TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Because you assume the worst. Do the refugees speak Italian?

flan

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 What difference does language have to do with prayer?

If the muslims don't understand the language, how do they know someone is saying a prayer? Hum?

flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Because you assume the worst. Do the refugees speak Italian?

flan

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 What difference does language have to do with prayer?

If the muslims don't understand the language, how do they know someone is saying a prayer? Hum?

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 Because it's in a Church?

flan

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 ... lol

Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Because you assume the worst. Do the refugees speak Italian?

flan

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 What difference does language have to do with prayer?

If the muslims don't understand the language, how do they know someone is saying a prayer? Hum?

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 Because it's in a Church?

flan

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Yeah, because no one EVER speaks in a church without praying.  That's just a stupid comment. 

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 Not in a Catholic Church during a service.

flan

Mary Zombie wrote:

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Just logically thinking. A catholic organization wouldn't think of telling people not too pray in their church unless it was brought up to them. Good gravy it wouldn't occur to them otherwise. Nor would it make sense.

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 Logical thinking or assumption?

They could have been trying to be thoughtful, considerate hosts. And they did not ask people not to pray at all. They asked that the rosary not be said out loud.

Mary Zombie wrote:

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I was raised Catholic. That is very unlikely to happen. I have never known any church to ask people to not pray out loud. Except perhaps during church when the priest is talking.

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 I understand that and I also agree but in THIS case there is a factor that we ourselves have not experienced and that is, a large amount of immigrants using the church as well.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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The devil burns when the Word of God is spoken. THAT is why muslims do not want to hear Christians praying in their own churches, the devil within them feels the burn.

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 BINGO!

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 Right, we wouldn't want a fire in the church now would we?

Yes, that is sarcasm....  couldn't help myself.

apple wrote:

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Mary Zombie wrote:

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I was raised Catholic. That is very unlikely to happen. I have never known any church to ask people to not pray out loud. Except perhaps during church when the priest is talking.

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 I understand that and I also agree but in THIS case there is a factor that we ourselves have not experienced and that is, a large amount of immigrants using the church as well.

 

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 And they should be thankful for what they are receiving - not resentful of the religion of people providing for them.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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They are getting food, clothing, shelter. So, they are gonna complained about being "bothered"? Um, no.

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 Again...the refugees did not ask for people to stop praying. The Catholics who owned the church asked for it. The refugees did not. Quit attributing this to the wrong group of people. It's dishonest. 

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 And THAT makes it all the more worse.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Mary Zombie wrote:

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I was raised Catholic. That is very unlikely to happen. I have never known any church to ask people to not pray out loud. Except perhaps during church when the priest is talking.

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 I understand that and I also agree but in THIS case there is a factor that we ourselves have not experienced and that is, a large amount of immigrants using the church as well.

 

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 And they should be thankful for what they are receiving - not resentful of the religion of people providing for them.

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 I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where  they are complaining and being resentful. Do you have a link?

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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Why would they ask unless the refuges were complaining.

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 They might see it as a way of being hospitable, welcoming, of keeping the noise down so others can recuperate. They may have the unique skill of being able to see things from another perspective. Lots of reasons. 

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 I wonder how these muslims are performing their prayers? Do you think the are sitting quietly on their bunks, praying in their minds? 

Or do you think they are rolling out prayer rugs 5 times a day and all collectively praying in unison? 

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Exactly. You do NOT know what the refugees asked. You only THINK they did. Neither of us know for sure either way. 

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My scenario makes more sense.  If it wasn't bothering anyone, why ask? That's just stupid...

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 Well the refugees didnt ask for the other church to take out the pews, they did that willingly. Churches in Europe are trying to be missionaries and minister to the downtrodden. They might just be trying to make the strangers feel welcome in a strange land. 

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 And why would it be necessary to remove any sign of God? What about a cross on a wall makes anyone uncomfortable? 

I get pews, make room for beds.

But anything that is part of the Christian religion on the walls cause discomfort? 

Explain that.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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And, FTR, no one has answered my question.

flan

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 Annoying, isn't it?

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 Nope, just par for the course.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Mary Zombie wrote:

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I was raised Catholic. That is very unlikely to happen. I have never known any church to ask people to not pray out loud. Except perhaps during church when the priest is talking.

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 I understand that and I also agree but in THIS case there is a factor that we ourselves have not experienced and that is, a large amount of immigrants using the church as well.

 

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 And they should be thankful for what they are receiving - not resentful of the religion of people providing for them.

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 I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where  they are complaining and being resentful. Do you have a link?

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 Then people praying in the church should not be an issue.  And yet it is.  

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 And WHO made it an issue? WHO WHO WHO?

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 Excellent question.  But if the Muslims were not in the church, being fed, sheltered and cared for - it wouldn't have been done.  And did any of them defend the parishioners that wanted to pray there and were told no?  Did any of them stand up and say "of course they can pray, don't make them leave"?  Doesn't appear so.  

Furthermore, it makes NO SENSE whatsoever to think the church decided this without prodding.  

And finally, it doesn't really matter.  IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED AT ALL. 

 

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 That is almost comical, you admit it was the church that asked for no praying out loud (during rosary),yet you still find a way to blame the immigrants when you don't have an ounce of proof that they either requested this or that they even KNEW about it.

apple wrote:

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Lily you are getting the two topics mixed up it seems.

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 Two topics? 

No. It's all the same.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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And, FTR, no one has answered my question.

flan

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 Annoying, isn't it?

