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.S. investigators on Tuesday were digging into what motivated a Florida man to slaughter 49 people at a gay nightclub, including evidence that he had become absorbed in militant Islamist ideas and reports he might have been gay himself, but not openly so.

Omar Mateen, who was shot dead by police after a three-hour standoff early on Sunday, left behind a tangled trail of possible motives. He also called police during his rampage to voice allegiance to various militant Islamist groups.

Federal investigators have said Mateen was likely self-radicalized and there is no evidence that he received any instruction or aid from outside groups such as Islamic State. Mateen, 29, was a U.S. citizen, born in New York of Afghan immigrant parents.

"We currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando," President Barack Obama told reporters after a meeting of the National Security Council. "He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, unstable young man who became radicalized."

One official familiar with the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said investigators are only beginning to delve into the contents of Mateen's cellphone and other electronic devices. The source said they believe Mateen browsed militant Islamic material on the internet for two years or more before the Orlando shootings.

Mateen's wife attempted to talk him out of the attack, NBC News reported on Tuesday, citing officials familiar with her comments to the FBI.

The attack on the Pulse nightclub in the central Florida city was the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, and the worst attack on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Soon after the attack, Mateen's father indicated that his son had harbored strong anti-gay feelings. He recounted an incident when his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in downtown Miami while out with his wife and young son.

 

'I'M DEAD'

Angel Colon, who was in Pulse with friends at the time of Mateen's attack, described hearing gunfire and falling to the floor, shot in the left leg.

"I couldn't walk at all," Colon told a news conference at Orlando Regional Medical Center, where he is one of 27 survivors being treated. "All I could do was lay down. People were running over me."

Colon said he had a hopeful moment when Mateen went into a bathroom - where he later took hostages - but the gunman then emerged, systematically making his way through the club shooting people who were already down, apparently to ensure they were dead.

"I look over and he shoots the girl next to me and I was just there laying down and thinking, 'I'm next, I'm dead," Colon said.

Mateen shot him twice more, one bullet apparently aimed for Colon's head striking his hand, and another hitting his hip, Colon recalled.

"I had no reaction, I was just prepared to stay there laying down so he wouldn't know I was alive," Colon said. When police drove Mateen back into a restroom, an officer dragged Colon to safety, he said.

The investigation into the possibility that Mateen, who worked as a security guard at a gated retirement community, may have been gay follows media reports citing men who said they were regulars at the club and saw Mateen there before the attack. However, other sources who spoke with Reuters disputed the idea that Mateen was a regular visitor to Pulse.

Visiting a gay club in and of itself would say nothing about Mateen's sexuality, as he could have a variety of reasons for such a visit.

 

MARTYRDOM MOTIVE?

The two U.S. officials, both of whom have been briefed regularly on the investigation and requested anonymity to discuss it, said that if it emerged that Mateen led a secret double life or had gay impulses that conflicted with his religious beliefs, it might have been what the same official called "one factor" in explaining his motive.

"It's far too early to be definitive, and some leads inevitably don't pan out, but we have to consider at least the possibility that he might have sought martyrdom partly to gain absolution for what he believed were his grave sins," one of the officials said.

The official noted that the concept of martyrdom is not confined to Islam, as Christians also venerate martyrs who died for their beliefs.

A performer at Orlando's Parliament House, another gay club, said he had seen Mateen at Pulse occasionally before his rampage, often accompanied by a male friend. He had not seen Mateen in about two years, he said.

"He was fine most of the time but other times, if he was drinking, he'd go all spastic and we'd have to take him out to his car and make him leave," said the performer, Ty Smith, who uses the stage name Aries.

A spokeswoman for Pulse's owner, Barbara Poma, denied that Mateen had ever been a patron.

"Untrue and totally ridiculous," spokeswoman Sara Brady said in an e-mail when asked about the claim.

Mateen's father, Seddique Mateen, told reporters gathered outside his home Tuesday morning that his son had never mentioned being homosexual.

"I don't believe he was a whatever you call it," the elder Mateen said.

 

SUPPORT FOR MILITANT GROUPS

During his rampage, Mateen made a series of calls to emergency 911 dispatchers in which he pledged loyalty to the leader of Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, whose organization controls large swaths of Iraq and Syria.

He also claimed solidarity in those calls with the ethnic Chechen brothers who carried out the deadly 2013 Boston Marathon bombing and with a Palestinian-American who became a suicide bomber in Syria for the al Qaeda offshoot known as the Nusra Front, authorities said.

