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DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am an Italian who has lived most of her life in Italy and has now relocated to the United States. Fortunately, I have easily made many friends and am quite happy here.

When American friends invite me to dinner, unfortunately, they often serve me their idea of Italian spaghetti, thinking kindly that I must be "homesick" for spaghetti. But this is meant very well, and I always enjoy their attempts, and often invite them to my house for more authentic Italian meals, so we are all happy.

My difficulty is the inability of Americans to eat spaghetti. In Italy, spaghetti is eaten very neatly and easily using a dinner fork and no other utensil. Americans are unable to do this, and make a horrid mess trying to help themselves along with an additional soup spoon, or knife, or lots of slurping.

However, I have come to realize that the reason they cannot manage with a fork alone is mainly because they are using the wrong kind of plates. Spaghetti must be served in a shallow, flat-bottomed bowl with a wide rim, and then it is easy to roll the strands around the fork, holding the tines of the fork to the bottom of the side of the bowl.

I have never criticized anyone about table manners, as I am well aware of the many differences between European and American customs! But I would like to help my struggling friends.

I want to invite them to dinner, serve a "primo" of spaghetti in my Italian pasta bowls, and hope that someone will say, "These are the perfect bowls for spaghetti!" And then I will, with a big smile, present each couple with a set of bowls, saying that this is a thank-you gift for their thoughtfulness in making me feel at home here.

But what are these bowls called, in an American dinner set?

GENTLE READER: Unless you can find a company that frankly makes pasta bowls, the nearest equivalent in American china patterns is the large, flat-rimmed soup plate.

But you are in danger of being called names yourself by Americans who claim to have learned the additional use of a soup spoon from their Italian grandmothers.

Mind you, Miss Manners knows that you are perfectly right about Italian manners, which are also correct here. But she has stated this before and encountered such protests.

Apparently something was lost in the generational translation. It is as if Texas grandmothers, speaking of ribs at barbecues, had said that of course one can use the hands -- and their descendants had taken that to mean that meat can always be eaten that way.



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Well, i did not know there were actual Pasta bowls, lol. Now I know. Now, i must have them!

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I have them. I was given them as a gift.

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I have never used anything other than a fork to eat spaghetti. Never.

Don't know of anyone who does.



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http://www.amazon.com/Corelle-Livingware-20-Ounce-Salad-Winter/dp/B0000CFPYA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464092900&sr=8-1&keywords=spaghetti+bowl+corelle

 

Will these work?  I love Correlle and i have frost white.  I keep it simple, lol.



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Well, i did not know there were actual Pasta bowls, lol. Now I know. Now, i must have them!


 You heathen!

I am never coming to dinner at your house...LOL

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I will be making spaghetti and homemade meatballs tonight!

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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I will be making spaghetti and homemade meatballs tonight!


 Ummm...

I'll bring the garlic bread!

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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!



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Ok. I'll wear springy antenna while eating my spaghetti.


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It's about time!

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

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I love pasta bowls.

But lady in the OP - you are in America now. Get over it. You want to see authentic Italian - go to Italy.

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I do remember the first time I was served a spoon with spaghetti - it was in an Italian restaurant. When I asked what the spoon was for, they looked at me like I was an idiot. So, for the longest time, I thought that was the way I was supposed to eat it - twirling the fork in the spoon.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

I love pasta bowls.

But lady in the OP - you are in America now. Get over it. You want to see authentic Italian - go to Italy.


 It's open to interpretation, of course, but it seems like the lady in the OP has her heart in the right place, based mostly on this statement:

And then I will, with a big smile, present each couple with a set of bowls, saying that this is a thank-you gift for their thoughtfulness in making me feel at home here.

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In America we just shovel it in in the quickest way possible lol.

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My DH will use a spoon. I never have. It's useless, IMO. Learn how to eat it with a fork, dammit! Anyway, now I, too, must get pasta bowls. I have the large one for family style servings. DH & I got one when we came home from our honeymoon in Italy.

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Honestly, if I'm having pasta I'd rather have anything BUT spaghetti...Sauce clings to the various shapes better.

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I love everything about this question and answer!!

Pasta bowls are a "nice to have" but not a necessity. It is possible to eat spaghetti with a fork only without pasta bowls. It's like having the right glass for the right type of wine - you can certainly drink it out of whatever you want, but there IS a right way to do it.

No one I know, and no authentic Italian restaurant uses a spoon. If they serve it with a spoon, it's an American restaurant trying to be Italian. It takes more than spaghetti and meatballs to be Italian though.

I honestly didn't know that people didn't know about pasta bowls!! We use ours for stew and all sorts of things.

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I cut up my spaghetti with a knife so it's not long and stringy and messy. Tastes the same with half the mess.

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I do seem to have pasta bowls. From a set of casual china my grandparents kept at the cabin and gave to me before grandpa died. I use them for all sorts of things. I have used them to serve drunken shrimp as well as shrimp, bowties & zucchini in a light tomato broth. I think I'll start using them for spaghetti.

