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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I actually hate when people require that I take my shoes off. A lot of times my pants don't fit properly without my shoes on -- short people problems. They drag on the ground if I don't have on shoes. Also, I feel it implies that the guest is so filthy that you don't want them spoiling your nice things, so they should take off their shoes. We actually stopped going to one person's house here at school because it was a shoeless house and it was such a pain in the behind to remember to wear different shoes, socks, etc when we went there. I don't want to traipse around your house in my bare feet or in my socks. No thanks.

That said, in winter...all bets are off. Take off your boots if they are snowy. However if you are expecting company, you should shovel and make your home accessible without the need to get snowy.

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 If you like, I will crochet you a collection of slippers for your guests!  $15/pair!  (Uh, plus shipping because mailing a bunch of slippers to the USA will be expensive)

Tignanello wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I actually hate when people require that I take my shoes off. A lot of times my pants don't fit properly without my shoes on -- short people problems. They drag on the ground if I don't have on shoes. Also, I feel it implies that the guest is so filthy that you don't want them spoiling your nice things, so they should take off their shoes. We actually stopped going to one person's house here at school because it was a shoeless house and it was such a pain in the behind to remember to wear different shoes, socks, etc when we went there. I don't want to traipse around your house in my bare feet or in my socks. No thanks.

That said, in winter...all bets are off. Take off your boots if they are snowy. However if you are expecting company, you should shovel and make your home accessible without the need to get snowy.

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 If you like, I will crochet you a collection of slippers for your guests!  $15/pair!  (Uh, plus shipping because mailing a bunch of slippers to the USA will be expensive)

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 I hate slippers - but I am sure yours a lovely. I just can't wear them. 

Wow, spent all this time reading this thread. BTW, Brits eat their salad at the beginning of the meal but they often don't have our type of salad. It is typical for them to have "fruit salad". And not the American version. It's basically sliced fruit in a small bowl. Ask me how I know? We served an English menu at our wedding. We served fruit instead of salad and we served it in wine glasses.

My doctor told me not to go shoeless. Even my slippers have prescription insoles. I don't care if people wear shoes or don't wear shoes. I have dogs and they make the rug dirty. We have had weeks of rain and I swiffer wet jet my back foyer twice a day and there's still mud on the floor from the dogs. If you think badly of me for having a dirty foyer then too bad. There's only so much one can do when you're preparing your ark for the next flood.

I have those shoe covers. Haven't used them, but I have them.

Before entering the Mormon Temple in Boise for a tour, the volunteers covered my shoes for me before entering then removed them for me as I exited. The Temple's carpets were pristine white and remained that way.

Repairmen will usually cover their shoes before entering my home. They do so on their own, and it's appreciated.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Wow, spent all this time reading this thread. BTW, Brits eat their salad at the beginning of the meal but they often don't have our type of salad. It is typical for them to have "fruit salad". And not the American version. It's basically sliced fruit in a small bowl. Ask me how I know? We served an English menu at our wedding. We served fruit instead of salad and we served it in wine glasses.

My doctor told me not to go shoeless. Even my slippers have prescription insoles. I don't care if people wear shoes or don't wear shoes. I have dogs and they make the rug dirty. We have had weeks of rain and I swiffer wet jet my back foyer twice a day and there's still mud on the floor from the dogs. If you think badly of me for having a dirty foyer then too bad. There's only so much one can do when you're preparing your ark for the next flood.

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 Interesting - a lot of service styles recommend fruit at the end of the meal rather than the beginning - something about the fermentation of fruit in the stomach causing gases and disrupting the rest of your meal . . . Food for thought!

Interesting - a lot of service styles recommend fruit at the end of the meal rather than the beginning - something about the fermentation of fruit in the stomach causing gases and disrupting the rest of your meal . . . Food for thought! - Tignanello 
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Found this. It's the way our home ec teacher taught us.

SERVICE OF A FORMAL SIX-COURSE DINNER

Although a four-course menu is the minimum number served at a formal dinner, for illustration a six-course menu is presented step-by-step. Each course follows the same sequence of service: presentation of the course, sauce, wine, and water (replenished as needed).

FIRST COURSE, HOT OR COLD

Hot soup. To eliminate the awkwardness of ladling soup from a tureen held by a butler, the soup plate is filled in the kitchen and laid on the service plate. Soup may also be served from a cart that is rolled around the room.

Cold appetizer. A cold course, such as fish, is presented to the guest on a plat­ter. The butler places a plate before the guest who serves himself or herself from the platter.

Wine. In formal dining, wine bottles are opened in the kitchen. The host's glass is filled first and the host tastes the wine for palatability. To avoid spills, the wine bottle is brought to the glass.

