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Declawing debated among cat owners, advocates

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Are we really going to beat this dead horse again? confuse

My position...and it's the same as our Vet, is: I'd rather see a kitten go to a good home where they chose to declaw, rather that forbid the declaw, and the cat doesn't end up getting adopted.

Declawing a cat is not the devil that some want to make it out to be.

(Don't believe everything you see on TV. Jackson Galaxy is entertaining. But, he's not a Vet.) smile

And, if you pay the extra and find a Vet that does the laser declaw, it's a breeze for the cat.

My two pennies worth. wink

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I'm with the columnist, never ever ever declaw. I wish it was illegal along with docking ears and tails.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

VetteGirl wrote:
I'm with the columnist, never ever ever declaw. I wish it was illegal along with docking ears and tails.

That's not what he said, Vette.

I have had many cats through the past five decades that were declawed by their previous owners. Realistically speaking, they did not seem to mind at all. I remember Ming Toy the Siamese who could climb the drapes like a monkey even though she was declawed, and Fido, my calico cat who could catch mice with his shriveled declawed front paws better than any whole cat could. I have been told that declawed cats bite more than whole cats, but I have been bitten by plenty of whole cats in my time. So my experience with declawed cats is similar to yours — an uneventful situation.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

He said he would never ever declaw, that's what I was referring to

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

VetteGirl wrote:
He said he would never ever declaw, that's what I was referring to

That was his personal opinion.

And, that's fine.

Making it illegal? You must not know much about cats, Vette.

Declawing isn't bad. Especially if you have it done with the laser.

He also said, that cats he adopted, who had already been declawed, did just fine.

Don't try to make declawing, a bad thing.

It's a choice.

It doesn't bother the cat, for more than a day.

If it's the difference between the kitten getting a home.

Or being rejected, because the new owners want to declaw.

I'm on the side of, get that kitten a home! smile

chef · Guru

Declawing a cat is equivalent to amputating your fingers at the first joint. Inhumane and unnatural.

As to whether it bothers the cat or not - They can't talk so we won't really know. All we can go on is their behavior. However, as with any other disability, they will find a way to adapt.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I know plenty FWM thank you :)

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
Declawing a cat is equivalent to amputating your fingers at the first joint. Inhumane and unnatural.

As to whether it bothers the cat or not - They can't talk so we won't really know. All we can go on is their behavior. However, as with any other disability, they will find a way to adapt.

Bull. I've suffered more pain, breaking a nail off low, than my cats ever suffered with the laser declaw.

Declawing a cat, saves thousands. And, gets them into a home.

Hard headed rescues, who refuse to adopt a cat to someone who wants to do a declaw, deprive that cat of a home.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

VetteGirl wrote:
I know plenty FWM thank you :)

You're welcome!

Vette, I trust your judgment, about dogs.

You are the first person, I would ask for advice.

Now, cats. Not so much.

I'll trust my own years of experience.

And, the experience of my Vet.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Keep repeating those things to yourself to help you sleep at night fwm

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

VetteGirl wrote:
Keep repeating those things to yourself to help you sleep at night fwm

I sleep very well, Vette.

We have saved so many orphaned kittens, I've lost track.

Six of them, still live with us.

How many cats do you have, Vette?

Just wondering. confuse

chef · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
Declawing a cat is equivalent to amputating your fingers at the first joint. Inhumane and unnatural.

As to whether it bothers the cat or not - They can't talk so we won't really know. All we can go on is their behavior. However, as with any other disability, they will find a way to adapt.
Bull. I've suffered more pain, breaking a nail off low, than my cats ever suffered with the laser declaw.
Declawing a cat, saves thousands. And, gets them into a home.
Hard headed rescues, who refuse to adopt a cat to someone who wants to do a declaw, deprive that cat of a home.

You can't know that. You're assuming. Animals, in general, are notorious for hiding it when something is wrong or when they're in pain.

I don't believe declawing saves any money. Especially since it costs to declaw in the first place.

It's just not something I believe in and never will. Nor have I ever had a vet that advocated it or even recommended it.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
Declawing a cat is equivalent to amputating your fingers at the first joint. Inhumane and unnatural.

As to whether it bothers the cat or not - They can't talk so we won't really know. All we can go on is their behavior. However, as with any other disability, they will find a way to adapt.
Bull. I've suffered more pain, breaking a nail off low, than my cats ever suffered with the laser declaw.
Declawing a cat, saves thousands. And, gets them into a home.
Hard headed rescues, who refuse to adopt a cat to someone who wants to do a declaw, deprive that cat of a home.
You can't know that. You're assuming. Animals, in general, are notorious for hiding it when something is wrong or when they're in pain.
I don't believe declawing saves any money. Especially since it costs to declaw in the first place.
It's just not something I believe in and never will. Nor have I ever had a vet that advocated it or even recommended it.

