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Hi Dr. G.,

I’m not sure how to deal with my mother. A few years ago, I became an atheist, and my mother has never really accepted it. She also hates that I am vegan, and liberal, and basically the opposite of her. My parents and I used to argue every day, and they’d say horrible things (like I’m the worst person in the world, that they’re embarrassed that I’m an atheist, that I should just go to Russia if I’m an atheist, and they were also really concerned that I might be a lesbian and said horrible things about that, etc.). I used to justlaugh off her and my father’s craziness, but it’s gotten to the point where now it really stresses me out. Any kind of confrontation, or sometimes just conversation with my mom stresses me out. Just writing this stresses me out, even though I was pretty fine before I started writing it.

We went to family therapy once over a year ago, where my parents essentially just blamed everything on me, even though they explicitly said it wouldn’t be like that. I talked with the therapist one time after that alone, but nothing really came of it, and that was before I was so stressed.

Just to give you a sense of what it’s like:

We were on vacation, and we went to one of the restaurants there that was supposed to have a vegan option. I read the allergen menu to be sure, though, and I didn’t recognize like half the ingredients, so I decided not to get it. Since they complained, though, I decided that it was probably vegan and that I’d get it. I just checked the ingredient list again to see if I missed anything that was obviously non-vegan, and I noticed that it had an ingredient that I’m allergic to. I asked if that could be left out (mustard seeds), but the man told me it was prepackaged, so they couldn’t do that. I went back to my parents and told them what happened- but they were still furious! My mom actually accused me oflying about really wanting to get that dish, and said I was just looking for an excuse to not get it. They were really nasty, and I started crying (not bawling or anything, just tearing up a little, and not intentionally), and my mom got even more vicious. She was like, “Why are you crying? Do you see anybody else crying?”

And she clearly has underlying issues about my beliefs. There have been multiple instances where we’ve been talking about things, and my mom randomly finds a way to complain that I’m a vegan/atheist/liberal, even when it doesn’t have anything to do with what we’re talking about. When I’ve tried to talk to her about these underlying issues, she’s gotten really defensive and started yelling, and/or avoided the conversation. One time, she was just dismissive- “Yeah yeah, I’ll get over your beliefs.”

She screams every day at my brother about college, and has threatened to kick him out and not pay for his college. She screams at my four year old sister, and is pretty much always hostile. I’m really concerned about both of them, too. My brother has dropped subtle hints that he is not happy, and it can’t be good for a four year old to be screamed at all of the time. But whenever I confront them about this stuff, they just blow me off and dismiss what I’m saying, and say, “What else are we supposed to do?”

I really just despise my mom, honestly. If I was an adult, and could, I would’ve cut her off by now. She causes me so much stress. There have been three instances recently where I’ve been trying to study, and she just doesn’t care, and keeps screaming about whatever. One time, she randomly accused me of losing the top of a container, and I told her that I was studying and to be quiet. When she realized that my dad misplaced it, she apologized, but I basically didn’t forgive her, and told her that it bothers me that she disrupts my study sessions and then complains when I don’t get amazing grades. And then she’s like, “Oh, I see, so you don’t accept apologies.” Even after we stopped arguing, I was so upset that I couldn’t focus on my studying, and I went upstairs and cried.

I just don’t like anything about her. She’s a huge gossip too, and it just disgusts me. She supports Donald Trump, and calls me brainwashed… >.<

Anyway, after that argument with her about the container, she came upstairs later and apologized again. She said she was just cranky from work, and that she’d try to improve. She told me that she loved me a couple times, but I couldn’t bring myself to say the same to her…

I mean, she never apologized for all the attacks to me about her perception of mysexuality (they even made me meet with the principal about being in an anti-bullying club that focused mainly on LGBT+ bullying in middle school), and saying horrible things to me for being an atheist and vegan etc.. I can’t warm up to her, even though it seems like she’s been trying to be nicer recently (after the studying incident). I don’t want anything to do with her, but I’m stuck with her for a few more years until I turn eighteen.

