It is an era of violence in the Middle East and North Africa, with nine civil wars now going on in Islamic countries between Pakistan and Nigeria. This is why there are so many refugees fleeing for their lives. Half of the 23 million population of Syria have been forced from their homes, with four million becoming refugees in other countries.
Some 2.6 million Iraqis have been displaced by Islamic State – Isis – offensives in the last year and squat in tents or half-finished buildings. Unnoticed by the outside world, some 1.5 million people have been displaced in South Sudan since fighting there resumed at the end of 2013.
Other parts of the world, notably south-east Asia, have become more peaceful over the last 50 years or so, but in the vast swathe of territory between the Hindu Kush mountains and the western side of the Sahara, religious, ethnic and separatist conflicts are tearing countries apart. Everywhere states are collapsing, weakening or are under attack; and, in many of these places, extreme Sunni Islamist insurgencies are on the rise which use terror against civilians in order to provoke mass flight.
Another feature of these wars is that none of them show any sign of ending, so people cannot go back to their homes. Most Syrian refugees who fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan in 2011 and 2012, believed the war in Syria would soon be over and they could return. It is only in the last couple of years that they have realised that this is not going to happen and they must seek permanent sanctuary elsewhere. The very length of these wars means immense and irreversible destruction of all means of making a living, so refugees, who at first just sought safety, are also driven by economic necessity.
They need to fight for their country. There are more people that ISIS members. They need to take a stand.
They need weapons, training and the intelligence to make a concerted combined effort. So in other words, they need a big strong country to step in and lead them I would guess.
Untrained and unequipped people could actually make the situation worse, they would most likely die hopelessly. Only well trained well-equipped soldiers could engage in the fight. Civilians fighting is how the wars started in the first place. It all seems so hopeless I suppose, many of these immigrants are hard working regular citizens some are professionals in many fields, not soldiers.
They need to fight for their country. There are more people that ISIS members. They need to take a stand.
They need weapons, training and the intelligence to make a concerted combined effort. So in other words, they need a big strong country to step in and lead them I would guess.
That was tried. They would rather mooch of other countries than defend their own. And, hey, they are getting a great deal! If they want to stay somewhere, they should have to go through military training with a path to go back to their home country and fight for it. They shouldn't get a free ride. They need to grow a pair.
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And this situation is the leading example of why our second amendment rights habe to be upheld at all costs; to defend against a tyrant government or group.
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If you go fight for your country, will your country take care of your wife and kids? No? Well then.
If you have any personal experience in war time countries, you'll see that once the social structure breaks down, and you are the man of the family, you are pretty much the only chance of survival for your aging parents, your wife, and your kids. Especially in Muslim countries where most women don't / can't work. If you leave to join the army, your wife and kids will be begging in the street, be killed by random snipers, be raped and sold if they fall in the wrong hands.
The ones who go to fight are either unmarried young men with some kind of ideological pursuit, or people with strong vested interest. For example, if you are an officer in the Syrian army, if you die in battle, the government will pay your family a pension. If you don't fight, the rebels will surely massacre you and your family. Then you fight.
The last group are people who already lost their family in the war. They fight because they hate the other side.
With any given country, the ones who have a reason to fight will be in the minority. The majority will be the ones with family obligations and they'd rather take their family to some place safe.
If you remember WWII, and how every single country implemented more and more stringent conscription, you'll see that it's actually NOT human nature to stay and fight. It's human nature to run, unless they are backed into a corner. You don't need conscription if even 5% of the population would volunteer in WWII.
The other thing you have to realize is that it's a CIVIL WAR now in Syria, Iraq, and Libya. Defensive wars against foreign armies will often make the people come together, but civil wars just tear the people apart. There will be a lot of people with friends and relatives on both sides, and they would rather get out than having to shoot each other!
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I found this on a blog I was reading. It is hard to understand exactly what goes on in this type of "war".
So, telling them to "go home" isn't really an option for these people.
What can be done?
You can arm them and tell them to fight for their country. HALF the country is fleeing?
With their lack of training and skill with warfare, I'm fairly certain that any guns given to them would quickly fall into the hands of the very people they are supposed to be fighting. No?
So, telling them to "go home" isn't really an option for these people.
What can be done?
You can arm them and tell them to fight for their country. HALF the country is fleeing?
With their lack of training and skill with warfare, I'm fairly certain that any guns given to them would quickly fall into the hands of the very people they are supposed to be fighting. No?
See, if those countries had the 2nd amendment, they would already be armed and know how to use weapons.
But you think all the kids that fought in our revolutions and civil wars had loads of training?
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
But we learned how to fight and took control of our own country way back when. If we could do that why should other countries not be responsible for themselves in that regard?
So, telling them to "go home" isn't really an option for these people.
What can be done?
You can arm them and tell them to fight for their country. HALF the country is fleeing?
With their lack of training and skill with warfare, I'm fairly certain that any guns given to them would quickly fall into the hands of the very people they are supposed to be fighting. No?
See, if those countries had the 2nd amendment, they would already be armed and know how to use weapons.
But you think all the kids that fought in our revolutions and civil wars had loads of training?
ISIS is not a street gang hanging out on the corner waiting to be confronted, they are very slick at what they do and its obviously not easy to take them down.
