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Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

RE: Zoo Shoots Gorilla After Child Falls In

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Of all the parties involved, the MOTHER was the only one who actually had the ability to change the situation...not the 4-year-old kid, not Harambe, not the zoo officials.

She failed.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, that is true. However, accidents do happen as well. Nobody has a crystal ball. The Zoo did the right thing. That was a terrible situation and they acted in the only way they could act. Which is to value human life over animal life. Sorry some people don't like that but that is the right thing to do. Whether mom was being a negligent parent, that i don't know. If the authorities believe she was , then they can certainly charge her

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

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Here are the parents.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Oh, I had not seen that picture.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

The child looked white to me in the videos. Interesting.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Tuesday 31st of May 2016 07:35:13 AM

huskerbb · Guru

So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.

Not EVEN the same thing, husker, and you know it.

An animal from an endangered species had to be killed because of human failure.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
Those are not the parents. The child was white. There is a FB page based in Cincinnati saying it was a woman named Michelle Gregg who is an administrator at a preschool. She has posted about the incident and they have screen grabs of her posts before she took her page down.

Thanks. I knew about the FB post & that the page had been taken down.

So it was a preschool field trip? (Sorry, I have read a few stories but it's hard getting the facts in this one.)

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Why flame just the mother? My understanding is the father was with then.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
Not EVEN the same thing, husker, and you know it.
An animal from an endangered species had to be killed because of human failure.
flan

So you have all the sympathy in the world for a father that kills his wife and child but none at all for a mother who lost track of her child at the zoo? There is something soooo wrong about that but I'm guessing you don't even get it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Wow!

I've taken my kids to the zoo many times and never "lost" them.

Did you forget that the child TOLD his mother what he wanted to do?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I didn't forget anything. You have sympathy for the wrong people all the time but you are so much better than this mother...lol

sweet tooth · Member

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Why flame just the mother? My understanding is the father was with then.

Mothers, especially younger mothers, are fair game for constant judgement in this crazy American culture. Fathers, not nearly as much. Mothers are always trying so hard to do the right thing, and are frequently second guessing themselves. In the culture we live in, the more you care and the more you try to do right, the harsher the judgement is for you. The opposite is also true; if you are a criminal or a bum who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything, well no one is supposed to judge you, everyone should be "understanding".

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Wow!

I've taken my kids to the zoo many times and never "lost" them.

Did you forget that the child TOLD his mother what he wanted to do?

flan

And unfortunately he did not listen. Again, no child ever has listened to their parents 100% of the time.

Mary and Joseph lost Jesus for petes sakes.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.

I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Not going is always an option too. Leave him with a sitter while everyone else goes. He can't behave so he stays home. Or else everyone stays home. Nothing is a command performance. You don't HAVE to go.
How would she possibly know that beforehand?

This was not predictable. Children don't always do what you tell them to. A hundred things could have gone differently to prevent this outcome--but it is what it is. Once he was in there--they had no choice.
How could the mother possibly KNOW that her child was headstrong and didn't listen to her?
Did you just ask that?
flan
Oh whatever. NO child listens perfectly 100% of the time. That's absurd.

Now, HERE, I agree with Husker. Children are not robots, and they will misbehave and push boundaries.

However, I think the fact that this child managed to do this is a bit over the top.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

sweet tooth wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Why flame just the mother? My understanding is the father was with then.
Mothers, especially younger mothers, are fair game for constant judgement in this crazy American culture. Fathers, not nearly as much. Mothers are always trying so hard to do the right thing, and are frequently second guessing themselves. In the culture we live in, the more you care and the more you try to do right, the harsher the judgement is for you. The opposite is also true; if you are a criminal or a bum who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything, well no one is supposed to judge you, everyone should be "understanding".

Good points and very true

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".

Especially given the difficulty in climbing over all the barriers.

flan

Lindley · Guru

I think before the whole world starts condemning the mother they should wait to get all the facts of what happened first.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lindley wrote:
I think before the whole world starts condemning the mother they should wait to get all the facts of what happened first.

Unfortunately, that may never happen.

The mother's friends will defend her & the zoo will justify the action it had to take.

I did read that the 2 female gorillas in the pen were taken away so they did not have to witness Harambe being shot.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".

Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".
Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.