Anyway, this was originally supposed to be mainly about the possibility of my mother having some mental health issues. Like I said, she’s nearly ALWAYS stressed out, and screams at my brother and sister every single day. She said that she was so nervous about my brother and college at work that she couldn’t even eat her lunch. And she also has crazy delusions, like that Obama made up a Thomas Jefferson quote that she doesn’t like. She's also EXTREMELY over-protective. When we used to go on walks up and down the road a few months ago, she'd make sure she could always see me. At one point, I turned back to the house to go inside because I was upset with her for her over-protectiveness, and even though the house was very very close (you could see it from where we were standing), she felt the need to watch me go inside to make sure I didn't get kidnapped.
What do you think I should do?
Thanks for reading. =)

A Distressed Teenager

Dear Teen,

I am delighted that you wrote to me. I understand why you are feeling so stressed. Your descriptions of your parents' behavior particularly your mother's behavior leads me to believe that yes your mother is dealing with some serious issues of her own. At the very least your mother is critical, demeaning and acts like a bully toward you. It does not sound like your father is able to help the family. That is a shame. Clearly, your mother has angercontrol issues and emotional regulation issues. What I mean here is that she is very emotional intense and volatile and seems to have difficulty tempering her level of emotional expression. I'm wondering if your mother has a problem with substance abuse. Does she drink and does that affect her mood and behavior? You also describe behavior that may be consistent with paranoid personality disorder including her suspicious behavior, odd accusations and the delusion that you describe. I do not,however, have enough information to determine if your mother has a mood disorder, a personality disorder or/and a substance abuse problem. She clearly has anxiety issues.

I am clear, however, that your environment is very stressful for you. We all hope for a mother who is supportive and the leader of our fan club. Unfortunately, many of us fail to receive that kind of mothering. It is a shame that family therapy was not gratifying or helpful. I recommend a few things for you. First, I understand why it is difficult for you to be forgiving and nice with your mother. I do think though that you should try your best to remain calm around your mother. I know that this may be very tough but any intensely expressed emotion on your part may make your mother angrier and provide her with more behavior to use against you. Second, is it possible for you to spend less time at home and get involved in positive activities outside of the home? Perhaps less time at home may reduce your stress level. Third, is it possible that helping your mother around the house a bit may reduce her stress and anxiety level and then result in a calmer household? Maybe you have already tried this and it may not even work but it sure is worth a try. Fourth, you should probably do your best to stay away from controversial topics around your parents. It is unlikely that they will change their views. And finally I would love to see you get some support outside of the home. You are shouldering a lot on your own. Perhaps you can speak to a guidance counselor at school or even to your family doctor and get a referral to a therapist who specializes in working with teens. The support and guidance of a good therapist who understands you and the situation that you are currently living in would be extremely helpful. None of us are an island and we all benefit from emotional support. Good luck and please get back to me.

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The LW lost me at "she supports Trump" as if that is more evidence that her Mother is crazy in LW's opinion. Perhaps LW should look at her own judgement of others.

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Of course it does!! lol

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When you take someone on vacation who is such a fragile, entitled flower that they can't even find anything satisfactory to eat, then no wonder they are irritated with her nonsense.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

When you take someone on vacation who is such a fragile, entitled flower that they can't even find anything satisfactory to eat, then no wonder they are irritated with her nonsense.


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However, the other issues of screaming all the time is a problem. And, screaming at a 4 yr old is just stupid so you might be an angry beitch. If that is the case, there isn't much she can do. Just bide your time, help around the house and try to stay positive. You can't change anyone but yourself. And, mom doesn't have to accept all of your opinions or ideas. Part of growing up is understanding that. Time to grow up a little.

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Mom is one angry biotch no doubt.

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The LW is a teenager.

Did it say how old she is?

Look. If you want to be vegan, fine. That's your cross to carry. Want to be atheist? Ok. But until you are 18 and supporting yourself, you be respectful to your parents.

