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Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Appeals Court Upholds ‘Concealed Carry’ Restrictions

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Too many people "think" with their emotions.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
WHY is that so hard to comprehend, ohfour? And in countries like China where only the government has guns, they just kill with knives.

And Cain killed Abel...which proves nothing.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

It makes them feel better than you because they don't like guns.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WHY is that so hard to comprehend, ohfour? And in countries like China where only the government has guns, they just kill with knives.
And Cain killed Abel...which proves nothing.
flan

Sure it does. People kill by whatever means available. You know what school shooters would do without guns? They would build bombs.

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
You seem to be having comprehension issues today apple...
Not really I'm just a bit confused, or befuddled, by the absolute denial of a certain word.
Perhaps I'll have to just live with it, seeing as nobody wants to enlighten me.
Perhaps you should just stop trying to assume what other people think or feel.
I am not assuming, I'm trying to apply logic to an illogical debate.

The basis for your logic is flawed.
No it is not flawed, it is quite logical.
Why do gun sales go up markedly after mass shootings?
Fears of crime, mass shootings, social collapse....people buy guns for these reasons yet refuse to acknowledge it. Why?

Not fear, preparedness.

Prepared for being attacked is a result of being fearful of an attack.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WHY is that so hard to comprehend, ohfour? And in countries like China where only the government has guns, they just kill with knives.
And Cain killed Abel...which proves nothing.
flan
Sure it does. People kill by whatever means available. You know what school shooters would do without guns? They would build bombs.

That may or may not work.

GUNS are quick & efficient killing machines.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WHY is that so hard to comprehend, ohfour? And in countries like China where only the government has guns, they just kill with knives.
And Cain killed Abel...which proves nothing.
flan
Sure it does. People kill by whatever means available. You know what school shooters would do without guns? They would build bombs.
That may or may not work.
GUNS are quick & efficient killing machines.
flan

That's your defense? A bomb may not work? Well, a gun might jam or run out of bullets. hmm

Of course, planes have proven to be incredibly efficient weapons - should we ban those, too?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.

It doesn't matter. They'll likely accuse you of the same thing.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.

Sometimes I feel like I've wandered into The Twilight Zone.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.

Well, you know me! wink

But not just for concealed carry. We have many different types of guns. Shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers.

We like to shoot...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.
Well, you know me!
But not just for concealed carry. We have many different types of guns. Shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers.
We like to shoot...

I like to shoot too.

I don't feel it necessary to have a gun with me at all times for protection though. Perhaps that is quite simply the difference here.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.

Our local mall has had so much crime and so many attacks, the police department rented out space there and put a precinct in.

Why do you think guns are only to protect against random violence?

Once you've been a victim of a violent crime, that blase attitude about it changes. I'm happy you've never experienced it and hope you never do.

And it's amazing how that definition of "rare" changes. There are more instances of assault in a year than there are transgenders in this country.

And being a woman? The amount of crimes committed against women and girls is staggering. Up to 800,000 people are sex trafficked each year with 80% being women and children.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

For the record, I don't carry. I don't have a permit.

I use to. Without a permit, from time to time. When I knew I might be doing a drop.

Or if we were camping.

But we took guns out in the corn fields and such. Because we might come across a snake or get lost.

apple · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.

I've tried to understand but I can't seem to get a straight answer. confuse

Ohfour · Hooker

apple wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.
I've tried to understand but I can't seem to get a straight answer.

I like guns. I like to shoot. I like to clean them.

I really do not know what is so hard about that to understand...

I have a lot of things people don't desire to have. Not sure why you think that is so wrong...

apple · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.
I've tried to understand but I can't seem to get a straight answer.
I like guns. I like to shoot. I like to clean them.
I really do not know what is so hard about that to understand...
I have a lot of things people don't desire to have. Not sure why you think that is so wrong...