I'm quoting my earlier post:

The truly infuriating thing is - this is not an easy enclosure to get into, I have been there many times. A tall concrete wall with solid steel bars at an angle plus the moat are there to keep the gorillas safe. There are gradual steps behind angling the other way, so they cannot be used to climb over, and allow crowds to see in easily are there. And usually a volunteer for answering questions is in the area, as it is one of the more popular exhibits. I can't imagine a small child crawling thru easily, someone had to have picked him up and had him standing or sitting on the concrete wall for him to then be able to crawl thru the upper railing.

flan

burns07 · Guru

payday

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Yes, those are delicious candy bars.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".
Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.
I'm quoting my earlier post:
The truly infuriating thing is - this is not an easy enclosure to get into, I have been there many times. A tall concrete wall with solid steel bars at an angle plus the moat are there to keep the gorillas safe. There are gradual steps behind angling the other way, so they cannot be used to climb over, and allow crowds to see in easily are there. And usually a volunteer for answering questions is in the area, as it is one of the more popular exhibits. I can't imagine a small child crawling thru easily, someone had to have picked him up and had him standing or sitting on the concrete wall for him to then be able to crawl thru the upper railing.
flan

So what? It happened.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".
Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.
I'm quoting my earlier post:
The truly infuriating thing is - this is not an easy enclosure to get into, I have been there many times. A tall concrete wall with solid steel bars at an angle plus the moat are there to keep the gorillas safe. There are gradual steps behind angling the other way, so they cannot be used to climb over, and allow crowds to see in easily are there. And usually a volunteer for answering questions is in the area, as it is one of the more popular exhibits. I can't imagine a small child crawling thru easily, someone had to have picked him up and had him standing or sitting on the concrete wall for him to then be able to crawl thru the upper railing.
flan
So what? It happened.

It didn't happen in an instant.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".
Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.
I'm quoting my earlier post:
The truly infuriating thing is - this is not an easy enclosure to get into, I have been there many times. A tall concrete wall with solid steel bars at an angle plus the moat are there to keep the gorillas safe. There are gradual steps behind angling the other way, so they cannot be used to climb over, and allow crowds to see in easily are there. And usually a volunteer for answering questions is in the area, as it is one of the more popular exhibits. I can't imagine a small child crawling thru easily, someone had to have picked him up and had him standing or sitting on the concrete wall for him to then be able to crawl thru the upper railing.
flan
So what? It happened.
It didn't happen in an instant.

Pretty obvious, right?

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

You weren't there so you have no idea. He must have moved quickly or SOMEONE would have stopped him.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
You weren't there so you have no idea. He must have moved quickly or SOMEONE would have stopped him.

And you WERE there?

The boy apparently walked away from his mother, after being told "no you can't play in there", climbed through the fencing, crawled through the bushes, and dropped into the moat (that is about 10 or 15 feet wide, so not "jump across" distance). How he didn't break something is beyond me. The gorillas can get into the moat from their side I believe but there is no way up to the people side. I have seen friends-of-friends recounting of actually being there, including one who saw the boy just as he got through the fencing but couldn't reach him before he scurried through the bushes. This recounting also said that a couple adults, including the mother, made moves to try and get to the boy but other adults stopped them.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
So no one on here ever had their child have an accident that could have been prevented?

What the fvck ever.
I think a small child managing to get into a zoo enclosure is a little different than an "accident".
Whatever. yeah, the kid did it on purpose, but a 4 year old can hardly appreciate the consequences of such an action.

this mom was NOT indifferent as some seem to think. She had other children she was attending to, as well, and it happened in an instant.
I'm quoting my earlier post:
The truly infuriating thing is - this is not an easy enclosure to get into, I have been there many times. A tall concrete wall with solid steel bars at an angle plus the moat are there to keep the gorillas safe. There are gradual steps behind angling the other way, so they cannot be used to climb over, and allow crowds to see in easily are there. And usually a volunteer for answering questions is in the area, as it is one of the more popular exhibits. I can't imagine a small child crawling thru easily, someone had to have picked him up and had him standing or sitting on the concrete wall for him to then be able to crawl thru the upper railing.
flan
So what? It happened.
It didn't happen in an instant.

Yeah, it did. A matter of seconds.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.

Quote me.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Too long ago now. Are you denying you said you had sympathy and could understand why he killed his wife and daughter because his daughter had debilitating migraines? I'm sure others remember so deny all you want.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.
Quote me.
flan

We are discussing the OP.

A zoo. A dead gorilla. A child.