Water. Traditionally, water is poured after the first course is served. However, at a multi-course meal that involves extensive service, water goblets are often filled before the guests come to the table. This expedites service, decreases the noise level in the room, reduces the amount of hovering about the guests, and creates a more relaxed atmosphere. Water goblets remain on the table throughout the meal. The water pitcher is brought to the gob­let, and to avoid spills, the goblet is filled no more than three-quarters full. The butler carries a folded napkin in the left hand, or over the left forearm, and uses the napkin to catch drops.

Rolls. Rolls are served dry in a low container lined with a linen doily or a napkin. Guests remove the roll from the container and lay it on the tablecloth. In Europe, rolls are occasionally placed in the fold of napkins or are laid on top of napkins, a method that eliminates the need to pass rolls with the first course. However, because the roll may drop to the floor when the napkin is lifted, the method is used less today.

SECOND COURSE

Immediately after the first course is cleared, the butler slides a fresh plate into place and carries the soiled plate to the kitchen. After all the plates are cleared, the second course is presented on a platter. Wine is poured. If croutons or toast are served with the second course, they are presented, usually by a second butler. Water is replenished.

MAIN COURSE

After the second course is cleared and the dinner plates are in place, the meat platter is presented to the hostess for approval (only in a private residence). To steady the platter, and to insulate his hand from the heat, the butler either covers the palm of his right hand with a napkin folded in a square or a rectangle or wears white cotton gloves. In England years ago, servants wore thumb guards rather than gloves.

To eliminate traffic in the room, the meat platter is filled with a combination of foods, namely a roast, starch, vegetables, and garnish. Vegetables may also be offered separately, one or two bowls at a time. When bowls are carried two at a time, the butler presents the first bowl with the left hand, while holding the second bowl in the right hand, behind his back. After the first bowl is presented, the butler presents the second bowl in the right hand and holds the first bowl behind his back.

After the meat platter has been passed, the butler presents sauces and condiments served in sauceboats or small bowls carried on a salver. Wine is poured. Water is replenished.

SALAD COURSE

At a formal dinner, a prearranged salad is served from a platter, followed by an optional presentation of a cheese tray, toasted crackers, and butter served at room temperature. Because silver is subject to scratches, a wooden cheese board is placed on a silver tray. A separate knife is provided for each type of cheese. The guests cut a slice of cheese and place it on the side of the salad plate. The service of crackers and butter follow. The guests remove a cracker or two, place it on the salad plate, and take a slice of butter. Because the acidic quality of salad dressing competes with wine, a new wine is not introduced with the salad course. Water is replenished.

DESSERT COURSE

To prepare the table for dessert, the butler clears items that do not relate to the dessert course, and the table is crumbed.

The butler then slides a dessert plate before the guest. A finger bowl is pre­sented on the dessert plate or on a fruit plate.

Firm dessert, such as torte, is pre-sliced and served on a platter. Soft dessert, like parfait, is preserved in tall, narrow glasses, brought to the table on a tray, and placed before the guest. The dessert utensils are laid on the dessert plate.

Dessert wine is poured. Water is replenished.

FRUIT COURSE

At a long rectangular table, two to four bowls of fresh fruit flank the centerpiece in positions that alternate with the compotes of glaceed fruit, chocolates, and nuts and smaller floral arrangements.

The fruit plate is laid before the guest, along with a fruit fork and a fruit knife. Guests help themselves to fruit from the fruit bowl. But if the fruit bowl is inaccessible, the butler presents it to the guest. The hostess may also request sliced seasonal fruit passed on a platter. After the fruit course, compotes of candy and nuts are passed.

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Tignanello wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Wow, spent all this time reading this thread. BTW, Brits eat their salad at the beginning of the meal but they often don't have our type of salad. It is typical for them to have "fruit salad". And not the American version. It's basically sliced fruit in a small bowl. Ask me how I know? We served an English menu at our wedding. We served fruit instead of salad and we served it in wine glasses.

My doctor told me not to go shoeless. Even my slippers have prescription insoles. I don't care if people wear shoes or don't wear shoes. I have dogs and they make the rug dirty. We have had weeks of rain and I swiffer wet jet my back foyer twice a day and there's still mud on the floor from the dogs. If you think badly of me for having a dirty foyer then too bad. There's only so much one can do when you're preparing your ark for the next flood.

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 Interesting - a lot of service styles recommend fruit at the end of the meal rather than the beginning - something about the fermentation of fruit in the stomach causing gases and disrupting the rest of your meal . . . Food for thought!

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 I just asked the people who like live there and did what they said.  My BIL got his chef degree there but doesn't live there now.  I'll tell them they are doing it wrong!  

