TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lindley wrote:

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This makes me sad.

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Me too. 

it sure ruins some good memories and I agree a sad day for all involved

We've talked about it here several times before.

I think part of it was the culture of the times, though.

flan

How is he any more ICK than Bill Clinton? Seriously? Who is still in the public eye and whom Hillary has put forth as the one who will run her economic agenda. Seems some your "Ick" is only reserved for some and not others.

For many of us, he was the ideal "father figure." I remember my dad had his comedy albums & played them over & over.

It's sad.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I just can't get past waiting decades to come forward. And she said he gave her a blue pill - did she take it voluntarily?

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Not only that, she went back to his house numerous times.... 

She chose not to pursue it then.

The prosecutor said their wasn't enough evidence.

She chose to go the civil suit route and accepted a settlement.




This whole thing bothers me.

flan327 wrote:

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We've talked about it here several times before.

I think part of it was the culture of the times, though.

flan

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 I don't think rape should ever be considered part of any "culture".

 

However, after 30 years--it should be too late.  

 

For the most part, while these women were YOUNG, they were legal adults, not some teenager.  If it was truly a rape, or even if they couldn't remember what happened--they should have reported it then.  

How can he even defend himself, now?  Any physical evidence is LONG gone. Other witnesses might even be dead, or their memories clouded by time and the media coverage since then.  How can the memory of the alleged victims even be counted on 100%--or his, for that matter?  

 

I agree that the free love/drugs was a part of the culture. I think it should be too late to bring charges. I understand there is no SOL for murder, but rape? Yes, it's hard to defend yourself. He said/she said. It will be a matter of who is more believable.

Still, it's pretty disgusting, if true. He's no better than Clinton.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I just can't get past waiting decades to come forward. And she said he gave her a blue pill - did she take it voluntarily?

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 This is what I wondered.  

flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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We've talked about it here several times before.

I think part of it was the culture of the times, though.

flan

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 I don't think rape should ever be considered part of any "culture".

 

However, after 30 years--it should be too late.  

 

For the most part, while these women were YOUNG, they were legal adults, not some teenager.  If it was truly a rape, or even if they couldn't remember what happened--they should have reported it then.  

How can he even defend himself, now?  Any physical evidence is LONG gone. Other witnesses might even be dead, or their memories clouded by time and the media coverage since then.  How can the memory of the alleged victims even be counted on 100%--or his, for that matter?  

 

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 I'm sorry, I certainly did NOT mean rape...More the "free love" philosophy & the willingness to experiment with drugs.

flan

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 I agree with Flan, it was the drug culture at the time.  Young girls seeking a step up on their career or wanting to be a groupy hung around celebs to get their drugs free and would do anything willingly.  Not saying that is the case here but the facts and timing are suspect.

I don't give them any credit.

First of all--let's assume this is all TRUE. Waiting 30 years, sometimes more, does NOT earn one a medal. If a few of the first ones had come forward, then maybe at least some of the later ones wouldn't have been victimized.

Second, again if this is all TRUE--the physical evidence is gone. Maybe they'll get him convicted--but I doubt it. It certainly would have been more likely back then.

Third, if he's guilty--he's spent DECADES a free man--free to victimize others. Even if he's committed and sent to prison NOW for the rest of his life, he's old. It won't likely be all that long.

Fourth--in many of the cases, the statute of limitations has run out. Apparently not on this one--but on many.

Fifth, waiting this long, not to mention the fact that some of them took settlements, or boosts to their career casts doubt on their stories.

Again, all of the above are the BAD things that waiting this long has caused IF all this is true. If it's not true--well, then....

Not only that, she went back to his house numerous times....
- Ohfour

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That's a good point as well. If I was assaulted by someone, I'm sure as hell never going to their home in the future after the assault! No way. No how. Nuh uh.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, i do wonder how long someone has to be responsible for past sins? I mean yes, murder, we have no statute of limitations on and rightly so. But, if somoene stole a bicycle off of your porch 40 years ago, should that be tried because now you suddenly remember that? Husker makes good points. And, let's be honest. A lot of these women were happy to trade sex for the perks of hanging around rich Hollywood stars. And, the ones who went back numerous times should be crossed off that list.

