TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Christians Told To ‘Pray In Silence… Don’t Disturb The Migrants’

apple · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.

Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.
Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.

That is an inappropriate thing to ask.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

apple wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.
Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.

In this case I think the priest is wrong. I understand he is trying to be a good host but his loyalty should be to his parisoners. I doubt they were screaming the rosary at the top of their lungs. And like I posted before, can the immigrants even understand the prayer?

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.
Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.
That is an inappropriate thing to ask.

That is a matter of opinion isn't it? or is that a statement?

The point is that the migrants did not come in demanding this, it was offered.

apple · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
apple wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.
Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.
In this case I think the priest is wrong. I understand he is trying to be a good host but his loyalty should be to his parisoners. I doubt they were screaming the rosary at the top of their lungs. And like I posted before, can the immigrants even understand the prayer?

Again, its a matter of opinion. The church may feel they are being kind to guests. Perhaps the church should be more forthcoming with the details.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
These migrants are guests of the church. If the prayer bothers them then they should go elsewhere for food & shelter. They should understand that when seeking refuge you accept it as given & don't expect your host to conform to your wishes.
Yes but from what I have read. THEY ARE GUESTS and the Priest asked the parishioners to pray or do the rosary, in silence in deference to the guests that they invited into their church.
That is an inappropriate thing to ask.
That is a matter of opinion isn't it? or is that a statement?
The point is that the migrants did not come in demanding this, it was offered.

It's a statement. It is not appropriate to tell parishioners not to pray so as to not disturb others. And what kind of example is that to set? That they will change their worship to God when others move into the church? They should be continuing as usual as an example.

apple · Guru

Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.

Well then, the volume of my prayers would have gone up a few decibels.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.

And again - it was an inappropriate request.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.

I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

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Ilumine · Regular

apple wrote:
If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.

Not when the vocal prayer is IN a church, where the anxious are being housed for free, on the dime of the praying. A church is financially supported by both the international Catholic Church, the National diocese and the regional diocese. But it ALSO financualky, physically and emotionally supported by the local parishioners.

If the parishioners LEAVE the church, thier monies/tithe go to their new church. And then what will happen to the im igrants?

Oh and where is the appreciation of the immigrants In all of this? Where I to have to live in someone else's business or church or home due to some unforeseen emergency, I would bend over backward to make the lives of the people I AM disturbing as pain free as possible, not demand that they give me MORE and MORE.

as to the point of praying out loud or in ones mind, why do the IMMIGRANTS or YOU for that matter, get to demand how someone prays.

While God has said, both in Isaiah and through Jesus, that one does not need to pray out loud if the oral prayer does not match the inside prayer. But if the vovalization of the prayer helps the prayerewith his/her inside prayer, then no none should tell the prayee to remain silent IN THE CHURCH.

it is hypocritical of you, apple to demand separstion of church and state, but then also demand that the church change inside its brick and mortar buildings for others as well.

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.
I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

Exactly. When someone invites you somewhere, you do what you can do to impose. The migrants need to realize that they have been given a gift, and not attaché strings...

Ilumine · Regular

apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.
I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

Then why can't the immigrants who are taking sanctuary in the church not being considerate to the parishioners who call that building home?

GAH! The hypocrisy of this statement!

apple · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.
I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

Then why can't the immigrants who are taking sanctuary in the church not being considerate to the parishioners who call that building home?
GAH! The hypocrisy of this statement!

Did the immigrants ask for this? That is a pretty key point don't you think?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ilumine wrote:
apple wrote:
If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.
Not when the vocal prayer is IN a church, where the anxious are being housed for free, on the dime of the praying. A church is financially supported by both the international Catholic Church, the National diocese and the regional diocese. But it ALSO financualky, physically and emotionally supported by the local parishioners.
If the parishioners LEAVE the church, thier monies/tithe go to their new church. And then what will happen to the im igrants?
Oh and where is the appreciation of the immigrants In all of this? Where I to have to live in someone else's business or church or home due to some unforeseen emergency, I would bend over backward to make the lives of the people I AM disturbing as pain free as possible, not demand that they give me MORE and MORE.
as to the point of praying out loud or in ones mind, why do the IMMIGRANTS or YOU for that matter, get to demand how someone prays.
While God has said, both in Isaiah and through Jesus, that one does not need to pray out loud if the oral prayer does not match the inside prayer. But if the vovalization of the prayer helps the prayerewith his/her inside prayer, then no none should tell the prayee to remain silent IN THE CHURCH.
it is hypocritical of you, apple to demand separstion of church and state, but then also demand that the church change inside its brick and mortar buildings for others as well.

apple · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
apple wrote:
If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.
Not when the vocal prayer is IN a church, where the anxious are being housed for free, on the dime of the praying. A church is financially supported by both the international Catholic Church, the National diocese and the regional diocese. But it ALSO financualky, physically and emotionally supported by the local parishioners.
If the parishioners LEAVE the church, thier monies/tithe go to their new church. And then what will happen to the im igrants?
Oh and where is the appreciation of the immigrants In all of this? Where I to have to live in someone else's business or church or home due to some unforeseen emergency, I would bend over backward to make the lives of the people I AM disturbing as pain free as possible, not demand that they give me MORE and MORE.
as to the point of praying out loud or in ones mind, why do the IMMIGRANTS or YOU for that matter, get to demand how someone prays.
While God has said, both in Isaiah and through Jesus, that one does not need to pray out loud if the oral prayer does not match the inside prayer. But if the vovalization of the prayer helps the prayerewith his/her inside prayer, then no none should tell the prayee to remain silent IN THE CHURCH.
it is hypocritical of you, apple to demand separstion of church and state, but then also demand that the church change inside its brick and mortar buildings for others as well.