Mom probably is angry.

I'd get angry, too, if my kids acted like ungrateful brats.

I can understand an actual allergy and think those should be taken seriously.



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sounds to me like she's 15

 



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ed11563 wrote:

sounds to me like she's 15

 


 Or 16.

Teen years are hard enough without having to deal with an unstable parent. And it sounds like her father is no help either. From her letter, she sounds like an articulate & sensitive young lady.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

The LW lost me at "she supports Trump" as if that is more evidence that her Mother is crazy in LW's opinion. Perhaps LW should look at her own judgement of others.


 Who is the "adult" in this scenario?

The LW is a teen, trying to establish her own identity.

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Shes an idiot.

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Ohfour wrote:

Shes an idiot.


 Yes, the MOTHER is.

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No.

The child.

And her parents are not doing her any favors by allowing her to continue her attitude.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

No.

The child.

And her parents are not doing her any favors by allowing her to continue her attitude.


 No.

The mother.

Should they beat her?

The mother constantly screams at all her children. The daughter does not do drugs, is not pregnant, is still in school. How terrible.

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The child is disrespectful and is "embarrassed" by her paren't political leanings?

Boo hoo princess!

Life sucks, sometimes.

And sometimes the only real problem is in your head.



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The child is disrespectful and is "embarrassed" by her paren't political leanings?

Boo hoo princess!

Life sucks, sometimes.

And sometimes the only real problem is in your head.


It;s unreasonable to focus on only the politics when the real problem is the constant screaming and insults from the mother. 

 



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The child is disrespectful and is "embarrassed" by her paren't political leanings?

Boo hoo princess!

Life sucks, sometimes.

And sometimes the only real problem is in your head.


It;s unreasonable to focus on only the politics when the real problem is the constant screaming and insults from the mother. 

 


 The child is SO very "disrespectful" to have panic attacks because of her mother's uncontrolled anger.

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She's probably not embarrassed by her mom's political leanings as much as she's embarrassed by how she rants and raves like a loon about them. This mother seems to do everything in extremes.

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She's probably not embarrassed by her mom's political leanings as much as she's embarrassed by how she rants and raves like a loon about them. This mother seems to do everything in extremes.


 It takes a lot of energy to maintain that level of anger.

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flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

She's probably not embarrassed by her mom's political leanings as much as she's embarrassed by how she rants and raves like a loon about them. This mother seems to do everything in extremes.


 It takes a lot of energy to maintain that level of anger.

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 Yes it does.  I lived with a mother like this.  It sucks the life blood out of you.  I can understand both parties.  It does sound like this girl about 16.  If, at 16, she wants to be a vegan then the parents should cut her some leeway in that.  Quit making fun of her and pick a place she can eat too.  OTOH, the girl is not making it easier.  She needs to learn to just accept the apology whether well meant or not.  As far as politics she's just going to have to bear with it.  Both of them need to do some changing.  The mom sounds like a total nut though.



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

She's probably not embarrassed by her mom's political leanings as much as she's embarrassed by how she rants and raves like a loon about them. This mother seems to do everything in extremes.


 It takes a lot of energy to maintain that level of anger.

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 Yes it does.  I lived with a mother like this.  It sucks the life blood out of you.  I can understand both parties.  It does sound like this girl about 16.  If, at 16, she wants to be a vegan then the parents should cut her some leeway in that.  Quit making fun of her and pick a place she can eat too.  OTOH, the girl is not making it easier.  She needs to learn to just accept the apology whether well meant or not.  As far as politics she's just going to have to bear with it.  Both of them need to do some changing.  The mom sounds like a total nut though.


 Good point.

At 16, the daughter may be "trying on" various lifestyles. Her vegan habits may not last.

But, the mom is certainly not setting a good example for ANY of her children.

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

No.

The child.

And her parents are not doing her any favors by allowing her to continue her attitude.


 No.

The mother.

Should they beat her?