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 Unfortunately, that's true as well.

flan

apple wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, i do wonder how long someone has to be responsible for past sins? I mean yes, murder, we have no statute of limitations on and rightly so. But, if somoene stole a bicycle off of your porch 40 years ago, should that be tried because now you suddenly remember that? Husker makes good points. And, let's be honest. A lot of these women were happy to trade sex for the perks of hanging around rich Hollywood stars. And, the ones who went back numerous times should be crossed off that list.

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 Unfortunately, that's true as well.

flan

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 Sure but rape is rape regardless of whether these women put themselves in a vulnerable position. They did not deserve to be drugged and molested.

 

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 But I question whether that is the case when she kept going back.  Would you go back to your rapist's house repeatedly?  Getting drugged up, having sex, and then regretting it is not rape.  

If justice and to get a predator odd the streets were truly the goal--then report it when it happens. Most did not.

Now it looks more like a drive for their 15 minutes is the goal.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, i do wonder how long someone has to be responsible for past sins? I mean yes, murder, we have no statute of limitations on and rightly so. But, if somoene stole a bicycle off of your porch 40 years ago, should that be tried because now you suddenly remember that? Husker makes good points. And, let's be honest. A lot of these women were happy to trade sex for the perks of hanging around rich Hollywood stars. And, the ones who went back numerous times should be crossed off that list.

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 Unfortunately, that's true as well.

flan

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 Sure but rape is rape regardless of whether these women put themselves in a vulnerable position. They did not deserve to be drugged and molested.

 

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 But I question whether that is the case when she kept going back.  Would you go back to your rapist's house repeatedly?  Getting drugged up, having sex, and then regretting it is not rape.  

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 I don't know the specifics of this one case but from what I understand, the parties reached a civil settlement in 2006, but now new evidence has come to light. Lets see the evidence...

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 See, I have trouble with that, too.  She didn't press the prosecution, but filed a civil suit and got money.  I'm quite certain any settlement would include the agreement not to press the case, which she has broken.  

He was married - it sounds like blackmail, and now she's pressing charges after the press has crucified him and broken her agreement.  

She's not exactly a credible witness. 

And if he's acquitted, I hope he sues her to get the money back PLUS damages.  She has stupidly opened herself up to that possibility. 

It sounds like he behaved like a slimeball. But whether or not that equaled rape is questionable.

Maybe he promised them parts or something and didn't follow through. But if they knowingly took the drugs, got physical with him, and didn't say no - that's NOT rape.

Is there no SOL for this?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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So, there is a trial underway. I'm still having a lot of difficulty with is - the victim admits to going to his house multiple times alone and taking drugs before anything sexual occurred. She admits to taking them herself.

Then, after the alleged incident, she continued to stay in touch with him. Phone records show she called him 72 times in the weeks following what she says was a horrible experience and rape.

Who calls and wants to stay in touch with their rapist? As a woman, I just can't wrap my mind around that. Shame and regret don't equal rape.

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 I agree LL.  As I have stated previously, back in the 70's and 80's and probably today, it was the thing to do, hook up with a celeb, get the drugs free that you want and have sex.  He may have perpetuated the situation by seeking this type of situation out but I really don't believe he raped anyone.  Women did take advantage of his celeb status.

This thread made me think husker was back. Then I noticed the date.

If a jury can't see that, they are nuts.
- just Czech

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Many years ago a jury awarded a woman millions of dollars because she put hot coffee between her legs and spilled it on herself. Thus proving that indeed, juries ARE nuts, and have been for a while.


And I agree with Lawyerlady's comment as well. What woman continues to associate with their rapist? I'm not a woman, but I just can't imagine the thought process "He raped me, but I think I'll go see him, alone, again, several times." ??? WTF?

The women he "drugged" willingly took the drugs. Then there was sexual contact. Then in most (if not all) cases the women continued interacting with him as if nothing untoward had happened. If it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk, it's probably a skunk.

Thanks, LL. I was too lazy to look it up. It just seems like an awful long time to bring charges. Sounds more like a jilted lover.

I waffle on the personal responsibility bit. Two drunk-asses having sex and then not remembering or regretting is one thing (and I get pissed when I hear about this in the news) but someone with power-over someone else exploiting someone younger and powerless on a repetitive basis is different.

Also, 30 years ago reporting a sexual abuse/rape/whatever to police - especially when a celebrity was involved - was a very dangerous thing to do. It resulted in shaming, blaming, reputation threats, loss of relationships with friends and family, etc. I can understand that once realizing that it was more acceptable to come forward, more women are coming forward with decades-old reports.