And, how many cats have you owned, chef?

Wayne and I are probably coming up on double digits, in the save, and find a home for, an abandoned kitty.

Not to mention, the ones that still live with us.

When we brought our kittens home, after the laser declaw..........they ran like maniacs, around the house.

They didn't show any signs of pain. Or distress.

Our Humane Society, where we adopted Jack and Jazz from, and our Vet practice, feel the same way.

Declaw, if you want to save your home, and kids, from scratches.

The kitty will recover, in a day.

It's not a big deal.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My opinion is, mind your own business.

It's ridiculous how obnoxious most rescue places are.

The only problem I have with declawing is if the cat ever gets out of the house.

I think they need them in the wild.

Is declawing a cat on the same line as debarking a dog?

chef · Guru

It's a big deal in my eyes. It's an unnecessary amputation.

Scratches - Meh. Cats scratch. I'm not going to take away one of their defense mechanisms. Save my home? From what? I wouldn't own a pet if I wanted a pristine home. But, DS destroys far more in a day than any of my pets ever did, lol!

I've owned 7 cats over the course of my life. Only 1 was declawed and she came to us that way.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

lilyofcourse wrote:
My opinion is, mind your own business.

It's ridiculous how obnoxious most rescue places are.

The only problem I have with declawing is if the cat ever gets out of the house.

I think they need them in the wild.

Is declawing a cat on the same line as debarking a dog?

I don't think so, Lily.

I had never heard of debarking a dog, until a couple of years ago.

I don't know of anyone, who ever had it done to their dog.

Debarking, is way worse, than declawing.

(And, if you keep your cat in your own yard, which is the law, in Fort Worth, a cat without front claws is in no danger.) smile

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
It's a big deal in my eyes. It's an unnecessary amputation.

Scratches - Meh. Cats scratch. I'm not going to take away one of their defense mechanisms. Save my home? From what? I wouldn't own a pet if I wanted a pristine home. But, DS destroys far more in a day than any of my pets ever did, lol!

I've owned 7 cats over the course of my life. Only 1 was declawed and she came to us that way.

It makes the difference, in whether or not, a cat will get a home.

Or not.

Declawing, isn't the big deal, that the Press would lead you to believe.

Ours didn't mind it, one bit.

It's a choice.

If you do it. Fine.

If you don't do it, that's fine, too.

Folks who want to make it illegal...ban it...whatever.

They deprive cats of good homes, with their thinking.

JMHO.

chef · Guru

I fail to understand why someone would get a cat and not want to accept the cat as nature intended. I just don't see the point. Likewise, I don't see the point in why someone would get a dog just to debark it.

chef · Guru

A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.

And, that's where you're wrong, chef.

If it comes down to, "Can I adopt this cat, and have it declawed?" So it can live happily in my home, with my small children.

Or, "If I adopt this cat, do you forbid it from being declawed?"

If you forbid the declaw....which isn't a big deal....a lot of cats, will go without homes.

And live in a shelter, for the rest of their lives.

Seriously...is that what you want?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The debarking doesn't stop the dog from barking. But it muffles it.

It basically turns down the volume.

I've had dogs with clipped ears and tails.

It's done really young.

chef · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.
And, that's where you're wrong, chef.
If it comes down to, "Can I adopt this cat, and have it declawed?" So it can live happily in my home, with my small children.
Or, "If I adopt this cat, do you forbid it from being declawed?"
If you forbid the declaw....which isn't a big deal....a lot of cats, will go without homes.
And live in a shelter, for the rest of their lives.
Seriously...is that what you want?

That's still for the human. The human is the one wanting it done, not the cat. The human is the one saying I won't accept a cat how nature made it. The cat isn't wanting to modify the human. The human is the one wanting to modify the cat rather than training it or dealing with a scratch here and there.

The cat would live just as (perhaps even more) happily in your home with its claws intact. Have children? Train them to interact with the cat appropriately. Teach them to learn the warning signs of a cat that's had enough and is about to scratch. Dogs can scratch too. Any animal can. But cats seem to be the only ones subject to declawing.