The mother constantly screams at all her children. The daughter does not do drugs, is not pregnant, is still in school. How terrible.

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 Verbal abuse can have worse long time effects than physical abuse.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

No.

The child.

And her parents are not doing her any favors by allowing her to continue her attitude.


 No.

The mother.

Should they beat her?

The mother constantly screams at all her children. The daughter does not do drugs, is not pregnant, is still in school. How terrible.

flan


 Verbal abuse can have worse long time effects than physical abuse.


 Of course it can, and it DOES.

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Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.

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FNW wrote:

Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.


 Being a vegan is a "huge mistake?" AGAIN, she is not wanting tattoos or piercings or shoplifting or doing drugs.

The mother doesn't "see" anything, frankly. She just chooses to go through life screaming.

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Maybe she should just kill herself now rather than face a life as a Liberal.

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Maybe she should just kill herself now rather than face a life as a Liberal.

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   Well, I am sure you and the Left would rush right in and fight for her to get Assisted Suicide.



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flan327 wrote:

Maybe she should just kill herself now rather than face a life as a Liberal.

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   Well, I am sure you and the Left would rush right in and fight for her to get Assisted Suicide.


 Wrong again, DQ.

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flan327 wrote:
FNW wrote:

Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.


 Being a vegan is a "huge mistake?" AGAIN, she is not wanting tattoos or piercings or shoplifting or doing drugs.

The mother doesn't "see" anything, frankly. She just chooses to go through life screaming.

flan


 Yes, for a developing teenager, it's a horrid mistake.  It is very difficult to get the right levels of nutrition as a vegan and as a teenager, it is quite doubtful she is mature enough or has the resources or knowledge to obtain the right balance of nutrients as a vegan.  Especially if her parents are not on board with it and don't shop with that in mind.  



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Mom obviously has anger issues and needs to learn to deal better with her stress. On the other hand, teenagers need to respect their parents while they live in their homes. Maybe Mom is just fed up to high heaven with being disrespected in her own home.

And FTR - my child will attend church and will eat a balanced diet while living in my home. No teen child of mine will be allowed to be a vegan - it's not a healthy enough life style for a developing body.



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Vegan, schmegan, this girl sounds like she has been a picky eater all her life and now is hiding under the guise of "vegan" and her mother is sick of it. My guess is she might have an eating disorder which her parents are upset about.

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Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.


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Mom obviously has anger issues and needs to learn to deal better with her stress. On the other hand, teenagers need to respect their parents while they live in their homes. Maybe Mom is just fed up to high heaven with being disrespected in her own home.

And FTR - my child will attend church and will eat a balanced diet while living in my home. No teen child of mine will be allowed to be a vegan - it's not a healthy enough life style for a developing body.


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Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.


LMAO!  That last sentence is going into the HoF thread. 


 Because it's SO mature to mock anything but the approved yuppie lifestyle?

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HAHAHA. Who says I was mocking her? This is the lifestyle she seems to want, the polar opposite she was brought up with, so move out and live how you want. But under mom's roof, when you adopt beliefs and acquire taste buds contrary to what mom believes and cooks, expect conflict and don't whine about it.

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Typical teenage angst. Okay, so both are embarrassed by each other's leanings. Mother is fed up. But she could stand to use some anger management techniques. Perhaps a course (or 3) in emotional intelligence. It's hard when watching someone you love make huge mistakes in her life. Which is how the mother sees it.

Soon, hopefully the LW will put on her Birkenstocks and traipse off to Berkeley, become a follower of Ching Hai, and slap a "gender is dead" bumper sticker on her Prius.


LMAO!  That last sentence is going into the HoF thread. 


 Because it's SO mature to mock anything but the approved yuppie lifestyle?

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In all honesty, everything the girl says she stands for now will change when she grows up. Most people start out liberal. And then they grow up...

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In all honesty, everything the girl says she stands for now will change when she grows up. Most people start out liberal. And then they grow up...