That is nice, thanks for sharing. I never said it was wrong for you to have a gun, I have guns. All I was asking is why youd want to carry a gun, the most prevalent answer was for protection. But NOT because anyone is fearful of anything. lol

Ohfour · Hooker

“A state trooper stopped a 95-year-old woman on Interstate 20 and noticed as he was checking her drivers license that she had a concealed carry permit,” the text reads. “He said, ‘Got any guns with you ma’am?’ She said, ‘Yes, a .45 Smith & Wesson in the glove compartment, a .357 magnum in the console and a .38 special in my purse.’ The trooper said, ‘Lady, what are you scared of?’ She said, ‘Not a damn thing!'”

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I want to add I don't want to take away your right to own a gun. I just don't understand your desire to.
I've tried to understand but I can't seem to get a straight answer.
I like guns. I like to shoot. I like to clean them.
I really do not know what is so hard about that to understand...
I have a lot of things people don't desire to have. Not sure why you think that is so wrong...
That is nice, thanks for sharing. I never said it was wrong for you to have a gun, I have guns. All I was asking is why youd want to carry a gun, the most prevalent answer was for protection. But NOT because anyone is fearful of anything. lol

So, that is being fearful? Is going to the doctor for a checkup being fearful? Is common sense fearful? Is it fearful to not step in front of a moving train? You really don't get it.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't know anyone that owns a gun for concealed carry. My dad owns a few but they are rifles or antiques. Nothing for "everyday". I don't know anyone who has ever been attacked in a mall or at home. My home has never been broken into - in any of the places I have lived. My car was broken into a few time but that's really not that big of a deal. I just don't have a need for a gun and I also don't understand people who feel the need to carry one. I am not sure what they are so paranoid about. Random vilolence is actually pretty rare - regardless of what the 24 hour news cycle will have you believe.
Our local mall has had so much crime and so many attacks, the police department rented out space there and put a precinct in.
Why do you think guns are only to protect against random violence?
Once you've been a victim of a violent crime, that blase attitude about it changes. I'm happy you've never experienced it and hope you never do.

And it's amazing how that definition of "rare" changes. There are more instances of assault in a year than there are transgenders in this country.
And being a woman? The amount of crimes committed against women and girls is staggering. Up to 800,000 people are sex trafficked each year with 80% being women and children.

If guns aren't to protect against random acts of violence what are they to protect you from?!?! You actually have a greater chance of being attacked, hurt, or killed by domestic abuse or by someone you know and love than by a stranger.

I don't know a single person who has been the victim of a random criminal act of violence. Bar fight? Yep. That isn't a random act. Domestic assault? Yep. Not a random act though. I don't go to bars and I don't have an abusive partner. So my chances of being the victim of an act of violence is pretty darn low.

Yes, 80% of people who are trafficked are women. But 80% of women are not trafficked.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

And that 800,000 women number you gave...that's in the whole world across international borders. There are 157 million women in the US alone. 800,000 in the world trafficked across international borders. The chances are pretty rare that it will happen to you.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Even if that 800,000 figure were US women being trafficked...that's a .005% chance. You want to justify carrying a loaded weapon every day because you are worried about something that has a .005% chance of happening?! The chances of a plane falling out of the sky on top of your home are greater than that. The chances of getting into an automobile accident is FAR greater than that, but you still drive and don't take the reasonable precaution of not driving in order to avoid it. There are 10 auto related deaths for every 100,000 people. Better give up your car!!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Less than that gets a choice of bathroom and you support that.

burns07 · Guru

believe the desire to carry is actually grounded in a desire to avoid having to go hand to hand with an assailant/assailants (be they armed or not)--also, depending on what you carry, you can stop a vehicle/vehicles should they be used in an attempt to harm you--carrying gives you options other than bare knuckles/feet in a potentially violent situation

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Less than that gets a choice of bathroom and you support that.