It's not a big deal to you. It is to me. I'm not a cat person and would probably never own one again but if I ever did, I would not declaw it under some pretense of that being the only way it would be happy in my home. Same as I wouldn't debark a dog, dock its tail, or crop its ears.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Why tell the rescue people what you plan to do? It isn't any of their business.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.
And, that's where you're wrong, chef.
If it comes down to, "Can I adopt this cat, and have it declawed?" So it can live happily in my home, with my small children.
Or, "If I adopt this cat, do you forbid it from being declawed?"
If you forbid the declaw....which isn't a big deal....a lot of cats, will go without homes.
And live in a shelter, for the rest of their lives.
Seriously...is that what you want?
That's still for the human. The human is the one wanting it done, not the cat. The human is the one saying I won't accept a cat how nature made it. The cat isn't wanting to modify the human. The human is the one wanting to modify the cat rather than training it or dealing with a scratch here and there.
The cat would live just as (perhaps even more) happily in your home with its claws intact. Have children? Train them to interact with the cat appropriately. Teach them to learn the warning signs of a cat that's had enough and is about to scratch. Dogs can scratch too. Any animal can. But cats seem to be the only ones subject to declawing.
It's not a big deal to you. It is to me. I'm not a cat person and would probably never own one again but if I ever did, I would not declaw it under some pretense of that being the only way it would be happy in my home. Same as I wouldn't debark a dog, dock its tail, or crop its ears.

And, way to miss the point again, chef.

If you outlaw the declaw......many cats will never be adopted.

They will never know a loving home.

They will either spend their days in a shelter, provided that it's NO KILL.

Or, after a while, they will be put down. cry

The declaw, is not the worst thing that can happen to a cat.

Being condemned to die, because you don't agree with the declaw is sad.

I can say, from years of experience, the declaw doesn't bother the cat.

If you have any compassion for cats, you should think about this.

Our Humane Society, and our Vets, both said, "I'd rather see a declawed cat in a good home, than see a cat/kitten go without a home, because we forbid the declaw."

Declawing, is not the devil.

The cat would rather have a loving home, than not.

JMHO.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is another option. It's called "soft paws". You literally glue rubber nail end caps onto your cat or pet's nails. Then, they can still have the feeling of having nails but they can't tear up your furniture. And, if you decide that you don't want them, then you can just wait till the nails grow out and they will fall off or cut them off. And, yes, you have to pay attention and keep up a bit on them cuz they can fall off but they really work well.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

chef wrote:
A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.

Yeah, it's done for the humans. So what? A pet needs to fit into YOUR lifestyle. And, if a pet is destructive and destroying property, then that pet isn't going to last very long in a home. So, yeah, it's a compromise. And, of course you need to spend time training.

Also, i don't like tail docking or ear cropping. I think it just looks stupid. A dog without a tail looks ridiculous.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is another option. It's called "soft paws". You literally glue rubber nail end caps onto your cat or pet's nails. Then, they can still have the feeling of having nails but they can't tear up your furniture. And, if you decide that you don't want them, then you can just wait till the nails grow out and they will fall off or cut them off. And, yes, you have to pay attention and keep up a bit on them cuz they can fall off but they really work well.

They don't work if you have berber/level loop carpeting in the house.

I know. I tried.

They don't last more than a day. cry

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is another option. It's called "soft paws". You literally glue rubber nail end caps onto your cat or pet's nails. Then, they can still have the feeling of having nails but they can't tear up your furniture. And, if you decide that you don't want them, then you can just wait till the nails grow out and they will fall off or cut them off. And, yes, you have to pay attention and keep up a bit on them cuz they can fall off but they really work well.
They don't work if you have berber/level loop carpeting in the house.
I know. I tried.
They don't last more than a day.

It isn't for everyone. Just saying it's a possible option worth looking in too.

chef · Guru

I'm not missing the point. If you (general) need to modify an animal just to own said animal, perhaps animal ownership isn't something you (general) really need to be doing. Someone who really, truly wants a cat will get one whether the cat has claws or not.

I have plenty of compassion for animals. Hence why I'm against such modifications. I think about it from, in this case, the cat's perspective. I would not want to lose my fingers up to the first digit. Why would I assume the cat would appreciate such a thing happening to them?

It's ludicrous to think that the only way a cat will find a home is if its declawed. There are plenty of people who wouldn't want to declaw the cat. The problem is that there are way more animals (not just cats) that are up for adoption than there are available homes. Not everyone wants a pet or can have a pet. The pet overpopulation is a problem caused by humans. Unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer. But, I will not take responsibility for that. All of my pets, with the exception of my fish, birds, and rodents, were all spayed/neutered. I did my part to control the overpopulation problem. My in-laws are doing their part too for the feral cats in their neighborhood. They currently have 6 kittens from a feral momma needing homes.

