TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Widow, 90, could lose home she has lived in for 70 years because neighbors complained

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am not shouting in caps. Neither is anyone else.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

So what you are suggesting is that I should do like some of you do, and ramp up my snark and snottyness with regular type in order to make my point?

apple · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:
GOOD GRAVY WHY DOES EVERY THREAD HAVE TO TURN INTO A DOGGONE FIGHT! CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
You see "fight" whereas I see "discussion". Kind of hard to have a discussion if nobody is actually giving their actual opinions.

I hate it when I agree with you. confuse

cadiver · Senior Member

Cheerios4606 wrote:
More to the story...
wfla.com/2016/05/31/new-details-emerge-in-case-of-90-year-old-widow-battling-code-violations/

That adds some more info.

Also from the Go Fund Me page they are looking for a plumber since when the toilet is flushed it backups into the sink. He also spent about 12 hours a day for 45 days cleaning up the place, probably why in the photos it does not look that bad.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Looks like they are going to have a hearing this month too. Hopefully they will clear the slate and NOT charge the woman hundreds of thousands of dollars.

huskerbb · Guru

cadiver wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:
More to the story...
wfla.com/2016/05/31/new-details-emerge-in-case-of-90-year-old-widow-battling-code-violations/
That adds some more info.

Also from the Go Fund Me page they are looking for a plumber since when the toilet is flushed it backups into the sink. He also spent about 12 hours a day for 45 days cleaning up the place, probably why in the photos it does not look that bad.

I'm sure it was probably worse, but if someone did some cleaning up and repairs, isn't that the goal?

apple · Guru

Perhaps once they get the place cleaned up, she should put it on the market and look for a home that she can maintain and be taken care of properly.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.

It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.

The OP is about an old woman having trouble keeping her house up.

You come in talking about Jesus being a liberal and political polarization.

It's inflammatory.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
Spoiler
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.
The OP is about an old woman having trouble keeping her house up.
You come in talking about Jesus being a liberal and political polarization.
It's inflammatory.

Lily, so far I cannot agree that Apple is breaking any of the TG rules. It's ok to have a difference of opinion about Jesus, as long as nothing horribly offensive is introduced to the conversation. I still believe TG encourages difference of opinion? If anyone strongly disagrees with my statement, we can visit the rules and work it out.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Honeys_Mom wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
Spoiler
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.
The OP is about an old woman having trouble keeping her house up.
You come in talking about Jesus being a liberal and political polarization.
It's inflammatory.

Lily, so far I cannot agree that Apple is breaking any of the TG rules. It's ok to have a difference of opinion about Jesus, as long as nothing horribly offensive is introduced to the conversation. I still believe TG encourages difference of opinion? If anyone strongly disagrees with my statement, we can visit the rules and work it out.

I'm not even thinking about board rules.

I'm trying understand what one has to do with the other.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.
The OP is about an old woman having trouble keeping her house up.
You come in talking about Jesus being a liberal and political polarization.
It's inflammatory.

Read back, you are the one who brought in Christianity. Not I.

Momala · Great cook-happy wife-superb fisherman

Cheerios ~

Thanks for the additional information. That does put a slightly different spin on the OP.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?
I could but I believe this is a rhetorical question.
Perhaps you should read the thread and figure it out yourself.
It looks like an out right attempt to both attack Christians and start a board fight.

I don't believe so. If you want to play victim go ahead.
The OP is about an old woman having trouble keeping her house up.
You come in talking about Jesus being a liberal and political polarization.
It's inflammatory.

Read back, you are the one who brought in Christianity. Not I.

No, I didnt.

This is my first post on this thread.

Looks like a typical, average Florida home.

I bet there is more to this than neighbors.

How can you find out if zoning is trying to be changed or if a business is trying to buy it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You were already talking about Jesus being a liberal when I posted that.

FNW · Guru

Actually, apple said society coming together to help sounded liberal, and I said it sounded Christian. And then it just blew up from there.

apple · Guru

FNW wrote:
Actually, apple said society coming together to help sounded liberal, and I said it sounded Christian. And then it just blew up from there.

Yes, I apologize Lily, it was FNW who brought in Christianity. Not you.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

So this little old lady isn't as innocent as she wants everyone to believe. LOL.

FNW · Guru

Yeah, the lady wasn't even living there for 6 years. So much for trying to evict a woman from her home of 70 years. Another gofundme scam.

apple · Guru

FNW wrote:
Yeah, the lady wasn't even living there for 6 years. So much for trying to evict a woman from her home of 70 years. Another gofundme scam.

confuse jeeeeze! You just can't trust anyone.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

No.
He was/is just.
Sovereign.
Not liberal. Not republican.

I agree to a point. Liberal thinking however, is something that I believe Jesus was, a liberal thinker.

Can you tell me what this has to do with the OP?

Also, let's not forget that Canadian definition of Liberal is very different from the American. American liberals are much more extreme than Canadian Liberals. We're just to polite to be extreme!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Cheerios4606 wrote:
So what you are suggesting is that I should do like some of you do, and ramp up my snark and snottyness with regular type in order to make my point?