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flan327 wrote:
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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

flan


 My kids learned to eat from a plate like a human. Bowls are for soup, cereal and ice cream. 

 



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Such a silly Italian, tsk tsk tsk.

I want a root beer float now.  biggrin



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FNW wrote:

I do seem to have pasta bowls. From a set of casual china my grandparents kept at the cabin and gave to me before grandpa died. I use them for all sorts of things. I have used them to serve drunken shrimp as well as shrimp, bowties & zucchini in a light tomato broth. I think I'll start using them for spaghetti.


I think I have 12 "pasta" bowls.  But they get used for other things too, not just for pasta.  One set has a grape pattern and one set has an herb pattern.   



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I use them as salad bowls.

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Such a silly Italian, tsk tsk tsk.

I want a root beer float now.  biggrin


 Root beer float does sound good.



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

flan


 My kids learned to eat from a plate like a human. Bowls are for soup, cereal and ice cream. 

 


 And my kids are not human?

When I go to a restaurant & order pasta & it is served in a bowl, should I storm out?

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

flan


 My kids learned to eat from a plate like a human. Bowls are for soup, cereal and ice cream. 

 


 And my kids are not human?

When I go to a restaurant & order pasta & it is served in a bowl, should I storm out?

flan


 I assume your kids are human.

And you can do whatever you want.



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lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

flan


 My kids learned to eat from a plate like a human. Bowls are for soup, cereal and ice cream. 

 


 Lily, seriously - this cracks me up.  Who died and made you the dish police?  Why is a plate more proper than a pasta bowl? 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Pasta bowls?

Meh. Bunch a hooey.


Oh have some fun of Pete sakes!


 Seriously. It's an Italian tradition.

And honestly, for kids, it would be easier to have the side of the bowl to help gather the spaghetti strands.

flan


 My kids learned to eat from a plate like a human. Bowls are for soup, cereal and ice cream. 

 


 Lily, seriously - this cracks me up.  Who died and made you the dish police?  Why is a plate more proper than a pasta bowl? 


 It isnt. It cracks me up, too. 

Go back and read. Gaga and I goofed off a bit and it was over. 

 



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200_s.gifI know a lot of Italians, not one of them owns a set of "pasta bowls".

Its not rocket science, you get a little bit on your fork, twist and then eat.



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200_s.gifI know a lot of Italians, not one of them owns a set of "pasta bowls".

Its not rocket science, you get a little bit on your fork, twist and then eat.


 They must be fake Italians, apple...

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200_s.gifI know a lot of Italians, not one of them owns a set of "pasta bowls".

Its not rocket science, you get a little bit on your fork, twist and then eat.


 They must be fake Italians, apple...

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 Nope, I can guarantee their authenticity. I bet any Italians with "pasta bowls" got them as gifts....biggrin



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??? Pasta is almost always served in bowls such as described in Italian restaurants.

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??? Pasta is almost always served in bowls such as described in Italian restaurants.


 Don't tell Lily that.

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Olive Garden doesn't count.

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Olive Garden doesn't count.


 Ya think?

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Never had it served on anything other than a plate. Anywhere.



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I've never used a spoon to eat spaghetti. I don't have a problem twirling the strands onto my fork using a regular plate. DH has Italian heritage. The first time we had spaghetti, he applauded me for not using a spoon.

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Olive Garden doesn't count.


 It's not authentic Italian but they do serve their pasta in bowls.



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Olive Garden doesn't count.


 It's not authentic Italian but they do serve their pasta in bowls.


 Exactly. :)



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Never had it served on anything other than a plate. Anywhere.


 Actual Italian Restaurants do.  

 

The buffet at Pizza Hut--probably not. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 24th of May 2016 06:14:46 PM

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Never had it served on anything other than a plate. Anywhere.


 Actual Italian Restaurants do.  

 

The buffet at Pizza Hut--probably not. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 24th of May 2016 06:14:46 PM


 Talking about real Italian owned and operated, non chain, restaurants. 

 



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Olive Garden doesn't count.


 It's not authentic Italian but they do serve their pasta in bowls.


 Exactly. :)


 Not always.



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Never had it served on anything other than a plate. Anywhere.


 Actual Italian Restaurants do.  

 

The buffet at Pizza Hut--probably not. 



-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 24th of May 2016 06:14:46 PM


 Talking about real Italian owned and operated, non chain, restaurants. 

 


 You must not have been in very many of those.  I've seen a few that don't use bowls--but by far the minority.  Most I've been in do.  



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Olive Garden doesn't count.


 It's not authentic Italian but they do serve their pasta in bowls.


 Exactly. :)


 Not always.


 What I was agreeing to is that its not authentic to serve pasta in bowls. :)



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We spent 2 weeks in the Italian Alps...not the tourist trap places. Villages...cantinas. Where the red wine is served in a pitcher. Cold. G has an old friend that has lived there most his life.
Pasta was always served in a bowl.

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