 Yep.  Even my brother came back from college and was a card-carrying Sierra Club member.  He has since seen the error of his ways....It really surprised my mom when I told her he is and votes Republican.  But she was smart enough (and valued her relationship with him) not to pry into his beliefs.  This woman would be better off if she did the same, once her daughter becomes an adult.

 



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Lexxy wrote:
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In all honesty, everything the girl says she stands for now will change when she grows up. Most people start out liberal. And then they grow up...


I gave money to Greenpeace & adopted a whale.   


LOL Lex!!!!!  That is awesome!!!!! 



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In all honesty, everything the girl says she stands for now will change when she grows up. Most people start out liberal. And then they grow up...


I gave money to Greenpeace & adopted a whale.   


LOL Lex!!!!!  That is awesome!!!!! 


I'd just as soon shoot them (Greenpeace not whales)  out of the water now!



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How's that whale doing?

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How's that whale doing?


LOL, probably dead by now.  I have no clue what the life span of a whale is but that was close to 30 years ago.

Or if you believe like some of my friends did there never was a whale.  I was just helping some high level guy in Greenpeace afford his Porsche with a whale tail. 



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I think being a vegan is very hard on anyone. You really have to be educated as to the diet. And it probably isn't the best diet for a teenager. That being said the mom is not going to win that battle. Food is one thing you absolutely do not want to make a battle ground. Especially for a teenager. It will turn into an eating disorder very quickly.

My sister announced at the age of four that she would no longer eat meat. My mom indulged her. Now as an adult she has become a total vegan. When she was pregnant with her twins the doctor wanted to hospitalize her for malnutrition. She wouldn't change her diet even then.

Truth of the matter is that whether the girl is bratty about her diet or not, or whether she's allergic or not, twenty years from now we'll be getting a Dear Whoever letter from this mother wondering why her kids never come around or bring her grand kids around.

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I often cook vegan. It's not hard once you get the hang of it and if you know how to balance nutrition, it can be just fine.

Vegan is not using animal products, at all, and whole ingredients.

Basically, if it had a mouth, you don't eat it and you eat nothing if you can't pronounce it and see what it is.

But that's not the issue with the OP.

The LW is obviously a teenager.

Yes, teens should have some say in their diet.

But they are still minors and still their parents responsibility.

If mom has a kid in college, a teen and a 4 year old, I have to wonder if there is a hormone imbalance causing the anger issues.

And dad is probably just trying to keep peace.

But no, I don't really feel a whole lot of sympathy for the teen.

It's typical to butt heads with your parents. And if the LW is just one more straw on the stack of issues, well, your diet and religious choices are fairly unimportant.

Observe allergies, of course.

But don't be an ass.

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Being vegan means no animal products - and that means nothing made with any milk, eggs, butter, gelatin, animal by-products, cheese, fish oil, etc. in additional to actual meat, poultry and fish products.

That is not easy to do when you are not in control of the shopping and cooking. And it is even more difficult for a picky eater that won't eat all vegetables, legumes, beans, etc.

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I think I'd rather die than eat vegan.

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I'm calling BS on her "mustard seed" allergy. What mom would want their child to eat something they were allergic to.



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Lexxy wrote:

I think I'd rather die than eat vegan.


 Yeah.  Pretty much.  I don't know how my sister does it.  Her husband is a normal eater.  I don't know what she ate when she was in France.  They like good food.  Not the crap she eats.

The mom is just pushing the daughter farther and farther away.  As a teenager the more you tell your kids not to do something the more they want to do it.  I don't think the mom should just give in to her every whim.  But she needs to quit making fun of the daughter and telling her things like she needs to go live in Russia.  The mom has definite anger issues she needs to address pronto.  And the daughter needs to be more respectful and understand that it's her parent's house and their rules.

Honestly, if the worst thing your child grows into is a Democratic Prius driving vegan you've done pretty good as a parent.  There are kids from all sorts of really good homes that turn into drug addicts, rapists, murderers, and many other things.  So yeah, the other seems pretty minor compared to that.



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