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 Yup  tell them that their years of heritage and tradition is going to waste!  They need to shape up!  :P

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Wow, spent all this time reading this thread. BTW, Brits eat their salad at the beginning of the meal but they often don't have our type of salad. It is typical for them to have "fruit salad". And not the American version. It's basically sliced fruit in a small bowl. Ask me how I know? We served an English menu at our wedding. We served fruit instead of salad and we served it in wine glasses.

My doctor told me not to go shoeless. Even my slippers have prescription insoles. I don't care if people wear shoes or don't wear shoes. I have dogs and they make the rug dirty. We have had weeks of rain and I swiffer wet jet my back foyer twice a day and there's still mud on the floor from the dogs. If you think badly of me for having a dirty foyer then too bad. There's only so much one can do when you're preparing your ark for the next flood.

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 Interesting - a lot of service styles recommend fruit at the end of the meal rather than the beginning - something about the fermentation of fruit in the stomach causing gases and disrupting the rest of your meal . . . Food for thought!

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 I just asked the people who like live there and did what they said.  My BIL got his chef degree there but doesn't live there now.  I'll tell them they are doing it wrong!  

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 Yup  tell them that their years of heritage and tradition is going to waste!  They need to shape up!  :P

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 They're Brits.  I'm sure they'll use their charming Brit words to share their opinion with me!

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 I double-dog dare you.  And then let us know how it goes!  

I know that I would appreciate learning some new swear words!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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I didn't get to read all the responses. Just got home and gotta head out. But, i think that it depends. If you are having a dinner party or something, not sure you should require people to remove shoes. Also, there are people who have foot problems or serious foot odor so that removing shoes is very embarrassing to them.
I mean, yeah if you were out working in the yard, then you don't come tromping in with dirty muddy shoes. On the other hand, if you are just out and about and have clean shoes on then i don't mind that so much .

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 Wash your feet before going into someone's house?  Perhaps the foot odor is the result of spending too much time wearing shoes?

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 Huh?  There are people that might have issues.  As a host i think you are putting someone in an embarrassing position.  Yeah, most people are spending a  lot of time wearing shoes, so not really sure of your point.

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 Like I've said a number of times on this thread.  Slippers.  And what do you think my point is?  Some people have foot odor and some don't.  They need to deal with that.  Often changing your shoes more often and not wearing them frequently is a way to do that.  Deal with the fact that sometimes people have a different perspective than you.  Next I come over I will keep my shoes on.  You'll have footprints everywhere, but at least you won't 'embarass' anyone  

As a host I would rather have "footprints everywhere" than embarrass my guests. Their comfort is what matters and if they don't feel comfortable taking off their shoes, I wouldn't make them. Slipper that all your other guests have worn before don't exactly excite me as a guest either. And how would you possibly get he fit/size right? What if someone has bunions or callouses and their feet can't tolerate certain fits? They should be miserable so you don't get a dirty carpet? How about you vacuum when your guests leave? Problem solved.

There are elderly diabetics that dont want to walk shoeless. Or who have foot problems. I think we can offer some exceptions from time to time.

I grew up in a house that didn't bother to take off shoes. Now I live in a house where we do take off shoes. But honestly I've never had to ask anyone to take their shoes off, when people come over and see the shoes stacked by the door they just do it automatically. I would never make an issue of it though if they didn't, we have a pretty strong vacuum.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Tig you seem to not be seeing the differing perspective. Just saying!

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 Actually, pointing out different alternatives to your argument is the DEFINITION of seeing differing perspectives.  Perhaps you need to consider your inability to tolerate opinions that differ from yours without taking issue?

I have a rug outside the front door.

flan

I hosed off the patio yesterday then the boys came back with their friend wearing muddy shoes and I made them take them off before walking on my patio. Flame away if you want. I washed each boy's shoes so they could wear them after going for a swim.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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You are the one who mentioned " taking issue". Victim much?

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  There is a difference between discussion and disagreement and 'taking issue'.  I point out that you 'take issue' because you get aggressive and insulting when people (like me!) differ from you.  That's not discussion or disagreement.  That is 'taking issue'.  Otherwise known as 'becoming aggressive and insulting'. 

Mellow Momma wrote:

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As a host I would rather have "footprints everywhere" than embarrass my guests. Their comfort is what matters and if they don't feel comfortable taking off their shoes, I wouldn't make them. Slipper that all your other guests have worn before don't exactly excite me as a guest either. And how would you possibly get he fit/size right? What if someone has bunions or callouses and their feet can't tolerate certain fits? They should be miserable so you don't get a dirty carpet? How about you vacuum when your guests leave? Problem solved.

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 Absolutely...