Mateen's name was listed on an unclassified federal database for nearly a year between 2013 and 2014 after he allegedly told co-workers of possible sympathies he had with militants overseas, three federal officials familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

He was removed from this so-called selectee list after the FBI completed a nine- or 10-month investigation and concluded he had no connections with known terrorist groups, two of the officials said. One added that investigators concluded that Mateen, who at times claimed ties to groups that are fighting one another, may have been a "fantasist."

Islamic State and the Nusra Front are at odds in Syria's civil war, while al Qaeda and Hezbollah are also bitter enemies.

Islamic State reiterated on Monday a claim of responsibility, although it offered no signs to indicate coordination with the gunman.

Comey said the FBI closed its earlier investigation of Mateen after 10 months, convinced that his assertions of extremist ties were intended to "freak out" co-workers who he said were harassing him for being a Muslim.

Removal of Mateen from the FBI's watch list at that time permitted him to buy firearms without the FBI being notified, Comey said.

The Orlando killings came six months after the massacre of 14 people in San Bernardino, California, by a married couple professing Islamist militant ideologies, raising questions about what the United States can do to detect such attackers before they strike.

 

 

(Additional reporting by John Walcott in Washington and Mark Hosenball in Zurich, Barbara Liston in Orlando, Yara Bayoumy in Fort Pierce, Florida, and Zachary Fagenson in Port St. Lucie, Florida; Writing by Steve Gorman and Scott Malone; Editing by Frances Kerry and Bill Trott)

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-idUSKCN0Z017C



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Oh what could the MOTIVATION be!! I mean, we just don't know!! Do they and Obama really want to keep insulting our intelligence? Keep pretending.

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Now they are spinning this by implying this was a gay man struggling with his orientation. Yeah, ok.

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There will be lots of rumors flying around. I read that he got upset when his young son saw 2 men kissing and he had to explain why.

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Now they are spinning this by implying this was a gay man struggling with his orientation. Yeah, ok.


 Oh, well, then if he was gay, then I guess that makes it ok.  Gays killing gays then must not bother them just like blacks killing blacks in Chicago isn't anything they care about either.



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Why are you so worried that this might not be ISIS? weird...

I have heard from several different sources that the shooter was seen in the nightclub more than a dozen times previously.
He was escorted out by bouncers a couple of times and once pulled a knife on a friend.

I'll wait to see these reports confirmed, something that cannot be done with the ISIS claims obviously.

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There will be lots of rumors flying around. I read that he got upset when his young son saw 2 men kissing and he had to explain why.

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 ahhh... just figured it out.

There are people who desperately want this to be the work of ISIS and not just another crazed American with a mass killing machine.



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Hmm whatever could it be?

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Apparently the shooters ex wife has said she felt he was struggling with being gay.
Perhaps he was angry at being rejected and not fitting in. ISIS was a smoke screen to cover his actions, his father hated gays.....

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Apparently the shooters ex wife has said she felt he was struggling with being gay.
Perhaps he was angry at being rejected and not fitting in. ISIS was a smoke screen to cover his actions, his father hated gays.....


 OK just ignore all that pesky 911 pledge to Isis.  Nothing to see here!  



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Apparently the shooters ex wife has said she felt he was struggling with being gay.
Perhaps he was angry at being rejected and not fitting in. ISIS was a smoke screen to cover his actions, his father hated gays.....


 His father hated gays.  So, oh yeah, i am gay so think i will go kill me some gays!



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apple wrote:

Apparently the shooters ex wife has said she felt he was struggling with being gay.
Perhaps he was angry at being rejected and not fitting in. ISIS was a smoke screen to cover his actions, his father hated gays.....


 His father hated gays.  So, oh yeah, i am gay so think i will go kill me some gays!


 He was obviously unhinged. Most mass shooters are doncha think? Jeeeze 

 

I know its important for you to aim your hate at ISIS but I'm not convinced that it was ISIS at all.



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I am "aiming my hate at Isis"? Wow.

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I am "aiming my hate at Isis"? Wow.


 Yes its easier than laying blame on the deranged American shooter.



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I think you are in deep.

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I have never seen so many including a Pres in absolute denial of reality. Neville Chamberlains all of you who refuse to see what is.

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He wanted to be "accepted" by ISIS, that's pretty clear.