I don't care that your opinion is different, FWM. Do what works for you. I simply don't see it your way and I never will. Just like I would not become pro-abortion just because there are kids in the foster system who may never find a home. I understand your point and your position. I simply disagree.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

chef wrote:
I'm not missing the point. If you (general) need to modify an animal just to own said animal, perhaps animal ownership isn't something you (general) really need to be doing. Someone who really, truly wants a cat will get one whether the cat has claws or not.

I have plenty of compassion for animals. Hence why I'm against such modifications. I think about it from, in this case, the cat's perspective. I would not want to lose my fingers up to the first digit. Why would I assume the cat would appreciate such a thing happening to them?

It's ludicrous to think that the only way a cat will find a home is if its declawed. There are plenty of people who wouldn't want to declaw the cat. The problem is that there are way more animals (not just cats) that are up for adoption than there are available homes. Not everyone wants a pet or can have a pet. The pet overpopulation is a problem caused by humans. Unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer. But, I will not take responsibility for that. All of my pets, with the exception of my fish, birds, and rodents, were all spayed/neutered. I did my part to control the overpopulation problem. My in-laws are doing their part too for the feral cats in their neighborhood. They currently have 6 kittens from a feral momma needing homes.

I don't care that your opinion is different, FWM. Do what works for you. I simply don't see it your way and I never will. Just like I would not become pro-abortion just because there are kids in the foster system who may never find a home. I understand your point and your position. I simply disagree.

Removing nails isn't removing their digits or paws. I think that's a bit overly dramatic.

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
chef wrote:
A big reason I object to declawing is that it's done for the human, not for the cat. It's not beneficial to the cat. It's the human's desire to want a cat but not want to deal with the possibility of getting their furniture ripped up. So rather than either not getting a cat or taking the time to train it, humans modify it to suit their wants.

Same with debarking a dog. The bark is there for a reason. If the dog is barking unnecessarily or excessively, train it. Yea, barking can get annoying. Invest the time in your dog to properly train it.

I'm against tail docking and ear cropping too.
Yeah, it's done for the humans. So what? A pet needs to fit into YOUR lifestyle. And, if a pet is destructive and destroying property, then that pet isn't going to last very long in a home. So, yeah, it's a compromise. And, of course you need to spend time training.
Also, i don't like tail docking or ear cropping. I think it just looks stupid. A dog without a tail looks ridiculous.

Absolutely. But, the solution should be buying a pet that already does rather than buying one that you have to modify first.

Same thing with dog breeds. Don't buy an active breed if you have an inactive lifestyle rather than buying an active breed and modifying it to fit your inactive lifestyle.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

chef wrote:
I'm not missing the point. If you (general) need to modify an animal just to own said animal, perhaps animal ownership isn't something you (general) really need to be doing. Someone who really, truly wants a cat will get one whether the cat has claws or not.

I have plenty of compassion for animals. Hence why I'm against such modifications. I think about it from, in this case, the cat's perspective. I would not want to lose my fingers up to the first digit. Why would I assume the cat would appreciate such a thing happening to them?

It's ludicrous to think that the only way a cat will find a home is if its declawed. There are plenty of people who wouldn't want to declaw the cat. The problem is that there are way more animals (not just cats) that are up for adoption than there are available homes. Not everyone wants a pet or can have a pet. The pet overpopulation is a problem caused by humans. Unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer. But, I will not take responsibility for that. All of my pets, with the exception of my fish, birds, and rodents, were all spayed/neutered. I did my part to control the overpopulation problem. My in-laws are doing their part too for the feral cats in their neighborhood. They currently have 6 kittens from a feral momma needing homes.

I don't care that your opinion is different, FWM. Do what works for you. I simply don't see it your way and I never will. Just like I would not become pro-abortion just because there are kids in the foster system who may never find a home. I understand your point and your position. I simply disagree.

And if you, General You, aren't willing to modify an animal, so it will have a happy home....well, maybe I don't understand that either.

We will have to agree to disagree, chef.

I'm all about finding cats, a home.

With or without claws.

I just want these cats to have a home. smile

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
chef wrote:
I'm not missing the point. If you (general) need to modify an animal just to own said animal, perhaps animal ownership isn't something you (general) really need to be doing. Someone who really, truly wants a cat will get one whether the cat has claws or not.