One would think that "as a lawyer" you might see this statement as ....problematic.

It is not myself, nor is it the immigrants that requested this, it was the Catholic Charity.

Tinydancer · Guru

apple wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.
I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

Then why can't the immigrants who are taking sanctuary in the church not being considerate to the parishioners who call that building home?
GAH! The hypocrisy of this statement!
Did the immigrants ask for this? That is a pretty key point don't you think?

Not a key point at all. If the church is already providing for them then maybe they should tell the priest they don't mind people praying in their own church.

apple · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Members of Caritas, a Catholic charity that helps facilitate mass migration to Europe, have asked parishioners not to recite the rosary aloud.

It was a Catholic Charity that made the request apparently.
And again - it was an inappropriate request.
I don't feel it was necessarily inappropriate, but then again if you asked me to leave my shoes on while visiting you, I would. Just because I'm considerate that way.

Then why can't the immigrants who are taking sanctuary in the church not being considerate to the parishioners who call that building home?
GAH! The hypocrisy of this statement!
Did the immigrants ask for this? That is a pretty key point don't you think?
Not a key point at all. If the church is already providing for them then maybe they should tell the priest they don't mind people praying in their own church.

I believe you are incorrect in this assumption that it is not a key point. When people are posting remarks as if the immigrants asked for this, they are wrong.

Tinydancer · Guru

You're the one who said it PAINS them to listen to prayers so do you believe they want the praying stopped or not? The key point is it doesn't matter who asked because the request was inappropriate.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The problem is the request by the church to curb the worship of its congregants.

What's next?

Will the messages be changed?

Will invoking the name of Jesus become disturbing?

Will the parishioners be made to refuse their beliefs to accommodate the migrants beliefs?

apple · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
You're the one who said it PAINS them to listen to prayers so do you believe they want the praying stopped or not? The key point is it doesn't matter who asked because the request was inappropriate.

Do you read this stuff before you post it?

Ohfour · Hooker

There needs to be a meeting. The Charity heads and the workers that made the request, the Priest and any other leaders in the church, and a couple of people representing the immigrants. The charity had no right to ask the parishioners not to pray aloud, but ESPECIALLY if the immigrants didn't request that.
This is probably another fine example of people getting upset about something that really doesn't even bother the people they are upset for. It's like telling them they are too stupid to be upset for themselves, so they have to be upset for them.
(much like the Washington Redskins issue)

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Breitbart London has previously reported on churches across Europe where welcoming migrants has taken precedence over Christian worship. In Germany, an evangelical churchstripped out pews, the altar, and pulpit as well as all symbols of Christianity when offering it as a new home for migrants — so as to make them feel “more welcome in their new home”.

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This is the problem.

Remove all signs of Christianity. Of Jesus.

Now tell me that isn't a move of Satan.

apple · Guru

Yes, I read that too, start another thread perhaps?

Yes Satan and Lucifer are at work in Italy and Germany at the moment so I suppose we are all safe here.

That is sarcasm...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No need to start another thread. It's the same OP. The same problem.

And yes, Satan is at work. In every little place he can get into.

This OP, this thread, shows that.

apple · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No need to start another thread. It's the same OP. The same problem.

And yes, Satan is at work. In every little place he can get into.

This OP, this thread, shows that.

uh huh.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The great deceiver. He is called that for a reason.

Tinydancer · Guru

apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You're the one who said it PAINS them to listen to prayers so do you believe they want the praying stopped or not? The key point is it doesn't matter who asked because the request was inappropriate.
Do you read this stuff before you post it?

I guess you're going to pull a flan and not answer the question. I on the other hand WILL answer the question. Yes I do read my posts before I post them. You brought up the part about how listening to prayers might be painful for them. So do you believe the migrants want the parishioners to stop praying or was it all just the idea of the priest? I can't imagine the priest suggesting this unless they were complaining.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
No need to start another thread. It's the same OP. The same problem.

And yes, Satan is at work. In every little place he can get into.

This OP, this thread, shows that.
uh huh.

Every.Single.Thread.

That's how often you see "satan."

Buy a loaf of bread? satan

Ride a roller coaster? satan

No one takes you seriously.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.

I agree.

And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
I agree.
And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."
flan

Oh, like she did that on purpose. Sometimes, when I copy and paste, the font gets all screwy. And I can't post emoticon from my phone. It happens. Give it a rest.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.