Sure. If that works for you, then enjoy!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

apple wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:
GOOD GRAVY WHY DOES EVERY THREAD HAVE TO TURN INTO A DOGGONE FIGHT! CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
You see "fight" whereas I see "discussion". Kind of hard to have a discussion if nobody is actually giving their actual opinions.
I hate it when I agree with you.

We do agree from time to time! We would agree a lot more if you would just really listen to my point, lol.

apple · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
apple wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:
GOOD GRAVY WHY DOES EVERY THREAD HAVE TO TURN INTO A DOGGONE FIGHT! CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
You see "fight" whereas I see "discussion". Kind of hard to have a discussion if nobody is actually giving their actual opinions.
I hate it when I agree with you.
We do agree from time to time! We would agree a lot more if you would just really listen to my point, lol.

confuse Thats crazy talk. biggrin

huskerbb · Guru

apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM

Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.

In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.
In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.

I don't see that Apple is saying anything different from you. I think that when she says "orthodox" it doesn't mean "by means other than via Christ". She means that there are no rituals that must be done in order to go to Christ (a la Orthodox Judaism where one cannot touch light switches - and other things - on a Saturday).

Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).

What you are saying Husker, and what Apple is saying are the same thing. Both are true.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Threads change topic ALL THE TIME. They are...wait for it...conversations.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.
In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.
I don't see that Apple is saying anything different from you. I think that when she says "orthodox" it doesn't mean "by means other than via Christ". She means that there are no rituals that must be done in order to go to Christ (a la Orthodox Judaism where one cannot touch light switches - and other things - on a Saturday).
Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).
What you are saying Husker, and what Apple is saying are the same thing. Both are true.

That's not true either. Christ COMMANDED certain rituals. He commanded his followers to baptize all nations. He commanded them to partake of his body and blood through communion. He commanded them to pray the Lords Prayer.

Never mind the rest of the Bible--those are ALL commanded directly by Christ, himself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

IMO - Jesus defies political labels.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
Actually, I was going to say it sounded Christian.
Same thing, Jesus was a Liberal thinker. His philosophy was based on kindness, compassion, equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance and Peace.

And teaching one to fish rather than give them the fish.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
Actually, I was going to say it sounded Christian.
Same thing, Jesus was a Liberal thinker. His philosophy was based on kindness, compassion, equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance and Peace.
And teaching one to fish rather than give them the fish.

And forgiving them, but telling them to "sin no more".

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
On the contrary.
He said there is only one way to God, and that is through Jesus, Himself.
He said for us to judge ourselves before judging others but He also said to be careful of snares and to separate ourselves from the world.
He taught to pay to the government what is owed to the government and to pay to the church what is owed to the church. But He also taught us to be prepared and to store up in the days of plenty for the days of want.
He taught us to minister to the needy but He also taught us to know when the message isn't being heard and to walk away knowing we tried our best and not worry about it.

FOR THE TIME, his teachings were Liberal.
flan

The liberalism ideal has changed in the past 2016 years. Liberals of yesteryear of conservatives today. Liberals of today are just nonsense that hold on to the reputation of liberalism of yesteryear.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

So I'm "nonsense?"

Thanks ever so much for your wisdom...

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Whoa wait. She lived there for 6 years and is claiming something different? i didn't see that in the article, although as usual I skimmed it. Yeah, go away. She is living off her deceased husband's military pension, accolades to both of them, but did nothing the whole time he was in the military so to earn SS or 401K? Ok 90, no 401K, I get that. I have sympathy for her since she was a military wife through the worst wars, but how could she and why would she buy a house at the age of 84? Does she have children? Something stinks here.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
So I'm "nonsense?"

Thanks ever so much for your wisdom...

flan

Flan I think you are holding on to an ideal of liberalism that no longer exists. Today's liberalism is nonsense. That is why so many liberals are leaving the Dem party. Do you not know that?

burns07 · Guru

apple wrote:

It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.
______________________________________________________________________________________

we have nearly as many folks living here under the lone star ( not including the illegals ) as live in canada entire--am still wondering why we should give the remotest damn what the canadians think of our politics or country

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

burns07 wrote:

apple wrote:

It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.
______________________________________________________________________________________

we have nearly as many folks living here under the lone star ( not including the illegals ) as live in canada entire--am still wondering why we should give the remotest damn what the canadians think of our politics or country
I don't, they let in the 911 terrorists due to their liberal loose ways.

Mary Zombie · Guru

I think she's owned the house for 70 years but lived elsewhere for a 6 year interim.
That's how I interpreted it.

Lindley · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:
Actually, I was going to say it sounded Christian.
Same thing, Jesus was a Liberal thinker. His philosophy was based on kindness, compassion, equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance and Peace.
And teaching one to fish rather than give them the fish.
And forgiving them, but telling them to "sin no more".