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 Nope, just par for the course.

flan

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 Perhaps, like me, many others have decided that with your track record of refusing to answer the questions of others, that there is no reason to answer yours.

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 Good luck "teaching me a lesson."

flan

Ilumine wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Because you assume the worst. Do the refugees speak Italian?

flan

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 What difference does language have to do with prayer?

If the muslims don't understand the language, how do they know someone is saying a prayer? Hum?

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 Because it's in a Church?

flan

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 Then it would stand to reason that the Muslims - who ARE REQIRED TO PRAY OUT LOUD, RECITING VER SPECIFIC PRAYERS/BEHAVIORS - would not be shocked or offended when someone prays in said church. 

Again, why is it up to the parishioners to give, but the refugees can't be considerate back? 

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 It's a great question.

I've asked it a time or two. 

No one cares to address it.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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What's dishonest is telling people to not pray in their own churches.

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 Nah, that's entitlement.

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 The refugees are not the ones who asked for people to stop praying. The Catholics did. Are they the entitled ones?

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You do not know that the refugees didn't ask for the Charity to ask to stop the prayers.  I think they did. 

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 Because you assume the worst. Do the refugees speak Italian?

flan

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 What difference does language have to do with prayer?

If the muslims don't understand the language, how do they know someone is saying a prayer? Hum?

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 Because it's in a Church?

flan

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 Then it would stand to reason that the Muslims - who ARE REQIRED TO PRAY OUT LOUD, RECITING VER SPECIFIC PRAYERS/BEHAVIORS - would not be shocked or offended when someone prays in said church. 

Again, why is it up to the parishioners to give, but the refugees can't be considerate back? 

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 It's a great question.

I've asked it a time or two. 

No one cares to address it.

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 Yes, it actually HAS been addressed. We don't know WHY the organization made that request on "behalf" of the immigrants. Period.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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The devil burns when the Word of God is spoken. THAT is why muslims do not want to hear Christians praying in their own churches, the devil within them feels the burn.

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flan

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 Hearing a prayer wouldn't bother them otherwise.

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 Noise might.

That would lead to a question for the atheists here:

Have you ever "burned" when hearing a prayer?

flan

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 May not have a burning feeling.

But more than once I've seen the posts saying atheist are uncomfortable around it, that it violates their rights, and they get really upset around it.

Sooo.... There is that.

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 I've never been bothered, unless I am being FORCED to participate or it's in a secular setting.

flan

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 Says it all, doesn't it?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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Did I mention that the Muslims are required to pray out loud?

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 That is interesting and yet not helpful to the topic. :) 

You see it was the Catholic Charity that asked the Catholics not to pray (the rosary) out loud.

 

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 Oh but it is.

Are the muslims being "asked" to do the same? 

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 Oh good gosh, ask the muslims NOT to pray out loud? The libs would have a fit.

just Czech wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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Did I mention that the Muslims are required to pray out loud?

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 That is interesting and yet not helpful to the topic. :) 

You see it was the Catholic Charity that asked the Catholics not to pray (the rosary) out loud.

 

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 Oh but it is.

Are the muslims being "asked" to do the same? 

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 Oh good gosh, ask the muslims NOT to pray out loud? The libs would have a fit.

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 I know! Right? 

Can't inhibit their ability to pray the way they see fit.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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Did I mention that the Muslims are required to pray out loud?

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 That is interesting and yet not helpful to the topic. :) 

You see it was the Catholic Charity that asked the Catholics not to pray (the rosary) out loud.

 

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 Oh but it is.

Are the muslims being "asked" to do the same? 

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 Oh good gosh, ask the muslims NOT to pray out loud? The libs would have a fit.

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 What do "libs" have to do with this thread? 

In fact the thread's title should be Christians told to "pray in silence" BY Christians. 

I've yet to see any evidence that this isn't the case.

 

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 So the fact the these are muslims have zero to do with it?

Do you believe these muslims aren't unrolling a prayer rug 5 times a day and praying loudly? 

I guess it's ok if the Christian is denied but the Muslim is encouraged. 

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 Its irrelevant how or when the immigrants pray, what is relevant is that the Catholic Church Charity are the ones who ASKED the Catholic Church goers not to pray the rosary out loud.

Is it OKAY? well that is up to you to decide but at least base your opinion on facts.

apple wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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apple wrote:

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Ilumine wrote:

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Did I mention that the Muslims are required to pray out loud?

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 That is interesting and yet not helpful to the topic. :) 

You see it was the Catholic Charity that asked the Catholics not to pray (the rosary) out loud.

 

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 Oh but it is.

Are the muslims being "asked" to do the same? 

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 Oh good gosh, ask the muslims NOT to pray out loud? The libs would have a fit.

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 What do "libs" have to do with this thread? 

In fact the thread's title should be Christians told to "pray in silence" BY Christians. 

I've yet to see any evidence that this isn't the case.

 

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 So the fact the these are muslims have zero to do with it?

Do you believe these muslims aren't unrolling a prayer rug 5 times a day and praying loudly? 

I guess it's ok if the Christian is denied but the Muslim is encouraged. 

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 Its irrelevant how or when the immigrants pray, what is relevant is that the Catholic Church Charity are the ones who ASKED the Catholic Church goers not to pray the rosary out loud.

Is it OKAY? well that is up to you to decide but at least base your opinion on facts.

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 You don't see the hypocrisy of the muslims praying loudly, but not the Christians, do you.