Tignanello wrote:

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Oh - did I mention being a bully? Because you do that too - when someone's perspective disagrees from yours.

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   I am confused.  You are saying i "play the victim" and now calling me a bully all in the same breath.  Make up your mind. 

I also have a basket of shoes by the door but I have never asked or expected anyone to remove their shoes. A few people who've had muddy shoes have taken them off of their own initiative.

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FNW wrote:

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I hosed off the patio yesterday then the boys came back with their friend wearing muddy shoes and I made them take them off before walking on my patio. Flame away if you want. I washed each boy's shoes so they could wear them after going for a swim.

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 Shoes or boots with mud or snow etc is a totally different beast than shoes that have walked on dry pavement or the office all day. 

Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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I didn't get to read all the responses. Just got home and gotta head out. But, i think that it depends. If you are having a dinner party or something, not sure you should require people to remove shoes. Also, there are people who have foot problems or serious foot odor so that removing shoes is very embarrassing to them.
I mean, yeah if you were out working in the yard, then you don't come tromping in with dirty muddy shoes. On the other hand, if you are just out and about and have clean shoes on then i don't mind that so much .

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 Wash your feet before going into someone's house?  Perhaps the foot odor is the result of spending too much time wearing shoes?

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 Huh?  There are people that might have issues.  As a host i think you are putting someone in an embarrassing position.  Yeah, most people are spending a  lot of time wearing shoes, so not really sure of your point.

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 Like I've said a number of times on this thread.  Slippers.  And what do you think my point is?  Some people have foot odor and some don't.  They need to deal with that.  Often changing your shoes more often and not wearing them frequently is a way to do that.  Deal with the fact that sometimes people have a different perspective than you.  Next I come over I will keep my shoes on.  You'll have footprints everywhere, but at least you won't 'embarass' anyone  

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 I'm not sure what Gaga has said any different than anyone else that has offended you.  She even prefaced her comments with "I think".  Is she not allowed to have her own opinion?  Perhaps you should try acknowledging a different perspective like you are constantly telling others to do.  Whether or not she cares if people wear shoes in her house or have foot odor problems is her prerogative.

And MAYBE people actually do have health issues that make them sweat more and have smelly feet.  Maybe they are diabetic and have foot issues.  Maybe they are poor and can't buy new shoes when the ones they have get smelly.  Maybe they work 12 hours a day and can't stop to wash their feet every few hours.  

 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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I didn't get to read all the responses. Just got home and gotta head out. But, i think that it depends. If you are having a dinner party or something, not sure you should require people to remove shoes. Also, there are people who have foot problems or serious foot odor so that removing shoes is very embarrassing to them.
I mean, yeah if you were out working in the yard, then you don't come tromping in with dirty muddy shoes. On the other hand, if you are just out and about and have clean shoes on then i don't mind that so much .

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 Wash your feet before going into someone's house?  Perhaps the foot odor is the result of spending too much time wearing shoes?

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 Huh?  There are people that might have issues.  As a host i think you are putting someone in an embarrassing position.  Yeah, most people are spending a  lot of time wearing shoes, so not really sure of your point.

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 Like I've said a number of times on this thread.  Slippers.  And what do you think my point is?  Some people have foot odor and some don't.  They need to deal with that.  Often changing your shoes more often and not wearing them frequently is a way to do that.  Deal with the fact that sometimes people have a different perspective than you.  Next I come over I will keep my shoes on.  You'll have footprints everywhere, but at least you won't 'embarass' anyone  

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 I'm not sure what Gaga has said any different than anyone else that has offended you.  She even prefaced her comments with "I think".  Is she not allowed to have her own opinion?  Perhaps you should try acknowledging a different perspective like you are constantly telling others to do.  Whether or not she cares if people wear shoes in her house or have foot odor problems is her prerogative.

And MAYBE people actually do have health issues that make them sweat more and have smelly feet.  Maybe they are diabetic and have foot issues.  Maybe they are poor and can't buy new shoes when the ones they have get smelly.  Maybe they work 12 hours a day and can't stop to wash their feet every few hours.  

 

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Right?  We are scolded because we said that we could afford an extra gallon of milk:

 

 How nice that you & husker are well enough off to do that.  Now, let's look at it from the experience of someone who might not have all the advantages that you have.  Oh right - things outside your own frame of reference don't exist.  Forgot for a minute. 

 

Maybe people can't afford another pair of shoes.  Maybe they can't wash their feet more than once a day.  Maybe YOU should be the one to examine things outside your own frame of reference.  Just sayin...

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Who can't wash their feet? Are you living in a third world country where you have to carry water in a container on your head for 5 miles to get it to your home?

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 How often do you stop in the middle of a work day to take a foot washing break?