Death by urine?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

believe the desire to carry is actually grounded in a desire to avoid having to go hand to hand with an assailant/assailants (be they armed or not)--also, depending on what you carry, you can stop a vehicle/vehicles should they be used in an attempt to harm you--carrying gives you options other than bare knuckles/feet in a potentially violent situation

So you need a tank? Or just a missile?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Even if that 800,000 figure were US women being trafficked...that's a .005% chance. You want to justify carrying a loaded weapon every day because you are worried about something that has a .005% chance of happening?! The chances of a plane falling out of the sky on top of your home are greater than that. The chances of getting into an automobile accident is FAR greater than that, but you still drive and don't take the reasonable precaution of not driving in order to avoid it. There are 10 auto related deaths for every 100,000 people. Better give up your car!!

I don't have to justify carrying a loaded weapon - it's my right. But violent crime is NOT rare. That's absurd.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I've had my apartment/house broken into twice (we were not home either time).

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some of you also seem to be missing a big point that the founding fathers considered. They wanted an armed population to make it more difficult for a tyrannical govt to control them. Hello.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Even if that 800,000 figure were US women being trafficked...that's a .005% chance. You want to justify carrying a loaded weapon every day because you are worried about something that has a .005% chance of happening?! The chances of a plane falling out of the sky on top of your home are greater than that. The chances of getting into an automobile accident is FAR greater than that, but you still drive and don't take the reasonable precaution of not driving in order to avoid it. There are 10 auto related deaths for every 100,000 people. Better give up your car!!
I don't have to justify carrying a loaded weapon - it's my right. But violent crime is NOT rare. That's absurd.

It is more rare than a car accident.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She doesn't have to justify it you or anyone. Neither do i. It is our right. Maybe we think our guns are pretty. That is reason enough.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

But, ok, let's play. So, on the RARE occasion that i might get assualted, attacked or raped, do i have the right to defend myself with lethal force aka a gun? Yes or no? If yes, then it certainly means that i need to actually have that gun with me does it not?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some of you also seem to be missing a big point that the founding fathers considered. They wanted an armed population to make it more difficult for a tyrannical govt to control them. Hello.

That WAS a concern hundreds of years ago. The colonies had JUST fought a revolution and were not yet established as a force to be reckoned with.

I bring up the "militia" part of the Second Amendment on nearly every "gotta have guns" thread, but for the opposite reason. It no longer applies. Hello.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some of you also seem to be missing a big point that the founding fathers considered. They wanted an armed population to make it more difficult for a tyrannical govt to control them. Hello.
That WAS a concern hundreds of years ago. The colonies had JUST fought a revolution and were not yet established as a force to be reckoned with.
I bring up the "militia" part of the Second Amendment on nearly every "gotta have guns" thread, but for the opposite reason. It no longer applies. Hello.
flan

Wow! Are you seriously that naive? You believe there are no tyrannical govts on the planet? Did you forget about Germany? You are a librarian but yet do not take education from the annals of history? Wow. I know in your liberal La La Land that you want to believe that there is no evil in the world. But, that is simply not reality. And, govts can strong arm their populace in many ways. Right now, our govt strangles through regulation, fines and threats of jail. But, it is a quick, small step into tyranny. Our founders knew that and you should wake up the Real World which you don't seem to want to live in.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some of you also seem to be missing a big point that the founding fathers considered. They wanted an armed population to make it more difficult for a tyrannical govt to control them. Hello.
That WAS a concern hundreds of years ago. The colonies had JUST fought a revolution and were not yet established as a force to be reckoned with.
I bring up the "militia" part of the Second Amendment on nearly every "gotta have guns" thread, but for the opposite reason. It no longer applies. Hello.
flan
Wow! Are you seriously that naive? You believe there are no tyrannical govts on the planet? Did you forget about Germany? You are a librarian but yet do not take education from the annals of history? Wow. I know in your liberal La La Land that you want to believe that there is no evil in the world. But, that is simply not reality. And, govts can strong arm their populace in many ways. Right now, our govt strangles through regulation, fines and threats of jail. But, it is a quick, small step into tyranny. Our founders knew that and you should wake up the Real World which you don't seem to want to live in.

Where did I say that?

What COUNTRY does the Second Amendment apply to?