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He wanted to be "accepted" by ISIS, that's pretty clear.

flan


 Indeed, it bodes to his sanity or lack thereof.

 



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I have never seen so many including a Pres in absolute denial of reality. Neville Chamberlains all of you who refuse to see what is.


Chamberlain got a bum rap.

He appeased Hitler, because after WWI, Germany went on a program of rapid military growth, building war ships , tanks, fighter planes and bombers,

while England did not.

So, recognizing that if war started at that point, the British Navy would be wiped out, Chamberlain worked for time to turn that around.



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Your denial is and will continue to have real world consequence. By the time u wake up it might be too late.

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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.

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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?



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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Your denial is and will continue to have real world consequence. By the time u wake up it might be too late.


 Who? Me?

 



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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


Boko Haram, Haqqani Network, Hezbollah... 



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apple wrote:
FNW wrote:

Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?



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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 Who called in to 9/11 and claimed to be under the influence of ISIS.

 



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Yer just an Isis Hater Lilly. They mean well.

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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 Sure.  Somehow that keeps your liberal LaLa land intact.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:

Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 Sure.  Somehow that keeps your liberal LaLa land intact.


 I do understand why you want this to be ISIS. Its pretty easy to understand as you're not all that complicated. lol



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Yer just an Isis Hater Lilly. They mean well.


 I'll wear a sign if you want me to.



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We arent the ones "wanting" anything. He called 911. The facts are the facts. Interesting how you think this is "lol" worthy.

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It doesn't matter if it was a direct order from the big daddy leader or just the misplaced leanings of a crazy man.

He said he was doing it for ISIS.



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Uh huh.

Perhaps he was doing it for Satan.

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Something is wrong with your thinking.

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Uh huh.

Perhaps he was doing it for Satan.


 Most assuredly, Satan was behind it.

Seeking who he can destroy.



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Atheism and Islam. Both false religions.

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Atheism and Islam. Both false religions.


 I can't even...confuse

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Gay rights and Islam cant coexist. Your choice. By not choosing you choose to let Islam slaughter.

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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 I'll take his word for it over yours. Seems kinda stupid to take your word over his. You have no idea what was in his head. We have his own words...

Typical liberal excuses.



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He told his wife he wanted to carry out jihad. Hello. Quack quack

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Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
apple wrote:
FNW wrote:

Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 I'll take his word for it over yours. Seems kinda stupid to take your word over his. You have no idea what was in his head. We have his own words...

Typical liberal excuses.


 He didn't want his father to know he was gay, obviously, what better way to avoid this and placate dad than declaring ISIS was behind this. Are you really so invested in this being ISIS that you refuse to look at another possibility?

 



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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 I'll take his word for it over yours. Seems kinda stupid to take your word over his. You have no idea what was in his head. We have his own words...

Typical liberal excuses.


 He didn't want his father to know he was gay, obviously, what better way to avoid this and placate dad than declaring ISIS was behind this. Are you really so invested in this being ISIS that you refuse to look at another possibility?

 


 Just going by his words, and not your supposition.  



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Apple, why are you so adamant that it isn't ISIS?

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Because it upsets their world.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

Apple, why are you so adamant that it isn't ISIS?


 Because it doesn't further her agenda. Simply pathetic. 

ISIS isnt so bad, don't ya know!!!!!



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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


 ISIS has a monopoly on radical Islamic beliefs?  Really?  Wow.  I can't even comprehend the ignorance in that statement.



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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


WHAT?????  That's just a ridiculous comment.

All radical Islamists are not ISIS.  The Taliban for one.   


 It can't be just one or the other. lmao... how about just a crazed disenfranchised, sexually confused crazy man?


 Sure.  Somehow that keeps your liberal LaLa land intact.


 I do understand why you want this to be ISIS. Its pretty easy to understand as you're not all that complicated. lol


 Nobody WANTS Isis on American soil.  But the shooter self admitted to doing it for ISIS.  Whether he was a member or simply a wannabe - that puts the blame squarely on radical Islam.  

 

Are you Muslim, apple?



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apple wrote:
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Whether it was ISIS or not, it was radical Islam at its finest.


 That makes no sense...

 

If it was not ISIS how could it be radical Islam?


 ISIS has a monopoly on radical Islamic beliefs?  Really?  Wow.  I can't even comprehend the ignorance in that statement.


 Right? 

Point made. Ignorance at it's finest. 



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