Also Jesus didn't leave them in a life of despair but brings them out of their oppression. For example Mary magdalene was a prostitute, Matthew was a tax collector,and ectre....

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.
In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.
I don't see that Apple is saying anything different from you. I think that when she says "orthodox" it doesn't mean "by means other than via Christ". She means that there are no rituals that must be done in order to go to Christ (a la Orthodox Judaism where one cannot touch light switches - and other things - on a Saturday).
Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).
What you are saying Husker, and what Apple is saying are the same thing. Both are true.
That's not true either. Christ COMMANDED certain rituals. He commanded his followers to baptize all nations. He commanded them to partake of his body and blood through communion. He commanded them to pray the Lords Prayer.
Never mind the rest of the Bible--those are ALL commanded directly by Christ, himself.

Those aren't rituals, they are practices. It's not like the Mormons and their special underwear and washing ceremonies and baptizing the dead.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
burns07 wrote:

apple wrote:

It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.
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we have nearly as many folks living here under the lone star ( not including the illegals ) as live in canada entire--am still wondering why we should give the remotest damn what the canadians think of our politics or country
I don't, they let in the 911 terrorists due to their liberal loose ways.

Actually, to get to the US via Canada you have to go through the US border guards. So, you can't blame Canada

huskerbb · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.
In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.
I don't see that Apple is saying anything different from you. I think that when she says "orthodox" it doesn't mean "by means other than via Christ". She means that there are no rituals that must be done in order to go to Christ (a la Orthodox Judaism where one cannot touch light switches - and other things - on a Saturday).
Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).
What you are saying Husker, and what Apple is saying are the same thing. Both are true.
That's not true either. Christ COMMANDED certain rituals. He commanded his followers to baptize all nations. He commanded them to partake of his body and blood through communion. He commanded them to pray the Lords Prayer.
Never mind the rest of the Bible--those are ALL commanded directly by Christ, himself.
Those aren't rituals, they are practices. It's not like the Mormons and their special underwear and washing ceremonies and baptizing the dead.

They are absolutely rituals. The difference between those and the other ones you cite is that they are found in the Bible and commanded by Christ, whereas the Mormon ones are not.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
apple wrote:
It sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. Such is the divisiveness and polarization in your country.

Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
He taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion and life. He REJECTED greed, violence and the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth WITHOUT SOCIAL BALANCE and the personal judging of others.(discrimination).

-- Edited by apple on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 12:59:36 PM
Um, wow, no. You are 100% wrong.
In his own words Jesus said that NO ONE comes to the father but by me. EVERYONE must conform to that in order to be saved.
I don't see that Apple is saying anything different from you. I think that when she says "orthodox" it doesn't mean "by means other than via Christ". She means that there are no rituals that must be done in order to go to Christ (a la Orthodox Judaism where one cannot touch light switches - and other things - on a Saturday).
Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).
What you are saying Husker, and what Apple is saying are the same thing. Both are true.
That's not true either. Christ COMMANDED certain rituals. He commanded his followers to baptize all nations. He commanded them to partake of his body and blood through communion. He commanded them to pray the Lords Prayer.
Never mind the rest of the Bible--those are ALL commanded directly by Christ, himself.
Those aren't rituals, they are practices. It's not like the Mormons and their special underwear and washing ceremonies and baptizing the dead.
They are absolutely rituals. The difference between those and the other ones you cite is that they are found in the Bible and commanded by Christ, whereas the Mormon ones are not.

Judaism follows the bible and has a number of rituals.

huskerbb · Guru

Um, ok. So....what?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

huskerbb wrote:
Um, ok. So....what?

SO ... read back up the thread. The "what" is all through it. confuse

huskerbb · Guru

I never said that Jesus accepted all rituals from every religion.

I said he was absolutely NOT pluralist. He COMMANDED certain rituals. He was NOT "liberal" in any way that you seem to think he was, at least not according to the Bible.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

huskerbb wrote:
I never said that Jesus accepted all rituals from every religion.

I said he was absolutely NOT pluralist. He COMMANDED certain rituals. He was NOT "liberal" in any way that you seem to think he was, at least not according to the Bible.

I repeat:

Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).

huskerbb · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I never said that Jesus accepted all rituals from every religion.

I said he was absolutely NOT pluralist. He COMMANDED certain rituals. He was NOT "liberal" in any way that you seem to think he was, at least not according to the Bible.
I repeat:
Christ DID reject greed, violence and amassing power (think lenders in the temple and Pilate/Roman armies) and discouraged the judgment of others (a la Mary Magdalene and lepers).

But that is NOT REMOTELY all you posted.

Plus, liberals are more in favor of violence than conservatives--by FAR. Look at the BLM movement. Look at all the Trump protests that turn violent.

To say "greed" is a conservative position is simply ignorant. It's a FACT that conservatives give more to charities of all types than liberals.

No president in recent memory has wielded more power than the most liberal one--the one we now have.

You are grossly misquoting the "judgment of others passage"--but to say that is a conservative position is also absurd.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 11:17:04 PM