Our founders knew the TIMES that they lived in. Thank goodness there were no missiles after the Revolutionary War, or my neighbors would all own one.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, they own guns sooo are you in danger because they own guns?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She doesn't have to justify it you or anyone. Neither do i. It is our right. Maybe we think our guns are pretty. That is reason enough.

I actually agree with with you and have stated as such. I just don't understand it, that's my only point. I didn't ask anyone to justify it to me. It seems irrational to me to base this decision on something so unlikely to happen. A car accident is much more likely to happen and yet no one is giving up their car to prevent accidents from harming them or their family. The media makes crime seem much more likely to happen than it really is. The fact is, poor black males are the the most likely people to be victims of a violent crime. The least likely people - folks over the age of 65. Now if you are over 65 and you live in a high crime neighborhood or you buy drugs, your chances increase dramatically. But the average white person who lives in the burbs is very very unlikely to be the victim of a violent crime.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
But, ok, let's play. So, on the RARE occasion that i might get assualted, attacked or raped, do i have the right to defend myself with lethal force aka a gun? Yes or no? If yes, then it certainly means that i need to actually have that gun with me does it not?

That's like saying I should buy a bulldozer in case an airplane crashes in my back yard. It's so unlikely to happen that it's silly to go to that extreme, but should it happen that is what you would need. Should a plane actually crash into my backyard I would need a bulldozer to clean up the mess.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She doesn't have to justify it you or anyone. Neither do i. It is our right. Maybe we think our guns are pretty. That is reason enough.
I actually agree with with you and have stated as such. I just don't understand it, that's my only point. I didn't ask anyone to justify it to me. It seems irrational to me to base this decision on something so unlikely to happen. A car accident is much more likely to happen and yet no one is giving up their car to prevent accidents from harming them or their family. The media makes crime seem much more likely to happen than it really is. The fact is, poor black males are the the most likely people to be victims of a violent crime. The least likely people - folks over the age of 65. Now if you are over 65 and you live in a high crime neighborhood or you buy drugs, your chances increase dramatically. But the average white person who lives in the burbs is very very unlikely to be the victim of a violent crime.

OK. I don't disagree with your points and stats. I think that is true. However, bad things happen to good people at unlikely times and places. And, with the flood of illegals, many of which are indeed criminals, i think we are going to see higher rates of crime. Just my opinion. I hope to never use my gun. But, at least if my car breaks down on some isolated stretch of road at night and i have my gun, then i feel more protected. If not from a criminal, at least from a bear or bobcat or whatever.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.

Does an insurance policy kill you?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, they own guns sooo are you in danger because they own guns?

Our houses are very close together. We live in a court. They could be having an argument, start shooting and hit one of our dogs...or one of us.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.
Does an insurance policy kill you?
flan

You make NO SENSE whatsoever. My gun protects ME. If you are trying to KILL me and i kill you with my gun, how is that wrong?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, they own guns sooo are you in danger because they own guns?
Our houses are very close together. We live in a court. They could be having an argument, start shooting and hit one of our dogs...or one of us.
flan

Have they done so? Do you honestly believe that nobody around you owns a gun?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.
Does an insurance policy kill you?
flan
You make NO SENSE whatsoever. My gun protects ME. If you are trying to KILL me and i kill you with my gun, how is that wrong?

You obviously don't want to have a rational or reasoned discussion but instead want to act obtuse. So, i really can't help you.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, they own guns sooo are you in danger because they own guns?
Our houses are very close together. We live in a court. They could be having an argument, start shooting and hit one of our dogs...or one of us.
flan
Have they done so? Do you honestly believe that nobody around you owns a gun?

We have a bullet hole in our garage door. Any other questions?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.
Does an insurance policy kill you?
flan

Actually, health insurance companies can kill you when they refuse to provide treatment.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I liken it to an insurance policy. You buy an insurance policy for all kinds of potential or rare calamities. You plan to never really use it. But, I am sure you buy insurance for your house even though most homes don't burn down or have catastrophic issues.
Does an insurance policy kill you?
flan
Actually, health insurance companies can kill you when they refuse to provide treatment.

Too true!

flan