "The Conservative Christian Brigade," it MIGHT be different.

flan


 Everyone is welcome here.  If you can't hold your own - too bad for you.  Stop whining like a baby.


 This. Soooo true and it gets really old.



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You need to spend some time around real infants...

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I'm dying to know if welts feels "welcome" here.

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You need to spend some time around real infants...

flan


 Even real infants don't whine and cry as much as you.



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I'm dying to know if welts feels "welcome" here.

flan


 Because she works so hard at making others feel welcome here and other boards.  Wow.



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I'm dying to know if welts feels "welcome" here.

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 How one "feels" is not my responsibility.  I cannot control how you feel. Thats on you...



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Oh but every one here is mean except for flannie and weltsie...lol. At least THEY really believe that nonsense.

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