What I quoted is from the OP.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
I agree.
And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."
flan
Oh, like she did that on purpose. Sometimes, when I copy and paste, the font gets all screwy. And I can't post emoticon from my phone. It happens. Give it a rest.

She's done it before...on purpose.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
apple wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
No need to start another thread. It's the same OP. The same problem.

And yes, Satan is at work. In every little place he can get into.

This OP, this thread, shows that.
uh huh.
Every.Single.Thread.
That's how often you see "satan."
Buy a loaf of bread? satan
Ride a roller coaster? satan
No one takes you seriously.
flan

Not true.

It's just what grabs your attention.

apple · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You're the one who said it PAINS them to listen to prayers so do you believe they want the praying stopped or not? The key point is it doesn't matter who asked because the request was inappropriate.
Do you read this stuff before you post it?
I guess you're going to pull a flan and not answer the question. I on the other hand WILL answer the question. Yes I do read my posts before I post them. You brought up the part about how listening to prayers might be painful for them. So do you believe the migrants want the parishioners to stop praying or was it all just the idea of the priest? I can't imagine the priest suggesting this unless they were complaining.

Well now you have forced me to be a bit rude, I didn't answer it because it was stupid. IMO

Read back and see what was posted. It was the Catholic Charity that requested for people not to say the rosary out loud.

-- Edited by apple on Tuesday 7th of June 2016 04:44:30 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
I agree.
And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."
flan

I copied it from the OP and just bolded the portion I was responding to.

Perhaps it's easier for you to mock the messenger instead os addressing the content of the message.

Not that I'm surprised.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
apple wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
You're the one who said it PAINS them to listen to prayers so do you believe they want the praying stopped or not? The key point is it doesn't matter who asked because the request was inappropriate.
Do you read this stuff before you post it?
I guess you're going to pull a flan and not answer the question. I on the other hand WILL answer the question. Yes I do read my posts before I post them. You brought up the part about how listening to prayers might be painful for them. So do you believe the migrants want the parishioners to stop praying or was it all just the idea of the priest? I can't imagine the priest suggesting this unless they were complaining.
Well now you have forced me to be a bit rude, I didn't answer it because it was stupid. IMO

You have said the same thing about prayer twice. That perhaps it causes pain.

HOW does hearing a prayer cause pain?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.

It sounds Biblical actually.

Revelations.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.
It sounds Biblical actually.
Revelations.

And, right on time...

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.
It sounds Biblical actually.
Revelations.

I guess I'll have to take your word for it. From what little I know Revelations was about crazy stuff happening.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
I agree.
And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."
flan
I copied it from the OP and just bolded the portion I was responding to.
Perhaps it's easier for you to mock the messenger instead os addressing the content of the message.
Not that I'm surprised.

So I was right. It WAS intentional.

flan

apple · Guru

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If one's VOCAL prayer causes anxiety or hostility in others then doing so silently will avoid the problem and still allow to communicate with the deity.

If, on the other hand, one prays out loud when it could have been done silently and you know it causes pain in another, that act would be unkind. Some say sinful.

This is NOT the official reason, this is me making a suggestion, voicing a thought perhaps.
The fact is the Catholic Charity asked that the rosary prayer be done silently. They did not say EXACTLY why.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.
It sounds Biblical actually.
Revelations.
And, right on time...
flan

Yes. It is pertinent to the discussion.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.

The churches didn't have a choice. The government forced them to...

apple · Guru

A church in Germany which is being used to house migrants has removed pews and the altar to make room for beds but also stripped away all Christian symbols to make the migrants more comfortable.

A German evangelical priest has offered his parish church up to become migrant housing, but will be stripping out most of the fittings to ensure their comfort – including all symbols of Christianity.

Father Joachim Deterding, parish priest of the evangelical Königshardt-Schmachtendorf church in Oberhausen, western Germany offered his church to the city authorities this week, a suggestion they accepted “gladly”,

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
I agree.
And a HUGE font size doesn't make posters go: "ZOMG! She's right."
flan
I copied it from the OP and just bolded the portion I was responding to.
Perhaps it's easier for you to mock the messenger instead os addressing the content of the message.
Not that I'm surprised.
So I was right. It WAS intentional.
flan

Intentionally posted for the purpose of discussion?

Isnt that kind of the point?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Lily I'm not going to quote you because you post is so big but I can't believe any church would willing strip there church of it's pews & altar & all religious items to make immigrants feel welcome. There has got to be something more to that. Whether ordered by the government or they were planning a remodel.
What I quoted is from the OP.

Oh, I just think it makes no sense. I'm not even religious but I can't imagine tearing apart their own church to make the migrants feel welcome. Does that make any sense to you? I mean think about your own congregation.
The churches didn't have a choice. The government forced them to...

That is what I was wondering. It just made no sense to tear apart their own church. Obviously I know nothing about this particular church but some churches in Germany are very old & very beautiful. It would be heartbreaking to have it ruined.