I have plenty of compassion for animals. Hence why I'm against such modifications. I think about it from, in this case, the cat's perspective. I would not want to lose my fingers up to the first digit. Why would I assume the cat would appreciate such a thing happening to them?

It's ludicrous to think that the only way a cat will find a home is if its declawed. There are plenty of people who wouldn't want to declaw the cat. The problem is that there are way more animals (not just cats) that are up for adoption than there are available homes. Not everyone wants a pet or can have a pet. The pet overpopulation is a problem caused by humans. Unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer. But, I will not take responsibility for that. All of my pets, with the exception of my fish, birds, and rodents, were all spayed/neutered. I did my part to control the overpopulation problem. My in-laws are doing their part too for the feral cats in their neighborhood. They currently have 6 kittens from a feral momma needing homes.

I don't care that your opinion is different, FWM. Do what works for you. I simply don't see it your way and I never will. Just like I would not become pro-abortion just because there are kids in the foster system who may never find a home. I understand your point and your position. I simply disagree.
Removing nails isn't removing their digits or paws. I think that's a bit overly dramatic.

From Wikipedia: "Onychectomy, popularly known as declawing, is an operation to remove an animal's claws surgically by means of the amputation of all or part of the distal phalanges, or end bones, of the animal's toes."

Yes, I know Wikipedia isn't a scholarly source. It was the first link on Google so I used it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Personally, i think cutting a dog's tail off is awful. Why? Why remove a dog's tail? For what reason?

chef · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
chef wrote:
I'm not missing the point. If you (general) need to modify an animal just to own said animal, perhaps animal ownership isn't something you (general) really need to be doing. Someone who really, truly wants a cat will get one whether the cat has claws or not.

I have plenty of compassion for animals. Hence why I'm against such modifications. I think about it from, in this case, the cat's perspective. I would not want to lose my fingers up to the first digit. Why would I assume the cat would appreciate such a thing happening to them?

It's ludicrous to think that the only way a cat will find a home is if its declawed. There are plenty of people who wouldn't want to declaw the cat. The problem is that there are way more animals (not just cats) that are up for adoption than there are available homes. Not everyone wants a pet or can have a pet. The pet overpopulation is a problem caused by humans. Unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer. But, I will not take responsibility for that. All of my pets, with the exception of my fish, birds, and rodents, were all spayed/neutered. I did my part to control the overpopulation problem. My in-laws are doing their part too for the feral cats in their neighborhood. They currently have 6 kittens from a feral momma needing homes.

I don't care that your opinion is different, FWM. Do what works for you. I simply don't see it your way and I never will. Just like I would not become pro-abortion just because there are kids in the foster system who may never find a home. I understand your point and your position. I simply disagree.
And if you, General You, aren't willing to modify an animal, so it will have a happy home....well, maybe I don't understand that either.
We will have to agree to disagree, chef.
I'm all about finding cats, a home.
With or without claws.
I just want these cats to have a home.

That's the point though. Why should the animal have to be modified just to have a happy home? Is it not possible to have a happy home and NOT be modified?

I'd love for all animals to have a home. All kids too. And adults. No living being should be homeless.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, what is wrong with a doberman with it's natural ears and tail?

chef · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, what is wrong with a doberman with it's natural ears and tail?

Nothing. I think they look better in their natural state.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So, what is wrong with a doberman with it's natural ears and tail?
Nothing. I think they look better in their natural state.

Because some stupid human decided to do it & the practice caught on.

Cosmetic surgery for dogs...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes. A dog needs a tail. I think that is so sad when a dog is wagging it's behind and there is no tail on the end! And, i love my dog's ears. They are the softest part of her body. I love to stroke her ears when she is sitting with me.

FNW · Guru

My beloved Natalie was at the pound because her breeder didn't think she was "perfect" enough to sell. She turned out to be the perfect dog, and I will never find another like her.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

My vet agrees with yours, FWM. If declawing cats is what it takes for cats to find homes - then it is worth it. Our cats were declawed in the front and they are perfectly fine and happy.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't have a problem with declawing. And, cats need homes. So, what is the big deal? However, there is no value to cropping ears and tails other than some cosmetic fantasy that it looks better.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't have a problem with declawing. And, cats need homes. So, what is the big deal? However, there is no value to cropping ears and tails other than some cosmetic fantasy that it looks better.

I agree with that.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't have a problem with declawing. And, cats need homes. So, what is the big deal? However, there is no value to cropping ears and tails other than some cosmetic fantasy that it looks better.
I agree with that.

Yup!