I was thinking perhaps an interim solution would be to set up SAFE ZONES in those countries, the UN could possibly protect these areas?
So, telling them to "go home" isn't really an option for these people.
What can be done?
You can arm them and tell them to fight for their country. HALF the country is fleeing?
With their lack of training and skill with warfare, I'm fairly certain that any guns given to them would quickly fall into the hands of the very people they are supposed to be fighting. No?
See, if those countries had the 2nd amendment, they would already be armed and know how to use weapons.
But you think all the kids that fought in our revolutions and civil wars had loads of training?
This. My grandfather lied about his birthdate and joined the Navy when he was 16. Two days later, they sent him to Germany.
And the Civil War? Well, a LOT of them were just kids too. Kids with NO military training at all. Yet they fought. If people do not care enough about their own country, what makes anyone think they would care about yours?
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But we learned how to fight and took control of our own country way back when. If we could do that why should other countries not be responsible for themselves in that regard?
Way back when, it was not so complicated or sophisticated. ISIS is an army over two countries, Iraq and Syria, Even with USA and Kurdish assistance it took a long time and great effort to take back Ramadi.
But we learned how to fight and took control of our own country way back when. If we could do that why should other countries not be responsible for themselves in that regard?
Way back when, it was not so complicated or sophisticated. ISIS is an army over two countries, Iraq and Syria, Even with USA and Kurdish assistance it took a long time and great effort to take back Ramadi.
And UNARMED citizens can't fight that.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Another issue is who to fight for? In Syria, the choice is between fighting for the Assad government, for ISIS or for a mixed bag of rebels dominated by extreme Islamists hostile to both ISIS and Assad. The small pro-Western opposition has no chance of winning. It is not at all like the USA civil war or any war before it.
You don't think other citizens can figure it out too if ISIS did? How did we? How did farmers and lay folk arm themselves and learn to fight for their country? I'm just saying its not impossible.
It's the "they are too stupid to help themselves so we have to help them" attitude. They do not realize how condescending and racist it is.
Saying they are unarmed and untrained is not saying they are too stupid.
You are assuming they can't learn without some big brother to teach them.
Well first they need weapons, yes they will need 'big brother" for that and second they really, really need some training otherwise it would just be a blood bath.
Do you not have any comment on my suggestion of an UN safe zone in their own country? I thought it at least worthy of discussion.
Isis didn't always know how to fight. They were taught or learned somehow.
Who taught them? and who supplied them with weapons of war?
A lot of them - they stole. Ambition finds a way.
yea...thats not really an answer.
Who trained them and who supplied them with weapons of war?
They trained themselves and each other. They found a way. And yes, "they stole them" is a valid answer. They interrupted supply lines, they got them from other rebels, they also bought them off the black market. You know - the way criminals get guns.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It's the "they are too stupid to help themselves so we have to help them" attitude. They do not realize how condescending and racist it is.
Saying they are unarmed and untrained is not saying they are too stupid.
You are assuming they can't learn without some big brother to teach them.
Well first they need weapons, yes they will need 'big brother" for that and second they really, really need some training otherwise it would just be a blood bath.
Do you not have any comment on my suggestion of an UN safe zone in their own country? I thought it at least worthy of discussion.
I think that sounds like an excellent idea if it is paired with training so they can eventually defend themselves. We are not the world's babysitter.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Isis didn't always know how to fight. They were taught or learned somehow.
Who taught them? and who supplied them with weapons of war?
A lot of them - they stole. Ambition finds a way.
yea...thats not really an answer.
Who trained them and who supplied them with weapons of war?
They trained themselves and each other. They found a way. And yes, "they stole them" is a valid answer. They interrupted supply lines, they got them from other rebels, they also bought them off the black market. You know - the way criminals get guns.
Do a little digging. You might be surprised by who trained and armed ISIS for the most part.
It's the "they are too stupid to help themselves so we have to help them" attitude. They do not realize how condescending and racist it is.
I agree. And back in the revolutionary war there was no expectation that anyone was going to rescue or teach us to defend ourselves. The will for survival kicks in. Or it should
Isis didn't always know how to fight. They were taught or learned somehow.
Who taught them? and who supplied them with weapons of war?
A lot of them - they stole. Ambition finds a way.
yea...thats not really an answer.
Who trained them and who supplied them with weapons of war?
They trained themselves and each other. They found a way. And yes, "they stole them" is a valid answer. They interrupted supply lines, they got them from other rebels, they also bought them off the black market. You know - the way criminals get guns.
Do a little digging. You might be surprised by who trained and armed ISIS for the most part.
No, I really wouldn't. Our government is responsible for the Fast and Furious nonsense - governments are stupid.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Isis didn't always know how to fight. They were taught or learned somehow.
Who taught them? and who supplied them with weapons of war?
A lot of them - they stole. Ambition finds a way.
yea...thats not really an answer.
Who trained them and who supplied them with weapons of war?
They trained themselves and each other. They found a way. And yes, "they stole them" is a valid answer. They interrupted supply lines, they got them from other rebels, they also bought them off the black market. You know - the way criminals get guns.
Do a little digging. You might be surprised by who trained and armed ISIS for the most part.
I know who trained them...I know where they got their weapons...
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