WHERE did I say that the mother should be charged?

flan

burns07 · Guru

have always understood that parents/guardians are liable/responsible for the actions of their minor children--has the world changed ?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

burns07 wrote:

have always understood that parents/guardians are liable/responsible for the actions of their minor children--has the world changed ?

Yes! You didn't get the memo? Nobody is responsible for anything anymore.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

have always understood that parents/guardians are liable/responsible for the actions of their minor children--has the world changed ?

I'm guessing the zoo does not want any more negative publicity.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.
Quote me.
flan
We are discussing the OP.
A zoo. A dead gorilla. A child.
WHERE did I say that the mother should be charged?
flan

You keep saying she should have been able to stop him. So if she should have been able to stop him and didn't you don't think she should be charged? That is some whacked reasoning then.

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

have always understood that parents/guardians are liable/responsible for the actions of their minor children--has the world changed ?

But that changes nothing. At that moment, what other choice did they have if they felt the child's life was threatened?

You can b!tch and moan all you want about who should have done what after the fact, but that changes nothing,

watch your child better? Sure--but again, that doesn't change what happened one iota.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.
Quote me.
flan
We are discussing the OP.
A zoo. A dead gorilla. A child.
WHERE did I say that the mother should be charged?
flan

Then what the fvck do you want here? Just to b!tch and bellyache?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I never said I was there but you keep talking like you were. So other adults stood around and watched yet you think the mother should be charged? Like I said. You have plenty of sympathy for criminals and murderers but a harried mother gets your ire up. You are a hypocrite.
Quote me.
flan
We are discussing the OP.
A zoo. A dead gorilla. A child.
WHERE did I say that the mother should be charged?
flan
Then what the fvck do you want here? Just to b!tch and bellyache?

Right...cuz no one else EVER does that...

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
burns07 wrote:

have always understood that parents/guardians are liable/responsible for the actions of their minor children--has the world changed ?
But that changes nothing. At that moment, what other choice did they have if they felt the child's life was threatened?

You can b!tch and moan all you want about who should have done what after the fact, but that changes nothing,

watch your child better? Sure--but again, that doesn't change what happened one iota.

You sure do sound like Hillary Clinton...

burns07 · Guru

of course it doesn't--would have shot the gorilla myself--am speculating on the probable lawsuit from the parents for the injury/mental trauma ( right ) " suffered " by their little darling

like stated earlier--payday

would rather see the parents bear the costs of obtaining another rare animal to replace the one killed

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Update from the New York Daily News:

Police are investigating a toddler's fall into the gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo — an incident that ended with the gorilla shot dead, authorities said.

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joseph Deters announced the investigation Tuesday.

Following the investigation by the Cincinnati Police Department, police will confer with the prosecutor's office on possible criminal charges, Deters said in a statement.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, listen to the mom on the tape going "mommy's here, mommy' s here". I think i would have sounded a lot more hysterical or i would have been screaming for help or crawling into the enclosure myself.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, listen to the mom on the tape going "mommy's here, mommy' s here". I think i would have sounded a lot more hysterical or i would have been screaming for help or crawling into the enclosure myself.

That has also been brought up...

flan

burns07 · Guru

crawling into the enclosure myself.
_____________________________

you're dealing with a wild animal ( albeit one in a zoo environment )--moving aggressively toward the animal, especially when the animal is in " protect " mode, would probably not end well--am puzzled why tranqs weren't used--that " ten to twenty minutes to take effect " stuff seemed a bit off--have used and seen used non-aerosol tranqs that take effect within a minute or so (sometimes less)--understand the animal is 400lbs or more but there are some nuclear strength CNS depressants available that can readily take down a primate (human or no)in under a minute--guess the zoo didn't have them available

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

of course it doesn't--would have shot the gorilla myself--am speculating on the probable lawsuit from the parents for the injury/mental trauma ( right ) " suffered " by their little darling

like stated earlier--payday

would rather see the parents bear the costs of obtaining another rare animal to replace the one killed

Pay day for who? NO ONE has said anything about even bringing a lawsuit--much less anyone advocating that they win one.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think the experts at the Zoo were the ones who know best whether this is a situation to shoot or tranquilize. Hitting a gorilla with a dart may anger the gorilla. That split second of an angry gorilla could have been lethal. It is easy for everyone to Monday Morning Quarterback. This was a terrible situation. A human life should always take priority over an animal. Period. They did what they had to do to ensure the safety of that child.